OT Derek Chauvin, 45, is found guilty on ALL three charges

[beast blazer]

Jesus you're a piece of work

The facts are often times contrary to mob opinion, and after the incident, any push back against the murder narrative was verbotten. In this case the media had a hand in shaping public opinion. And I've found most people are not capable of seeing around that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

No evidence drug overdose was main cause of death for George Floyd in 2020
By Reuters Fact Check
November 8, 202211:27 AM PSTUpdated a year ago
Social media users are reviving a claim that George Floyd, a 46-year-old Black man killed in May 2020 actually died due to a drug overdose. These claims are misleading, as official medical and court records ruled that police restraint, not drug use, was the main cause of death and evidence does not support the claim that Floyd had lethal levels of drugs in his system.

One Twitter user sharing the claim said, “George Floyd died of fentanyl overdose. Derek Chauvin should be freed” (here). A Facebook user repeated the claim, adding that “We had entire buildings burned to the ground over a junkie OD'ing” (here).

https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...death-for-george-floyd-in-2020-idUSL1N3241XJ/

 

[Phatguysrule]

1. George Floyd had 5x the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.

Not according to expert testimony.

Fentanyl level not fatal

Blood tests conducted as part of Floyd's post-mortem autopsy revealed 11 nanograms per milliliter, or ng/ml, of fentanyl present. According to expert witnesses, this wasn't enough to be considered fatal

Dr. Daniel Isenschmid, a toxicologist at NMS Labs in Pennsylvania, presented data at trial from more than 2,300 blood samples in fentanyl DUI cases from the last year. He showed that while the average fentanyl blood level was close to 9.6 ng/ml, a quarter of people tested had 11 ng/ml or higher. (Important to note: Blood samples were taken from drivers who tested positive for fentanyl and were alive at the time of collection.)

Isenschmid also showed that Floyd's blood ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl, the molecule fentanyl is broken down to once in the body, was lower than the average ratio both for people who died of overdoses and those arrested for DUI who lived.

Overdose victims who die rarely have norfentanyl in their blood, since death often occurs before the body can break the drug down, he said.

Isenschmid's testimony was supported by pulmonologist and critical care specialist Dr. Martin Tobin of Loyola University Medical Center.

"Mr. Floyd died from a low level of oxygen, and this caused damage to his brain that we see. And it also caused a PEA (pulseless electrical activity) arrhythmia that caused his heart to stop," he told the court. He explained Floyd's body position on the street, handcuffs pulling his arms back and a knee on his neck, back and sides, led to his low oxygen levels.

"All of these four forces are ultimately going to result in the low tidal volume, which gives you the shallow breaths" that can't effectively bring oxygen into the lungs, Tobin said.

He stated because fentanyl typically slows down a person's breathing, the drug was not a contributing factor based on his calculations of Floyd's breathing rate based on witness video, which at the time appeared about the same as a healthy individual.

2. There have been prior incidents around the country, of people being accidently killed, while under heavy drug influence, in that position.

Then there should probably be more murder convictions.

3. MPD trained their officers to use such a hold.

Police training must change. They need to deescalate first. There was no reason at all to physically detain Floyd. He was not a threat to anybody.

4. The officers had George Floyd in the vehicle, but he asked to be held on the ground.

He shouldn't have been in the vehicle. He should have been standing next to it, if anything.

5. According to the autopsy, he was not killed by the knee on his neck.

See above. He was killed by lack of oxygen, not due to fentanyl. According to expert medical testimony.

6. Jurors were intimidated against returning a verdict other than not guilty

Or they just listened to the evidence and made the logical decision.

I watched the full video of the officers interaction with Floyd, and based on the facts above, can 100% say there should have been no murder conviction.

You can make arguments about manslaughter, with Chauvin being neglegent in some ways, but this was an example of mob justice. And the way the media and every major corporation protrayed it as a lynching, I think it was intended to start civil unrest.

But anway, nevermind me, go back to cheering for his shanking...

Disagree 100%

I don't want police treating nonviolent citizens that way. I don't want individual police having the authority of laying their hands on anybody for any reason other than that person has harmed somebody or is in the process of attempting to harm somebody.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The claim: The cause of George Floyd's death was a drug overdose
Following weeks of testimony in a closely watched case, a 12-member jury found former Minneapolis police Officer Derek Chauvin guilty on all counts in the death of George Floyd, a 46-year old Black man who died while being restrained by Chauvin in police custody last May.

As Americans flooded the streets to mark the verdict, misinformation erupted on social media.

