Did we lose the Gary Trent Jr Trade? (1 Viewer)

[Rastapopoulos]

Is this Aaron Afflalo all over again? I don't want to say so (Norm >>Afflalo, and we've re-signed Norm) but I think the Raptors are very happy. Not only is Gary still a knockdown shooter, he's leading the league in deflections AND check out #3.

I mean, I remember in the bubble play-in we all thought he'd made THE LEAP, and even thought he was a great defender, but that impression evaporated afterwards. Has he gone back to what we thought he was?

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes. Because we should have dealt him for a position of need and not another short guard. Fire Neil.

 

[julius]

Knockdown shooter?? He's shooting 43% from the floor and 35% from three.

Both are significantly worse than Norman. As is his scoring, and PER.

 

[B-Roy]

We traded defense for offense. Although Trent was not good defensively last year. Don’t think he would have developed here.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

If you have to question it instead of stating it then it is a no.

 

[Mr. Robot]

its both yes and no, context is important

powell is older and fits this teams timeline as we are in win now mode and gary trent jr fits their timeline, so deal made sense at the time, gtj probably wouldnt have the same role powell has here or gtj has there

few years from now, we will regret this deal, but it is what it is, it made sense at the time

 

[MickZagger]

No because Powell should be our starting 2 guard. He’s playing out of position. Maybe he will eventually become our starting 2 when we finally ship out CJ

 

[Phatguysrule]

No. Trent was going to leave, no matter what we did. And Powell is better during Dame's prime. Better leadership, better shooter, better defender... Norm is just better.

 

[Hoopguru]

My eyesight say's Powell get to the hoop when he wants better. He's a better shooter at this point too.
Time will tell on this one.

 

[Orion Bailey]

We won the trade. Now win the trade cj trade.

 

[Cugel]

no
Should CJ be traded, this will be even more apparent.

 

[tester551]

Is this Aaron Afflalo all over again? I don't want to say so (Norm >>Afflalo, and we've re-signed Norm) but I think the Raptors are very happy. Not only is Gary still a knockdown shooter, he's leading the league in deflections AND check out #3.

I mean, I remember in the bubble play-in we all thought he'd made THE LEAP, and even thought he was a great defender, but that impression evaporated afterwards. Has he gone back to what we thought he was?

I'm all for any reason to dump on Olshey.... but this trade is not it. Given performance, skill, & contracts - I'll still take Norm.

 

[wizenheimer]

interesting. Generally, I think Portland probably won the trade, but it's early. If Powell is stuck at SF for the next 2-3 years, the evaluation may change

I think Powell's defense was overrated. But then, IMO, so was Trent's. Apparently Trent has made a leap with his defense this season. He certainly has the junkyard-dog intensity on defense, much like Dillon Brooks. That can set the tone, and it sounds like Trent is getting credit for that this season. He hasn't been shooting as well in Toronto as he did in Portland. That's worth noting.

neither Powell or Trent are good rebounders, but that's a much bigger deficit for Powell since he plays in the front-court. Neither are good passers.

I don't buy the "fits-the-timeline" argument because what fits any timeline better is the best player. If somebody is better at 23 than another player is at 28, they fit a timeline better while having a lot more upside. Trent may have more upside than Powell, but he really isn't better right now

I'm all for any reason to dump on Olshey.... but this trade is not it. Given performance, skill, & contracts - I'll still take Norm.

curious...Trent actually makes less per year than Powell. Do you just like the longer duration of Powell's contract?

 

[HailBlazers]

Huge GTJ fan but we simply couldn't keep him.

 

[Minstrel]

Portland won the trade because Trent wasn't worth the cost of re-signing. He's a decent shooter, mediocre defender and does nothing else. Powell is worth the cost of re-signing as he's better on both ends of the court, IMO. Of course, it would probably be clearer if Powell wasn't being played at a forward spot.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Yeah, I'm a big Raptors fan, but I still go for Norm. I'm amazed at all the all-defense love that Trent's getting, though.

 

[andalusian]

If looking at the 5 man units that played for Portland at least 36 minutes together last year (a starter's average time) - and we sort them by worst net ratings, GTJ was on 6 of these units, more than any other role player.

 

[wizenheimer]

Huge GTJ fan but we simply couldn't keep him.

I don't understand the "couldn't keep him" narrative. I don't think that's a factor. Trent's annual salary is actually less than Powell's.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I don't understand the "couldn't keep him" narrative. I don't think that's a factor. Trent's annual salary is actually less than Powell's.

