Politics Defunding the Portland Police Dept.

[e_blazer]

There's an article up on OLive about what folks who want to defund the Portland Police are seeking:

“What I would like to see is everyone taking an active role in creating safety for everyone, and that’s something that we collectively have to do as a society, not just relying on state institutions to keep us safe,” said Babatunde Azubuike, an organizer with Freedom To Thrive. The Portland group works to end “punishment-based criminal and immigration systems,” and pushes for divestment from law enforcement and prisons.


Azubuike and other abolitionists contend that crimes regulated by the current criminal justice system are often rooted in unmet needs, such as poverty, trauma and lack of healthcare.


Abolitionists say those factors result in disproportionate policing and criminalization of black people and other underserved communities.

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/202...e-the-local-abolition-movement-explained.html

So, while the devil is always in the details, I'm just curious how folks on this board feel about the proposals.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Honestly, I would like a combination of 3 and 4.

 

[e_blazer]

Honestly, I would like a combination of 3 and 4.

Yeah, I agree. I think 3 is pretty much a given as a minimum.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yeah, I agree. I think 3 is pretty much a given as a minimum.

Hence the votes so far.

Good poll Q.

 

[CupWizier]

Yeah, I agree. I think 3 is pretty much a given as a minimum.

I see 3 as the only realistic option. The others will only likely create problems.

 

[Hoopguru]

There's an article up on OLive about what folks who want to defund the Portland Police are seeking:



https://www.oregonlive.com/news/202...e-the-local-abolition-movement-explained.html

So, while the devil is always in the details, I'm just curious how folks on this board feel about the proposals.

To me in an open society each State/City need's to have a Police/Peace Force that is well trained with community oversight participation. It need to be a joint effort or community and police.
The Mayors and Politicians/Unions have prevented imo, a better way to address each community. A progressive State, and City such as Portland should have paved the way for this years ago but politics gets in the way.
Personally I think there is huge room for improvement but I also believe policing has improved from the 50/60's too.
Im not thrilled about what I see in the six blocks of Seattle and would never want or tolerate that in my six blocks.

 

[Chris Craig]

3 for sure.

I see El Prez voted - 1 vote for abolish the police

My issue with #2 is I think it has to be less about turning over functions and more about improving the liason between the police and social services. Severely restrict? What restrictions are we talking about. Severely?

Not sure about #4. If one policy doesn't work everywhere maybe it's not a good policy. Based on community makeup means basing it on race right. Isn't #4 part of the problem right now.

And #5 is not an option. We can't leave things as they are.

 

[Propagandist]

We need a cultural seachange. Changing the rules will accomplish little to nothing.

 

[e_blazer]

3 for sure.

I see El Prez voted - 1 vote for abolish the police

My issue with #2 is I think it has to be less about turning over functions and more about improving the liason between the police and social services. Severely restrict? What restrictions are we talking about. Severely?

Not sure about #4. If one policy doesn't work everywhere maybe it's not a good policy. Based on community makeup means basing it on race right. Isn't #4 part of the problem right now.

And #5 is not an option. We can't leave things as they are.

My thought in posting #4 was that I think that there's going to be a ton of blow-back by predominantly white areas of town about getting rid of policing in their neighborhoods. I listed it as an option more as a spit-balling kind of thing. I'm not in favor of it in general, but maybe someone can come up with something that makes sense as to how areas of town that feel threatened by the police could be dealt with differently than areas that feel more secure with police presence.

 

[Chris Craig]

My thought in posting #4 was that I think that there's going to be a ton of blow-back by predominantly white areas of town about getting rid of policing in their neighborhoods. I listed it as an option more as a spit-balling kind of thing. I'm not in favor of it in general, but maybe someone can come up with something that makes sense as to how areas of town that feel threatened by the police could be dealt with differently than areas that feel more secure with police presence.

The issue with that is, if a Black man is treated one way in his community, goes to another community and is treated another way...that is the cause of many of our current problems.

 

[Hoopguru]

This type of casual conduct should be dealt with severely.
92-year-old woman speaks out after being randomly attacked ...abc7ny.com › 92-year-old-woman-randomly-attacked-i...

 

[Orion Bailey]

3 for sure.

I see El Prez voted - 1 vote for abolish the police

My issue with #2 is I think it has to be less about turning over functions and more about improving the liason between the police and social services. Severely restrict? What restrictions are we talking about. Severely?