Despite video evidence of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes, a viral social media post claims Floyd's death was the result of a drug overdose.

"Derek Chauvin is not responsible for George Floyd's drug overdose," reads a screenshot of a tweet shared to Instagram on April 20 with more than 5,000 likes.

In the photo's caption, the user added other misleading claims such as: Floyd had COVID-19; had no injuries to his neck, muscles, esophagus trachea or brain; he went into cardiac arrest from drug overdose; and his lungs were three times normal size, "indicative of opiate overdose."

Similar versions of the claim have been shared across other platforms. One Facebook page wrote on April 20, "Science says Floyd died of an overdose & also says he wasn't suffocated."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-autopsy-ruled-his-death-homicide/7317557002/

 

[RR7]

Should I believe facts? Or Candace owens and Kanye?

 

[beast blazer]

George was very intoxicated, and yes, the levels of fentanyl in his blood stream was at a level known to be lethal. It was probably the hold in combination that killed him.

The neck hold is something officers have been trained to use, including the Minneapolis PD. (there are training manuals that prove this. It's normally not a lethal move except for in those who are intoxicated. You can see a video of officers accidently killing a many named Tony Timpa in the same way in 2016. If Tony Timpa had been black, we may have had BLM riots in 2016, but because his skin color happened to be white, it wasn't a national scene.

They had Floyd in the car, but couldn't control him. He kept asking over and over to be held on the ground. So they put him in a hold called "maximal restraint technique". Something they were trained to do, and call an ambulance 30 seconds after getting him on the ground.

It unfortuneatly took 30 minutes to showup.

Derek Chauvin should have gotten him up sooner in hindsight....but murder? You can't possibly make a rational argument that this was murder.

 

[beast blazer]

The claim: The cause of George Floyd's death was a drug overdose
Following weeks of testimony in a closely watched case, a 12-member jury found former Minneapolis police Officer Derek Chauvin guilty on all counts in the death of George Floyd, a 46-year old Black man who died while being restrained by Chauvin in police custody last May.

As Americans flooded the streets to mark the verdict, misinformation erupted on social media.

Despite video evidence of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes, a viral social media post claims Floyd's death was the result of a drug overdose.

"Derek Chauvin is not responsible for George Floyd's drug overdose," reads a screenshot of a tweet shared to Instagram on April 20 with more than 5,000 likes.

In the photo's caption, the user added other misleading claims such as: Floyd had COVID-19; had no injuries to his neck, muscles, esophagus trachea or brain; he went into cardiac arrest from drug overdose; and his lungs were three times normal size, "indicative of opiate overdose."

Similar versions of the claim have been shared across other platforms. One Facebook page wrote on April 20, "Science says Floyd died of an overdose & also says he wasn't suffocated."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-autopsy-ruled-his-death-homicide/7317557002/

That comes from the autopsy performed by the county Medical Examiner 12 hours after his death, Dr. Andrew Baker. He found no evidence that the knee had caused damage or asphixiation.

Floyd had extreme hyper tension, 75% of one of his arteries was blocked, he had high levels of Meth and Fentanyl in his system, mixed in with the stress and exertion of the arrest.....really bad combinations.

 

[beast blazer]

Another fact: MRT was in fact taught to Minnapolis police officers. There is ample documentation to prove it, plus the testimony of many officers. The police chief lied on stand to cover his ass. The documents proving otherwise were not allowed in court.

 

[Chris Craig]

Another fact: MRT was in fact taught to Minnapolis police officers. There is ample documentation to prove it, plus the testimony of many officers. The police chief lied on stand to cover his ass. The documents proving otherwise were not allowed in court.



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Nothing safe about it. It should never have been used and was not meant to be used the way Chauvin used it. Look at the two pictures. One shows it being used with the knee resting in the head and back, without full weight. Chauvin has his knee buried in Floyd's neck with full weight, taking Floyd's ability to breathe away.

 

[Phatguysrule]

George was very intoxicated, and yes, the levels of fentanyl in his blood stream was at a level known to be lethal. It was probably the hold in combination that killed him.

The neck hold is something officers have been trained to use, including the Minneapolis PD. (there are training manuals that prove this. It's normally not a lethal move except for in those who are intoxicated. You can see a video of officers accidently killing a many named Tony Timpa in the same way in 2016. If Tony Timpa had been black, we may have had BLM riots in 2016, but because his skin color happened to be white, it wasn't a national scene.

They had Floyd in the car, but couldn't control him. He kept asking over and over to be held on the ground. So they put him in a hold called "maximal restraint technique". Something they were trained to do, and call an ambulance 30 seconds after getting him on the ground.