Both players signed for an AAV of $18 million.

 

[tester551]

I don't understand the "couldn't keep him" narrative. I don't think that's a factor. Trent's annual salary is actually less than Powell's.

That is due to Norm's contract being longer. Looking at the comparable contract lengths, Norm makes slightly less than Trent.... although it's not enough to be materially different.

Trent - '22= $16.0M '23= $17.3M '24= $18.5M (player option)
Powell - '22= $15.5M '23= $16.8M '24= $18.0M

Norm is also under contract for the '25 and '26 seasons.

 

[wizenheimer]

Both players signed for an AAV of $18 million.

they are close. Powell of 18M/year; Trent for 17.3M/year

difference is Powell signed for 5 years and Trent for 3 years so Powell starts out slightly lower

but my point was that if Portland could afford Powell, they could afford Trent. That's not saying who was the best fit

 

[Predator]

they are close. Powell of 18M/year; Trent for 17.3M/year

difference is Powell signed for 5 years and Trent for 3 years so Powell starts out slightly lower

but my point was that if Portland could afford Powell, they could afford Trent. That's not saying who was the best fit

Shouldn’t you only count the first 3 years then? Comparing 3 to 5 years is disingenuous as Trent will definitely get another contract, we just don’t know what.

For the 3 years we KNOW, Powell is getting paid less.

He MAY get paid more in year 4 & 5, but we don’t know that yet.

 

[Predator]

I’m not sure why we wouldn’t have been able to keep him though. Wasn’t he gonna be a RFA?

 

[wizenheimer]

Shouldn’t you only count the first 3 years then? Comparing 3 to 5 years is disingenuous as Trent will definitely get another contract, we just don’t know what.

For the 3 years we KNOW, Powell is getting paid less.

He MAY get paid more in year 4 & 5, but we don’t know that yet.

so, 500K a year is enough to imply I'm dishonest?

again, what I was responding too was the statement that Portland could not afford to re-sign Trent...which they obviously could have. Of course, that's assuming Trent would have even received an offer sheet from another team as RFA

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

they are close. Powell of 18M/year; Trent for 17.3M/year

difference is Powell signed for 5 years and Trent for 3 years so Powell starts out slightly lower

but my point was that if Portland could afford Powell, they could afford Trent. That's not saying who was the best fit

depends which article you read. Some say $54mm over 3 years, some say $52mm. Woj said $54mm, or $18/year.

Woj is the only source I trust, FAMS.

 

[BlayZa]

i think norm is a better player now for us, but the trade was lateral because we still have this burning desire to not touch CJ so Norm has to play out of position at we end up with a midget 1-3 lineup, yet again.

we need to (again) move either CJ or Norm (trent) for a starting prototypical SF or PF. not another mini guard.

 

[Predator]

so, 500K a year is enough to imply I'm dishonest?

again, what I was responding too was the statement that Portland could not afford to re-sign Trent...which they obviously could have. Of course, that's assuming Trent would have even received an offer sheet from another team as RFA

Disingenuous doesn’t necessarily mean “dishonest.”
I think you’re smart. I think you know it’s a little ridiculous to compare a 3yr contract to 5yr contract. Apples and oranges. That’s all. It also started with a question. Maybe there is a reason to legitimately compare 3 vs 5 year contracts.

my follow up post agreed with you, by the way, where I stated I think he was a RFA so don’t know why he couldn’t have been retained.

 

[wizenheimer]

depends which article you read. Some say $54mm over 3 years, some say $52mm. Woj said $54mm, or $18/year.

Woj is the only source I trust, FAMS.

Spotrac seems to be pretty accurate. BB Insiders used to be but they haven't updated for a lot of teams yet



that 250K is an 'unlikely incentive'

 

[wizenheimer]

Disingenuous doesn’t necessarily mean “dishonest.”
I think you’re smart. I think you know it’s a little ridiculous to compare a 3yr contract to 5yr contract. Apples and oranges. That’s all. It also started with a question. Maybe there is a reason to legitimately compare 3 vs 5 year contracts.

actually, smart or not, I simply responded to a post about Trent's contract. I did not take the time to consider all the factors in comparing the two contracts; I just averaged the annual salaries.

 

[HailBlazers]

I’m not sure why we wouldn’t have been able to keep him though. Wasn’t he gonna be a RFA?

Yes, but would have been a huge gamble.