Zombie Did we just drop bombs on Syria?

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Denny Crane said:
The whole Trump is a puppet of Putin just went down the toilet, where it belongs.
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Really? Trump doesn't know when he's getting played....Putin knows that...they were both at the bottom of the toilet to begin with but Trump is being tested don't fool yourself here
 
Our allies are united in their complete support of President Trump's move, and now see him as a welcome change from his all-talk-no-action Obama who continually threatened but always backed down.
 
MARIS61 said:
Our allies are united in their complete support of President Trump's move, and now see him as a welcome change from his all-talk-no-action Obama who continually threatened but always backed down.
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Don't forget the "we strongly condemn" bullshit too.

Oh! Well....you "condemn" them! That'll learn 'em!

It's no wonder nobody took him seriously.
 
Someone needs to explain to me Trump's sudden change of heart with regard to striking Syria. He's been historically, completely against it. Just last week Tillerson said it's up to the Syrian people to make a regime change. Trump campaigned, constantly, on America First. His nationalist supporters are freaking the fuck out right now because that strike goes against everything they thought he was about. Everything he said he was about. Are you really trying to convince me and others that he did this because of the video of children being gassed earlier in the week? Really? Everyone knows this isn't the first time Assad has done this. Come on. Nothing about this passes the sniff test whatsover.
 
dviss1 said:
Then why is he attacking the Russian backed military of Syria? WITHOUT congressional consent...
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Obama attacked several nations without congressional consent.

And congress did give consent via the war powers act. Obama justified his warmongering with the same basis.
 
riverman said:
Really? Trump doesn't know when he's getting played....Putin knows that...they were both at the bottom of the toilet to begin with but Trump is being tested don't fool yourself here
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Trump just bombed Putin's pal. Putin is furious. That's what a puppet does?

SMH
 
MARIS61 said:
Our allies are united in their complete support of President Trump's move, and now see him as a welcome change from his all-talk-no-action Obama who continually threatened but always backed down.
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In spite of my not wanting to bomb anyone, and would prefer to just get the hell out of there if we're not going to go for a decisive victory, this is the truth.
 
Denny Crane said:
Trump just bombed Putin's pal. Putin is furious. That's what a puppet does?

SMH
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Trump moved thousands of troops to the Polish border soon after he took the job...that pissed off Putin..has nothing to do with the chess match I think Putin is involved in....Trump has proven over and over that he's flappable...he leads with his chin...Assad isn't Putin's pal...he's a means to a military base and naval shipyard for Putin's bigger goals and a chance for Russia to control the pipelines and keep our Turkish missile bases in check
 
riverman said:
Trump moved thousands of troops to the Polish border soon after he took the job...that pissed off Putin..has nothing to do with the chess match I think Putin is involved in....Trump has proven over and over that he's flappable...he leads with his chin...Assad isn't Putin's pal...he's a means to a military base and naval shipyard for Putin's bigger goals and a chance for Russia to control the pipelines and keep our Turkish missile bases in check
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So, Putin's game is to get Trump to do all sorts of things that pisses Putin off?

Trump, so far, has proven he's listening to both his civilian and military advisors on these issues.
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-trump-assad-attack-syria-2017-4

But experts are skeptical that Putin is really prepared to relinquish his support for an ally he has consistently defended throughout more than six years of brutal civil war. In late September 2015, Moscow went as far as to intervene in the conflict on Assad's behalf, waging a scorched-earth campaign on rebel-held enclaves — and ultimately winning back Syria's largest city, Aleppo — that remains ongoing.

"Russian officials have said similar things before, but everything we have witnessed in Russian policy over the past six years indicates that Putin is staunchly supportive of Assad and will go to great lengths to keep him in power, no matter how many people he massacres through the most bestial means," said Mark Kramer, program director for the Project on Cold War Studies at Harvard's Davis Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Careful Denny - you'll get drummed out of Trump Club.
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I'm not in any Trump club.

My thinking is the refugees are our responsibility because Obama: 1) encouraged revolt, 2) armed factions, 3) declared we were going to overthrow Assad's government, 4) handed over the combat missions to Russia, enabling them to establish military presence,

What was likely a few violent protests turned into a bloody civil war. And Assad would have squashed ISIS before it got out of hand.

I have zero interest in putting the people who caused all this shit in the world in power again. The previous 8 years, I've seen enough.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm not in any Trump club.

My thinking is the refugees are our responsibility because Obama: 1) encouraged revolt, 2) armed factions, 3) declared we were going to overthrow Assad's government, 4) handed over the combat missions to Russia, enabling them to establish military presence,

What was likely a few violent protests turned into a bloody civil war. And Assad would have squashed ISIS before it got out of hand.

I have zero interest in putting the people who caused all this shit in the world in power again. The previous 8 years, I've seen enough.
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You need to go further back than Obama and Assad....you need to go back to Bush Sr and Assad and follow the yellow brick road....Assad is completely responsible for his civil war, his choices of allies and his tendency to practice genocide with chemical weapons......for some reason you can't face the real evil here....it's Assad period.
 
riverman said:
You need to go further back than Obama and Assad....you need to go back to Bush Sr and Assad and follow the yellow brick road....Assad is completely responsible for his civil war, his choices of allies and his tendency to practice genocide with chemical weapons......for some reason you can't face the real evil here....it's Assad period.
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There were no bombs dropping on Syria from Bush Sr until Obama. It started with Obama. You refuse to acknowledge the inconvenient truth.
 
Denny Crane said:
Obama attacked several nations without congressional consent.

And congress did give consent via the war powers act. Obama justified his warmongering with the same basis.
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I hate this sorry ass debate tactic. It's weak and typical of Conservatives.

What did you say then about Obama @Denny Crane?
 
While president, Obama conducted about 6,000 air strikes in Syria.

Since becoming president, Trump has conducted about 1,500 in Syria.

However, this was the first air strike against the Assad regime. All prior attacks in Syria by both presidents where against ISIS.
 
So 59 tomahawk missiles are not enough to put an airbase out of commission for more than 24 hours? SAD!

barfo
 
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