It unfortuneatly took 30 minutes to showup.

Derek Chauvin should have gotten him up sooner in hindsight....but murder? You can't possibly make a rational argument that this was murder.

Makes total sense.

This guy is struggling to breath in this car. Quick, let's call the ambulance and put him on the ground with the entire body weight of a grown man on his back and shoulders.

Yep. Sounds like murder.

 

[beast blazer]

Nothing safe about it. It should never have been used and was not meant to be used the way Chauvin used it. Look at the two pictures. One shows it being used with the knee resting in the head and back, without full weight. Chauvin has his knee buried in Floyd's neck with full weight, taking Floyd's ability to breathe away.

It was not using his full weight. The fact that you can see both of Chauivn's feet on the ground prove that wrong. Also there was no damage to Floyd's neck, not even brusing. Also the angle from the body cam makes it look more like his knee was on his shoulder blade area. If you're really being choked you pass out in seconds.

I'm not making any argument as to if the technique is good or not. I'm just stating the fact that officers were trained to use it. It doesn't cause death unless there are other issues.

Based on how much meth and fentanyl was in his system, coupled with Floyd's heart issues and exertion, it's unknown how much role that hold played at all. Let alone Chauvin INTENDING to kill Floyd.

This whole thing is a sham.

 

[beast blazer]

Why was this angle not allowed in court? Seems like a very corrupt trial to me. Allow in all the evidence.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It was not using his full weight. The fact that you can see both of Chauivn's feet on the ground prove that wrong. Also there was no damage to Floyd's neck, not even brusing. Also the angle from the body cam makes it look more like his knee was on his shoulder blade area. If you're really being choked you pass out in seconds.

I'm not making any argument as to if the technique is good or not. I'm just stating the fact that officers were trained to use it. It doesn't cause death unless there are other issues.

Based on how much meth and fentanyl was in his system, coupled with Floyd's heart issues and exertion, it's unknown how much role that hold played at all. Let alone Chauvin INTENDING to kill Floyd.

This whole thing is a sham.

It was enough weight to kill him. People have issues, so police shouldn't be physically forcing them to do anything unless they are an actual threat.

The police made the decision to put this non-threatening individual in a situation that killed him, forno reason other than to act tough.

Absolutely unnecessary.

Murder. Keep your hands off people.

 

[beast blazer]

It was enough weight to kill him. People have issues, so police shouldn't be physically forcing them to do anything unless they are an actual threat.

The police made the decision to put this non-threatening individual in a situation that killed him, forno reason other than to act tough.

Absolutely unnecessary.

Murder. Keep your hands off people.

Nope.
1. It's unknown if the hold contributed to his death. It was not, according to the autopsy.
2. Wether or not it contributed, there is still the issue of intent, which is needed for a murder charge.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Nope.
1. It's unknown if the hold contributed to his death. It was not, according to the autopsy.
2. Wether or not it contributed, there is still the issue of intent, which is needed for a murder charge.

It is known. Expert testimony was that the hold contributed.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...e-floyd-not-enough-to-cause-death/7239448002/

Isenschmid's testimony was supported by pulmonologist and critical care specialist Dr. Martin Tobin of Loyola University Medical Center.

"Mr. Floyd died from a low level of oxygen, and this caused damage to his brain that we see. And it also caused a PEA (pulseless electrical activity) arrhythmia that caused his heart to stop," he told the court. He explained Floyd's body position on the street, handcuffs pulling his arms back and a knee on his neck, back and sides, led to his low oxygen levels.

"All of these four forces are ultimately going to result in the low tidal volume, which gives you the shallow breaths" that can't effectively bring oxygen into the lungs, Tobin said.

And I don't care if it was specifically murder. Dude needs to spend a ton of time in jail. He plead guilty to depriving Floyd of his constitutional rights, causing his death, as well as depriving a 14 year old his constitutional rights, causing injury.

Not acceptable. At all.

Let that be a lesson to all asshole cops.

Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

 

[beast blazer]

That's not the way our justice system is supposed to work. "I don't care if he's guilty of murder, convict him anyway because I don't like what happened." Everyone also has a constitutional right to a fair trial by an unbiased jury (not one who is intimidated by a mob, not a trial were crucial evidence is not allowed.

A person in George's state could have easily OD'd by taking that amount of drugs plus exerting themselves in any way. Again, the autopsy showed no sign of damage to neck or asphixiation.

Yet the narrative out of the bat was "racist cop murders black man in cold blood".

