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I'm not. If Nate had that roster, he would have been fired first.
 
I'm not sure Nate is a good coach. I know that Scott is not.

I feel that Nate doesn't deserve to get fired as long as the team keeps winning, irrespective of the doubts that I may harbor about him. And he's won enough lately that even if the team had had a slow start the franchise should give him some time to turn it around.

Ed O.
 
Not at all. In fact, I am considering taking down my A+ Sig and Avvy because I like how Nate has been letting Andre call plays.

Nate is scoring points with me again.
 
I don't know if any of you watched the real nba training camps on NBATV, but when I watched that, Scott came across to me as a class A fuckhead. He would talk junk to his own players, and then bet them like 5k or 10k that they couldn't hit so many shots from the 3 point line in so much time, and then when they failed, deride them for a while. It was like he thought he was still a player, talking junk and stuff.
 
Dante_Cunningham said:
Not at all. In fact, I am considering taking down my A+ Sig and Avvy because I like how Nate has been letting Andre call plays.

Nate is scoring points with me again.
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you must rid yourself of that avatar NOW! :ohno:
 
Mediocre Man said:
I'm not. If Nate had that roster, he would have been fired first.
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Is their roster really that bad. They have 3 players on the roster that have been multiple allstars. A guy with 2 NBA Championship rings. A former #2 selection in the draft at center, the best point guard in the league. They have consolidated their roster. (Which apparently is huge in this forum) They have both youth and vets. Seems like they have it all. Except a good coach.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Is their roster really that bad. They have 3 players on the roster that have been multiple allstars. A guy with 2 NBA Championship rings. A former #2 selection in the draft at center, the best point guard in the league. They have consolidated their roster. (Which apparently is huge in this forum) They have both youth and vets. Seems like they have it all. Except a good coach.
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Ha ha ha ha that is a good one. 2 NBA championship rings? I take it you are referring to Posey? I think Devin Brown also has one too from his San Antonio days. That is almost like expecting a team to be competitive if they had picked up Bill Wennington from the Bulls or something. Hilarious. Peja is a shadow of himself. David West took some Zbo pills and quite playing defense, running the court, and started bitching at the refs instead of ballin hard. Emeka Okafor tries hard one game, then disappears.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Is their roster really that bad. They have 3 players on the roster that have been multiple allstars. A guy with 2 NBA Championship rings. A former #2 selection in the draft at center, the best point guard in the league. They have consolidated their roster. (Which apparently is huge in this forum) They have both youth and vets. Seems like they have it all. Except a good coach.
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Well, we'll see. I certainly expect them to be better than a .333 team.

Ed O.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Is their roster really that bad. They have 3 players on the roster that have been multiple allstars. A guy with 2 NBA Championship rings. A former #2 selection in the draft at center, the best point guard in the league. They have consolidated their roster. (Which apparently is huge in this forum) They have both youth and vets. Seems like they have it all. Except a good coach.
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Ya, that shitty coach who took a team to the NBA finals twice, and another team to the Western Conference semi finals.

A shitty coach who has a .498 winning %. The same as Nate

A shitty coach who left a team better than he found it. All he has dealt with is injuries. Those are the only reasons he has been fired.


And LOL at consolidating. They had a fire sale.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Ya, that shitty coach who took a team to the NBA finals twice, and another team to the Western Conference semi finals.

A shitty coach who has a .498 winning %. The same as Nate

A shitty coach who left a team better than he found it. All he has dealt with is injuries. Those are the only reasons he has been fired.
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Scott's problem was never the X's and the O's - but his teams always seem to turn him out. Happened in NJ (Kidd basically had a palace coup there) - and seems like it happened in NOH.

Something tells me that it is not going to magically get better somewhere else. PJ Carlisimo had the same issues before - and despite going to the Pop school of coach/player relationships - did not seem to really connect with his guys at OKC.
 
hasoos said:
Ha ha ha ha that is a good one. 2 NBA championship rings? I take it you are referring to Posey? I think Devin Brown also has one too from his San Antonio days. That is almost like expecting a team to be competitive if they had picked up Bill Wennington from the Bulls or something. Hilarious. Peja is a shadow of himself. David West took some Zbo pills and quite playing defense, running the court, and started bitching at the refs instead of ballin hard. Emeka Okafor tries hard one game, then disappears.
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When did David West ever play D and NOT bitch at the REFS.

