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Jade Falcon said:
Again.....I'm quite confident our military got what mattered. They aren't perfect, but they're the best in the world.
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I wasn't criticizing our military, lol. I know we're the best.

How do you know this was a military and not a political response?

The military likes to deal with objectives and results. I imagine our generals had a much more comprehensive plan.

Did our attack destroy where the chemical weapons were made?

No.

Did our attack destroy or kill the person or persons who ordered the attack?

No.

Did our attack do anything to prevent the future use of chemicals against Syrians?

No.

We attacked where the chemicals were launched from.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Does it feel like we're missing something here to anyone else?

Assad had a pretty good thing going, Russia is on his side, the US is focused on taking out some of his enemies. Having two of the world's superpowers in your country, one helping you, the other not fucking with you, seems like the absolute best case scenario when having a large scale protracted civil war.

Then suddenly he decides to drop some chemical weapons? It's pretty much the one thing that would cause us to react. His generals work with Russian generals daily. He waits for them to leave the room and then calls for a chem drop? That doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense.

And then our response. We don't target Assad. We don't target any of his generals. We target the airbase where the chemical attack was launched from. We actually call the Russians and tell them where and when we're going to attack. The president himself said multiple times announcing our military plans in advance is a terrible strategy but this is exactly what we do.

Just not sure that Assad launched a chemical attack without Russia's knowledge and approval.

And that's the problem.

Why? Why now? Why provoke us into a reaction?

Seems like Russia is playing chess while we're claiming to be the world's greatest checkers players.
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Agree, at the very least, this was a play by Putin to test Trump. Call it a scouting mission.

Right now, Putin is two moves ahead in this chess game, and reading our game plan.

As far as Assad goes, he runs his country in way that builds his personal wealth. For him, this is about power and money, not about the quality of life for his countryman. He will do what ever it takes to keep his billions, and get more. His tyranny started in 1982 in the town of Hama.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
SO MAKE SOME FUCKING PLANS. You think any of those other countries that are taking them in (Turkey, for example, has taken in literally MILLIONS) have great plans? This is just like when the US turned away Jews fleeing the holocaust.

Refugees: "Help us! We're dying!"
US: "Sorry, this is a lifeboat and it's ours. Find your own lifeboat"
Refugees: "Lifeboat? This is a massive luxury ocean liner and you're using about 1/10th of the cabins!"
US: "You say potato, we say potato. Now fuck off back where you came from. Now you've dissed us we might bomb you, too."
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1/10th of those cabins can go to help the millions living in poverty here in the US.

But you obviously don't care about THEM. Remind me who's the selfish one here?

Rastapopoulos said:
Ah, misplaced confidence. The true mark of the Trump voter.
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LMAO. Right. And rioting, breaking the law, and being conflicted about your genitals are hallmarks of a Hillary voter.
 
oldfisherman said:
Agree, at the very least, this was a play by Putin to test Trump. Call it a scouting mission.

Right now, Putin is two moves ahead in this chess game, and reading our game plan.

As far as Assad goes, he runs his country in way that builds his personal wealth. For him, this is about power and money, not about the quality of life for his countryman. He will do what ever it takes to keep his billions, and get more. His tyranny started in 1982 in the town of Hama.
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You get it.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You live inside Donald Trump's head? It must be a scary place.
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Nope. I can clearly see the intent of this action. A single attack, missiles only, targeting a single airbase, the specific airbase used to launch chemical weapons attacks against their own civilians.

Yesterday, they could have launched further attacks against civilians from that base. Today, they can't.
 
BlazerWookee said:
Nope. I can clearly see the intent of this action. A single attack, missiles only, targeting a single airbase, the specific airbase used to launch chemical weapons attacks against their own civilians.

Yesterday, they could have launched further attacks against civilians from that base. Today, they can't.
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And today they could launch chemical attacks from 20 of their remaining airbases.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I wasn't criticizing our military, lol. I know we're the best.

How do you know this was a military and not a political response?

The military likes to deal with objectives and results. I imagine our generals had a much more comprehensive plan.

Did our attack destroy where the chemical weapons were made?

No.

Did our attack destroy or kill the person or persons who ordered the attack?