So Floyd asks to be held on the ground. The officers do so and immediately call an ambulance, then at some point say, "forget this, let's just kill him on video". To say the intent to murder was proven is absurd.

 

[THE HCP]

So I’m making a list just cause….. want to make sure I know who to tell my kids to stay away from.

People who…..
Voted and support Trump
Don’t believe in Global Warming
Thinks guns are the best
Believe women shouldn’t have a choice on abortion…..
Believe COVID was a hoax by the liberals
Think Trump and his crew had nothing to do with Jan. 6
….are usually also Beaver fans.

 

[beast blazer]

This was a good write up by a Doctor who was called on by the family to examine the case. He gives a rational argument for why Floyd did not die of a fentanyl overdose, and neither was it simply due to Chauvin's knee, but rather it was the combined weight of officers on his back for so long, it was a slow suffocation. I can buy this argument, they were on so long after he was limp. I think perhaps in some kind of ego match with the crowd.

But this would be a manslaughter charge of some kind, but then you'd have to get past the fact that they were trained to do this (through probably not for so long). Still don't think it was intentional or that so much evidence should not have been admitted.

The officers were convicted before they stepped into the court-room.

The bigger story of this situation is why so many politicians and the media used this to incite violence and racial division. One of the arresting officers was black, but this was hidden because of the racial narrative they wanted to promote.

https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com/p/george-floyd-did-not-die-of-a-fentanyl?utm_source=/search/%22george%20floyd%22&utm_medium=reader2

 

[beast blazer]

So I’m making a list just cause….. want to make sure I know who to tell my kids to stay away from.

People who…..
Voted and support Trump
Don’t believe in Global Warming
Thinks guns are the best
Believe women shouldn’t have a choice on abortion…..
Believe COVID was a hoax by the liberals
Think Trump and his crew had nothing to do with Jan. 6
….are usually also Beaver fans.

Wrong, I'm a Duck fan. But I don't dislike the Beavers.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This was a good write up by a Doctor who was called on by the family to examine the case. He gives a rational argument for why Floyd did not die of a fentanyl overdose, and neither was it simply due to Chauvin's knee, but rather it was the combined weight of officers on his back for so long, it was a slow suffocation. I can buy this argument, they were on so long after he was limp. I think perhaps in some kind of ego match with the crowd.

But this would be a manslaughter charge of some kind, but then you'd have to get past the fact that they were trained to do this (through probably not for so long). Still don't think it was intentional or that so much evidence should not have been admitted.

The officers were convicted before they stepped into the court-room.

The bigger story of this situation is why so many politicians and the media used this to incite violence and racial division. One of the arresting officers was black, but this was hidden because of the racial narrative they wanted to promote.

https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com/p/george-floyd-did-not-die-of-a-fentanyl?utm_source=/search/%22george%20floyd%22&utm_medium=reader2

Kory testified twice to the U.S. Senate regarding COVID-19. During his testimony in December 2020, Kory erroneously claimed that the antiparasitic medication ivermectin was a "wonder drug" with "miraculous effectiveness" against COVID-19.

 

[beast blazer]

Kory testified twice to the U.S. Senate regarding COVID-19. During his testimony in December 2020, Kory erroneously claimed that the antiparasitic medication ivermectin was a "wonder drug" with "miraculous effectiveness" against COVID-19.

It wasn't erroneous. It, as well as Hydroxyclorquin were effective, which why they were censored. They didn't want an alternative to the vaccine, or anything that might reduce their death numbers.

If these banned early treatments weren't effective, can you explain to me why Dr. Tyson and Dr. Fareed had 0 deaths and a 100% recovery rate on the 7,000+ patients they treated? No you can't, because you're ignorant. You believe whatever the TV tells you. You need to grow up.

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I don't know if you read my post, or even his article very carefully, because he was refuting the idea that Floyd died of Fentanyl. But you chose to bring up this, just to argue.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That's not the way our justice system is supposed to work. "I don't care if he's guilty of murder, convict him anyway because I don't like what happened."

That's not what I said. I said I didn't care if hewas found guilty of specifically murder. Then I told you what he plead guilty to.

Everyone also has a constitutional right to a fair trial by an unbiased jury (not one who is intimidated by a mob, not a trial were crucial evidence is not allowed.

A person in George's state could have easily OD'd by taking that amount of drugs plus exerting themselves in any way. Again, the autopsy showed no sign of damage to neck or asphixiation.

Yet the narrative out of the bat was "racist cop murders black man in cold blood".

