Politics Defunding the Portland Police Dept.

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Are you more in favor of:

  • 1. Abolishing the Portland Police entirely.

    Votes: 4 16.0%

  • 2. Severely restrict the Portland Police and turning some functions over to social services.

    Votes: 6 24.0%

  • 3. Restrict use of deadly force, retrain, and get rid of bad cops.

    Votes: 14 56.0%

  • 4. Have different policies for different neighborhoods based on community makeup.

    Votes: 1 4.0%

  • 5. Leave things pretty much as is.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    25

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SlyPokerDog said:
Average Portland police salary is $45k-$92k.
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The average Psychologist - Ph. D salary in Oregon is $102,784 as of April 27, 2020, but the range typically falls between $92,481 and $115,431.




Your high is my low.
 
Average salary of 200K for police officers?
 
RR7 said:
I also think any lawsuit against the police should come out of their budgets. Might make some departments think twice about keeping on shitty police.
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Agreed. If defending a racist and violent cop in court costs a department a second rocket-launcher, they may start weighing how much they want to protect crappy cops.
 
Orion Bailey said:
https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/physician-generalist-salary/or


Keep in mind, if done correctly, we should need much less, qualified police.

I believe its about quality. Not quantity.
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e_blazer said:
Have they ever been fun-ded? Maybe that's their problem.
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I think at least a few get their jollies being racist and sexist scumbags.

Remember this from years ago?

https://www.wweek.com/news/2016/04/...nson-was-killed-by-portland-police-at-age-31/

Portlanders were outraged. That fury grew when, on the day of Stevenson's funeral, two white officers, Paul Wickersham and Richard Montee, sold T-shirts to fellow cops. The shirts showed a smoking handgun and the words "Don't Choke 'Em, Smoke 'Em."


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It's interesting that Portland and the police had this very same debate over choke holds 30 years ago.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I think at least a few get their jollies being racist and sexist scumbags.

Remember this from years ago?

https://www.wweek.com/news/2016/04/...nson-was-killed-by-portland-police-at-age-31/

Portlanders were outraged. That fury grew when, on the day of Stevenson's funeral, two white officers, Paul Wickersham and Richard Montee, sold T-shirts to fellow cops. The shirts showed a smoking handgun and the words "Don't Choke 'Em, Smoke 'Em."


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It's interesting that Portland and the police had this very same debate over choke holds 30 years ago.
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I do think policing has improved from the 50's and 60's. Some reform has happened since then but not enough.
Im not convinced you will ever be able to reform Chicago without reforming the crooked politics.
 
Hoopguru said:
I do think policing has improved from the 50's and 60's. Some reform has happened since then but not enough.
Im not convinced you will ever be able to reform Chicago without reforming the crooked politics.
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With 24/7 news and crazy internet, most anything anymore you hear about cops is negative. And we should hear about bad cops murdering and abusing people, but honestly we don't hear much, or see much, about the good deeds they do either. and they have come to the rescue many times in most communities.
 
Training to become a police officer should be no less than a year. It's insane how much schooling someone has to go through to become a nurse, but six months and they're certified to carry a gun and dole out justice.

They need to completely change how they're assessing candidates. They need stronger personality tests. They need to have them meet with a panel of civilians. They need to weed out the crazies.

They neeeeeeeeed to cut down on the stupid revenuing. It only strengthens the "us vs them" mentality.
 
Natebishop3 said:
They neeeeeeeeed to cut down on the stupid revenuing. It only strengthens the "us vs them" mentality.
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Yes, that for sure. If you must give out traffic tickets, you can do it without contact now, just have gatsos taking pictures and mailing tickets. No need to pull drivers over or involve the police for anything but actual dangerous behavior.

barfo
 
If we're "defunding" something wouldn't it have had to have been fun to begin with?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Training to become a police officer should be no less than a year. It's insane how much schooling someone has to go through to become a nurse, but six months and they're certified to carry a gun and dole out justice.
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All other professions to which we compare police training require the potential applicant to pay for their own education. If we're attempting to compare, are we suggesting that potential applicants for police positions should have to pay for that retaining as well? Would we have private, independent police training centers much like we have private nursing schools? Or should this year-plus police training all be on the taxpayer dime?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
All other professions to which we compare police training require the potential applicant to pay for their own education. If we're attempting to compare, are we suggesting that potential applicants for police positions should have to pay for that retaining as well? Would we have private, independent police training centers much like we have private nursing schools? Or should this year-plus police training all be on the taxpayer dime?
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They pay for it and then get reimbursed if they prove to be a successful officer. More incentive to weed out those who are looking to get into it for disingenuous reasons.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
All other professions to which we compare police training require the potential applicant to pay for their own education. If we're attempting to compare, are we suggesting that potential applicants for police positions should have to pay for that retaining as well? Would we have private, independent police training centers much like we have private nursing schools? Or should this year-plus police training all be on the taxpayer dime?
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EMTs have to do it. Nurses have to do it. Even fire fighters have to do it. I don't know why we don't make police have to get training on their own dime before they can even apply to be a police officer. It should be a certification through an accredited program and then another six months in the state school to make doubly sure.

But I still maintain that our justice system as a whole is rotten to the core. It's not just the police. This is a much larger problem than the enforcement side of law and order.
 
The system of policing needs a reform, as its currently a property security force with a quota system for the private prison system and city revenue coffers. The police union is not a union in the sense of other labor unions, and has devolved into a protection racket. The complete infiltration of police by white supremicists has rendered the force as it currently stands untenable from a personnel standpoint. The military surplus equipment purchased by the police dehumanize officers and remove moral barriers to brutality.

My solution involves a restructuring of crime and punishment definitions, an abolishment of the private prison system, a defunding and redistribution of city and county funds away from police to social services, intense training requirements for officers, a police force that must live in the neighborhoods it patrols. No military surplus can be allowed on the force, and the Geneva Conventions for use of force must be the bare minimum standards of engagement. Police should be the backup for the social services that take their place in most situations, and should not be able to engage without an okay from the service person placed in charge of the incident. The police budget can be no more than the mean average of all civic social services that replace them. They are one service among many now.
 
SportsAndWhine said:
The system of policing needs a reform, as its currently a property security force with a quota system for the private prison system and city revenue coffers. The police union is not a union in the sense of other labor unions, and has devolved into a protection racket. The complete infiltration of police by white supremicists has rendered the force as it currently stands untenable from a personnel standpoint. The military surplus equipment purchased by the police dehumanize officers and remove moral barriers to brutality.

My solution involves a restructuring of crime and punishment definitions, an abolishment of the private prison system, a defunding and redistribution of city and county funds away from police to social services, intense training requirements for officers, a police force that must live in the neighborhoods it patrols. No military surplus can be allowed on the force, and the Geneva Conventions for use of force must be the bare minimum standards of engagement. Police should be the backup for the social services that take their place in most situations, and should not be able to engage without an okay from the service person placed in charge of the incident. The police budget can be no more than the mean average of all civic social services that replace them. They are one service among many now.
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I agree with most all of this.
Great post Whiner. :)
 
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