No.

Did our attack do anything to prevent the future use of chemicals against Syrians?

No.

We attacked where the chemicals were launched from.
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I agree to a point that this was political, but when it comes down to it, they used military intelligence to strike what they thought were the best targets to achieve the best results.

How do you know they didn't strike a chemical weapons depot? 60 missiles for a single airbase....I'm willing to bet that airbase was pretty goddamn big. Plenty big enough to hold a weapons depot.
 
Jade Falcon said:
I agree to a point that this was political, but when it comes down to it, they used military intelligence to strike what they thought were the best targets to achieve the best results.

How do you know they didn't strike a chemical weapons depot? 60 missiles for a single airbase....I'm willing to bet that airbase was pretty goddamn big. Plenty big enough to hold a weapons depot.
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Would you put all of your chemical weapons in one place?

I mean I've read enough of your posts to make a pretty safe and logical assumption that you don't keep all of your guns in one place. I'm sure you have a few stashed around the old apartment in different places. Nightstand? Gun safe? Behind the cream rinse in the shower? Even if you did store all of them in one place it would be a giant fail of logic on my part to assume that is the case.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Would you put all of your chemical weapons in one place?

I mean I've read enough of your posts to make a pretty safe and logical assumption that you don't keep all of your guns in one place. I'm sure you have a few stashed around the old apartment in different places. Nightstand? Gun safe? Behind the cream rinse in the shower? Even if you did store all of them in one place it would be a giant fail of logic on my part to assume that is the case.
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Forgive me....I didn't mean to suggest that they got ALL of them. I'm quite certain that there are many other chemical weapons in Syria. I'm simply saying "how do you know they didn't get a weapons depot on that airbase?"

Oh....and there's a blunderbuss behind my bathroom door. But tell no-one.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Seems like there are some members of congress (in Trump's own party) who disagree:
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Congress had its say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without a Congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.
 
Let's say that North Korea launches a nuclear missile at Japan. (and for argument sakes we shot it down before detonating, no lives lost.)

And some of you are actually arguing that our military's response would be and should be to attack the empty missile silo it was launched out of?

Not remove Kim from the face of the earth.

Not destroy where the nukes were made.

Not destroy other missile silos.

Just bomb the empty one.

Because that will show them!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Let's say that North Korea launches a nuclear missile at Japan. (and for argument sakes we shot it down before detonating, no lives lost.)

And some of you are actually arguing that our military's response would be and should be to attack the empty missile silo it was launched out of?

Not remove Kim from the face of the earth.

Not destroy where the nukes were made.

Not destroy other missile silos.

Just bomb the empty one.

Because that will show them!
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If it were me, I would launch a coordinated air attack on bases, military infrastructure, government buildings, and Kim's homes/hideouts.

And yes, it would mean destroying that empty silo so that it cannot be used again. Even empty guns are capable of being reloaded.
 
Denny Crane said:
The media and Rasta's buddies want more war.
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bullshit....Trump's generals, oil barons and arms dealers want more war....Trump has now empowered Iraq and N Korea to start shooting off missles....the Dems had that capped off ...now the lid is off....Trump is a hawk who surrounded himself with generals who will find more reasons to escalate the military...they have to do something with that meals on wheels money after all
 
Remember when Gaddafi fucked around we bombed his family. That is a powerful message not to do it again.

Bombing an airbase.... not so much.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
And that air defense system just got 59 real world pieces of data on how to track our cruise missiles.

Valuable information to have if you were thinking about attacking somewhere else like... the Ukraine?
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This is just a pure guess/speculation on my part.

Putin does have a plan. There was no reason for Putin to send his most advanced air defense system to Syria unless it was to be used against the USA. None of the forces Syria and Russia are fighting have planes.

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What happens if Russian air defense missiles knock down one or more of our stealth planes over Syria? Overnight, Russia is viewed as having a much stronger military, and we appear weaker.


BTW. In an all out war, I do believe our military has a plan to attack their superior air defense system. It involves overloading their system with many drones that appear on their radar as attack planes. Then coordinating all of the drones and real attack planes in such a way the attack planes can hit their targets and suffer less casualties.
 
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