So Floyd asks to be held on the ground. The officers do so and immediately call an ambulance, then at some point say, "forget this, let's just kill him on video". To say the intent to murder was proven is absurd.

That's not accurate according to expert medical testimony. The amount of drugs in Floyd's system were not consistent with an overdose, and accompanying chemicals that are typically present during an overdose were not present in Floyd's system.

The amount of drugs in Floyd's system was about average compared to your typical DUI.

It's all in the link I shared above.

Chauvin also plead guilty to doing the same thing to a 14 year old, causing injury.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It wasn't erroneous. It, as well as Hydroxyclorquin were effective, which why they were censored. They didn't want an alternative to the vaccine, or anything that might reduce their death numbers.

If these banned early treatments weren't effective, can you explain to me why Dr. Tyson and Dr. Fareed had 0 deaths and a 100% recovery rate on the 7,000+ patients they treated? No you can't, because you're ignorant. You believe whatever the TV tells you. You need to grow up.

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I don't know if you read my post, or even his article very carefully, because he was refuting the idea that Floyd died of Fentanyl. But you chose to bring up this, just to argue.

No, they were not effective.

Yes, I looked up who wrote the article. Maybe you should have too.

 

[beast blazer]

That's not what I said. I said I didn't care if hewas found guilty of specifically murder. Then I told you what he plead guilty to.


That's not accurate according to expert medical testimony. The amount of drugs in Floyd's system were not consistent with an overdose, and accompanying chemicals that are typically present during an overdose were not present in Floyd's system.

The amount of drugs in Floyd's system was about average compared to your typical DUI.

It's all in the link I shared above.

Chauvin also plead guilty to doing the same thing to a 14 year old, causing injury.

I'll concede that they were in the wrong to some degree. There should have been some attempt to put him in a recovery position when he was going limp.

I don't like how the narrative was immediately created that it was a racist white cop murdering a black man that was spewed out from everywhere immediately after. The riots were clearly intentionally sparked and encouraged.

 

[beast blazer]

No, they were not effective.

Yes, I looked up who wrote the article. Maybe you should have too.

You are painfully unintelligent.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I'll concede that they were in the wrong to some degree. There should have been some attempt to put him in a recovery position when he was going limp.

I don't like how the narrative was immediately created that it was a racist white cop murdering a black man that was spewed out from everywhere immediately after. The riots were clearly intentionally sparked and encouraged.

Police should be trained to deescalate, regardless of race, unless there is a crime in process, and then they should only get physical when necessary to prevent the perp from harming somebody.

If they hurt people they should be held accountable.

 

[RR7]

You are painfully unintelligent.

L.O.L.

 

[beast blazer]

Police should be trained to deescalate, regardless of race, unless there is a crime in process, and then they should only get physical when necessary to prevent the perp from harming somebody.

If they hurt people they should be held accountable.

MRT wasn't meant to escalate, it's a move they make prior to calling for medical help when they can't control someone. They tried for 30 minutes to get him into the car.

And on the topic of "accountability", there's also the issue, that we have jobs in our society, that are very necessary, but will result in serious death/injury if the person performing them makes a mistake, or even simply in the line of duty (wrestling with a criminal). If we start sending these people to prison for every mistake, who will do those jobs? Minneapolis has lost about a 3rd of it's force now.

Mistakes in the medical field is one of the leading causes of death in the US, but we don't send them to prison.

 

[Phatguysrule]

MRT wasn't meant to escalate, it's a move they make prior to calling for medical help when they can't control someone. They tried for 30 minutes to get him into the car.

And on the topic of "accountability", there's also the issue, that we have jobs in our society, that are very necessary, but will result in serious death/injury if the person performing them makes a mistake, or even simply in the line of duty (wrestling with a criminal). If we start sending these people to prison for every mistake, who will do those jobs? Minneapolis has lost about a 3rd of it's force now.

Mistakes in the medical field is one of the leading causes of death in the US, but we don't send them to prison.

People who would make the mistake Chauvin made should not be police officers.

That lesson will not be learned unless we punish the people who make those mistakes in a manner to match the severity of the result of their actions.

Chauvin should never have been a cop.

 

[Kano John]

So I’m making a list just cause….. want to make sure I know who to tell my kids to stay away from.

People who…..
Voted and support Trump
Don’t believe in Global Warming
Thinks guns are the best
Believe women shouldn’t have a choice on abortion…..
Believe COVID was a hoax by the liberals
Think Trump and his crew had nothing to do with Jan. 6
….are usually also Beaver fans.

I was with you until the Beaver fan dig - c'mon man!