Not sure about #4. If one policy doesn't work everywhere maybe it's not a good policy. Based on community makeup means basing it on race right. Isn't #4 part of the problem right now.

And #5 is not an option. We can't leave things as they are.

The issue with that is, if a Black man is treated one way in his community, goes to another community and is treated another way...that is the cause of many of our current problems.

Just like in education though, different communities and regions may require different things. Maybe this community is ridden with more crime, so it needs a policing of day, 60% armed and 40% community service oriented policing.

But maybe this community is low in crime and only needs 30% armed policing and the rest for community servicing(visiting schools and giving educational speeches, etc)

I personally don't believe there is one answer that fits all and that's part of the problem is we think there is and inevitable leaves certain people behind because the "universal" answer dosnt work for them.

 

[barfo]

I voted #2. A lot of situations call for an unarmed intervention. Whether you classify these unarmed people as cops or not doesn't matter to me.

Right now we always send people with guns, which makes a lot of situations worse rather than better.

barfo

 

[Chris Craig]

This type of casual conduct should be dealt with severely.
92-year-old woman speaks out after being randomly attacked ...abc7ny.com › 92-year-old-woman-randomly-attacked-i...

That is terrible. So uncalled for

 

[e_blazer]

The issue with that is, if a Black man is treated one way in his community, goes to another community and is treated another way...that is the cause of many of our current problems.

As I was envisioning it, #3 would apply everywhere and would, in theory, take care of equal treatment of citizens regardless of race. In #4, I was more thinking along the lines of specific functional things that might be operated differently in certain neighborhoods. Maybe officers walk a beat, and/or there is a predominance of Black officers. Maybe in those neighborhoods there is an emphasis on social services/mental health experts handling certain types of calls. Maybe there are different policies on how certain things are handled, such as cases like Atlanta where a guy isn't causing any particular problem, he's allowed to go home after being ticketed and his car impounded. It just seems to me that neither the status quo nor the disband/defund option is going to be acceptable in all parts of town.

 

[Chris Craig]

Officers definitely need to be retrained. More training in conflict resolution and mental illness.

All uses of force need to be reviewed by an independent source, not by the police department they work for. A source outside of the police. If the cops know they that they are being held accountable by a source outside the department, and not being shielded by fellow brothers in blue, maybe they will be less likely to use force.

Body cameras on 24/7

 

[Minstrel]

2, 3 and 4. This should be multiple choice.

 

[Hoopguru]

That is terrible. So uncalled for

amazed me at how casual he was about. And he was on a public sidewalk.

 

[Hoopguru]

That is terrible. So uncalled for

In Oregon that would be a second degree assault. The fact the lady was elderly should be 1st degree assualt.

The reason this irks me is as a society many young people have no respect especially for Elders. This is a classic example.
When there are no fathers in the home and kids run wild and are not taught some basic respect and discipline this is what you get.

 

[CupWizier]

The issue with that is, if a Black man is treated one way in his community, goes to another community and is treated another way...that is the cause of many of our current problems.

People should all be treated equally. You can't have different rules for different races.

 

[Orion Bailey]

People should all be treated equally. You can't have different rules for different races.

I agree all laws and should be equal. I do think that funding structures should not be universal though.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Make cops have to take out malpractice/liability insurance.

 

[Chris Craig]

People should all be treated equally. You can't have different rules for different races.

That is what I am saying

 

[RR7]

Make cops have to take out malpractice/liability insurance.

That's actually a good idea, because the ones with a shitty track record wouldn't be able to get insurance, and thus couldn't work.

I also think any lawsuit against the police should come out of their budgets. Might make some departments think twice about keeping on shitty police.

 

[CupWizier]

That is what I am saying

yeah, I was agreeing with you.

 

[CupWizier]

Make cops have to take out malpractice/liability insurance.

and how much would this insurance cost? I imagine the premiums woulfd need to be fairly high and thus you would have to raise their salary as well. It works with doctors because they are compensated very well.

 

[Orion Bailey]

and how much would this insurance cost? I imagine the premiums woulfd need to be fairly high and thus you would have to raise their salary as well. It works with doctors because they are compensated very well.

If we do a complete restructuring, good cops should be compensated similarly to doctors, in my opinion.

 

[e_blazer]

Make cops have to take out malpractice/liability insurance.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If we do a complete restructuring, good cops should be compensated similarly to doctors, in my opinion.

Then they better have a hell of a lot more than 6 months of training.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Then they better have a hell of a lot more than 6 months of training.

of course. Training should also be similar to that of a phd.