Yes my comments were tongue in cheek. Most of it was to point out how stupid it is consolidate a roster by getting rid of quality role players in favor of a few seasoned vets that won't worry about playing time. You have to keep the pipe line filled.
 
When did N.O. have a firesale?
 
To the OP's question, Nate's tuned a corner. It's a baby corner, but he's showing adaptability and improvement.

If he were to come out tomorrow with some garbage like "Blakey and Joel are our starters, b/c we won 54 games last year, and I don't want Oden to be any part of the offense", well...you make the call.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I'm not. If Nate had that roster, he would have been fired first.
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Hey, if posting were a career, you would have been fired last season!

j/k. I thought it was funny, but j/k just the same. :tongue:
 
It's amazing that Nate does what he should have been doing in the first place, years ago (ie. Hand over control to point, better rotations),
and all of a sudden he's a genius.

He's riding the coattails of this teams talent. He's had Less involvment lately and the team is playing better.
Coincidence?
 
WillG said:
It's amazing that Nate does what he should have been doing in the first place, years ago (ie. Hand over control to point, better rotations),
and all of a sudden he's a genius.

He's riding the coattails of this teams talent. He's had Less involvment lately and the team is playing better.
Coincidence?
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Nate finally has a PG he trusts enough to hand control over to and five games into the season he did. Coincidence? Given that we've had an extremely young and inexperienced team and PG's who have often been underwhelming, I disagree that this is what Nate should have been doing all along.

And FYI, the first time the word genius was used in this thread was in your post.
 
WillG said:
It's amazing that Nate does what he should have been doing in the first place, years ago (ie. Hand over control to point, better rotations),
and all of a sudden he's a genius.

He's riding the coattails of this teams talent. He's had Less involvment lately and the team is playing better.
Coincidence?
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Years ago? SO you would have preferred he just throw him out there and let Bayless run the show from day 1? Who did he have to throw out there and trust?
 
Well, more minutes for Bayless to develop alongside the other youngsters would have been nice, but
I meant that he's now handed over the majority of the play-calling to the point on the floor, instead of calling them from the bench.
They've always seemed to sell Blake as a veteran guy they could trust, when justifying his starter role - so why didn't Nate trust him with the play calling before?
 
Ed O said:
I'm not sure Nate is a good coach.
Ed O.
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The guy has won 10 more games each season he has been here. He was picked to be an Olympic coach. His players, especially his best player, respect and play hard for him.

I just don't see how people can say he's a bad coach. The facts say otherwise.
 
So years ago means last year? Handing over the reins of a playoff team to Bayless. Good idea. Who needs playoff experience, we can be like a farm team, and just continue developing people.
 
Stevenson said:
The guy has won 10 more games each season he has been here. He was picked to be an Olympic coach. His players, especially his best player, respect and play hard for him.

I just don't see how people can say he's a bad coach. The facts say otherwise.
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How'd he do in Seattle again? I think he was ok, but not particularly good.

And do you REALLY think that any old coach wouldn't have won more and more games because of the improvement of the roster?

Those things don't point to him being a bad coach, but I don't see them as great evidence of him being good.

Ed O.
 
Stevenson said:
The guy has won 10 more games each season he has been here. He was picked to be an Olympic coach. His players, especially his best player, respect and play hard for him.

I just don't see how people can say he's a bad coach. The facts say otherwise.
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So if Nate doesn't win 10 more games this season is he a bad coach? PJ Carelsimo was also an assistant coach for the olympics. (dream team actually). Kudos to you though for talking to Roy and him telling you he respects Nate.


Joe Torre was fired as manager of the Cardinals in 1995 with a record of 20-27. The following year he was hired by the Yankees and won the World Series. Did he all of a sudden become a better coach? He had a .605 winning % in NY, but only has a .552 winning % in LA. Has he become a worse coach?

I mean it couldn't have anything to do with the talent that the coach is given could it?


Did Phil Jackson become a worse coach when Jordan took two years off, or was the talent he had on the roster the primary reason for his success?
 
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