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blue32 said:
Shouldn't they be holding American flags? I mean, come on...

Edit: Oh I see more pictures now.... and wtf they stomping on a car?
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So you have an issue with free speech?
 
Denny Crane said:
So you have an issue with free speech?
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No.
But stomping / climbing on cars, yes.

The flag thing is ironic, they pride their own country yet refuse to live there. That's all I meant by that.

They should rep the place that gives them their rights, ya? But sure rep the Mexican flag, I dont care. I think its funny though.
 
Think those kids need to go back to school if they equate "build a wall" to racism. Apparently they aren't learning very much.
 
blue32 said:
No.
But stomping / climbing on cars, yes.

The flag thing is ironic, they pride their own country yet refuse to live there. That's all I meant by that.

They should rep the place that gives them their rights, ya? But sure rep the Mexican flag, I dont care. I think its funny though.
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These are the future MeCha members in college. They're all politically active about latinos taking america over but most of the people I knew who were part of that eventually sold out and became crackaz
 
dviss1 said:
First off I'd be afraid because schools get shot up.

That sign was to make people afraid not express a political view. How come the muthafucka that hung it didn't stand there with it? Because he/she was too chicken shit to peaceably assemble to redress the government for their grievances? The Latinos at the school don't make law.

The sign was put up to make people afraid. And that's the reason why people have guns.
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Wait. I have guns to make you afraid or because im afraid?
 
If kids did that down here the teachers would high five them and go out for beers with them later.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
The irony is that the Mexicans who actually control Mexico see these people as trash.
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Even more irony is mexico is very discriminating towards Guatemalans. They built a fence to keep them from coming over the boarder and taking jobs. But unlike the us where most people arent racist they just want people to be legal, mexicans legit hate Guatemalans.
 
Its pretty funny here in LA though, now hipsters are gentrifying Mexican neighborhoods like East LA and the Mexicans are complaining about white people taking over and ruining their communities. It comes full circle.

http://la.curbed.com/2016/4/19/11463010/boyle-heights-gentrification


Boyle Heights Neighborhood Council member Steven Almazan expresses his concerns about the area's future to the Guardian. "Gentrification in Los Angeles has occurred clockwise," he says, "progressing from Silver Lake to Echo Park to Eagle Rock to Highland Park to Lincoln Heights and now Boyle Heights. As a neighborhood, we have seen how quickly communities in Los Angeles can change." Activist Xochitl Palomera was more blunt: "Gentrification is a violent threat," she says. "When we feel it we may react in an angry way, through fear."
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rasheedfan2005 said:
Even more irony is mexico is very discriminating towards Guatemalans. They built a fence to keep them from coming over the boarder and taking jobs. But unlike the us where most people arent racist they just want people to be legal, mexicans legit hate Guatemalans.
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This is the thing that obviously these idiots are missing..... I swear I've never seen so much hoopla about just having people follow the fucking rules.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
Even more irony is mexico is very discriminating towards Guatemalans. They built a fence to keep them from coming over the boarder and taking jobs. But unlike the us where most people arent racist they just want people to be legal, mexicans legit hate Guatemalans.
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oh they hate Guatemalans and El Salvadoreans
 
blue32 said:
This is the thing that obviously these idiots are missing..... I swear I've never seen so much hoopla about just having people follow the fucking rules.
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It's real simple, if i have to pay taxes, id like everyone who enjoys the freedoms and infrastructure of this country to pay taxes too. I could give a fuck where you are from as long as you are paying your part.
 
My wife lived in mexico and said most mexicans dont want to move to the US.
rasheedfan2005 said:
It's real simple, if i have to pay taxes, id like everyone who enjoys the freedoms and infrastructure of this country to pay taxes too. I could give a fuck where you are from as long as you are paying your part.
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I agree. And i think there should be a minimum tax people have to pay on federal individual returns. So they at least pay $50 or something like that. So they can feel invested. Too many people pay $0 in federal tax. They do pay social security, but they get a benefit from that later in life (not all, but most)
 
My sister's friend has a kid that goes to that school and he apparently said they were burning an American flag.
 
Students on facebook are saying these kids were running around saying "kill all whites"

Now that is a threat. Not the bullshit build a wall comment.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Tbh with you, i feel afraid of being around most bernie supporters. Because of all the filth ive heard them sling at anyone who has an inkling of being for trump. Even if said person doesnt even like trump they just arent willing to commit to not voting for him in the ge. When someone tells another to "kill themselves because pieces of shit like you need to die before america is great again" an example of the types of things ive been seeing on facebook commebts, is more of a threat to me than "build a wall"
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Really? In my experience, it's very popular amongst Bernie supporters to say that they will vote for Trump over Hillary, or at least go third party or write in Bernie and not care if Trump beats Hillary.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
My facebook feed is full of people i went to high school with saying that shit.

I dont care who people vote for. What i do care about is having an open forum to discuss issues without someone jumping out and calling you a racist, or bigot or piece of shit that should kill themselves. Ignorance is no excuse, but someone can be ignorant without being racist or a bigot.

The world would be a shit place if everyone was the same. Respect others opinions.
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yeah, good luck with that.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
My facebook feed is full of people i went to high school with saying that shit.

I dont care who people vote for. What i do care about is having an open forum to discuss issues without someone jumping out and calling you a racist, or bigot or piece of shit that should kill themselves. Ignorance is no excuse, but someone can be ignorant without being racist or a bigot.

The world would be a shit place if everyone was the same. Respect others opinions.
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I can't disagree with any of that. It's just an overreaction. "Build a wall" and "Make America great again" may not be outright racist, but they are certainly taken that way by people on both sides of the spectrum. Racists want a wall because they hate Mexicans and think they are ruining the country. "Make America great again" is seen by many people, on both sides, to mean "America was better when minorities, including gays and trans-people, were treated worse". Trump is undoubtedly the candidate that racists like the most in a very long time, but that doesn't make every Trump supporter racist.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
I can't disagree with any of that. It's just an overreaction. "Build a wall" and "Make America great again" may not be outright racist, but they are certainly taken that way by people on both sides of the spectrum. Racists want a wall because they hate Mexicans and think they are ruining the country. "Make America great again" is seen by many people, on both sides, to mean "America was better when minorities, including gays and trans-people, were treated worse". Trump is undoubtedly the candidate that racists like the most in a very long time, but that doesn't make every Trump supporter racist.
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If you get all that from "make america great again" i think you need to stop personalizing everything and grow a pair.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
The irony is that the Mexicans who actually control Mexico see these people as trash.
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So do we (not me but our country does).

rasheedfan2005 said:
Wait. I have guns to make you afraid or because im afraid?
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When people, those who have enemies or not, say they purchase a firearm for protection, it's because their afraid something might happen to them. Fear of the unknown.
 
dviss1 said:
So do we (not me but our country does).



When people, those who have enemies or not, say they purchase a firearm for protection, it's because their afraid something might happen to them. Fear of the unknown.
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So everyone who buys a gun is purchasing for protection and out of fear? That seems like a lot of assuming and dare i say, stereotyping.
 
A public blog post sharing the apology letter says it was emailed Thursday to high school and district leaders. In it, the student explains why the banner was put up and apologizes to anyone hurt by it. A school official said two students responsible for the banner have been disciplined, but wouldn't release details.

In the letter, the student said he doesn't believe that a border wall should be constructed and instead intended to do something in protest of restrictions on freedom of speech. The student later realized the banner had a negative meaning.

The student is not named in the letter and the family asked that they not be identified. The student asked that people not become violent over the incident and explained that he was afraid for his family after students drove by their home yelling Thursday.

Here is the entire text of the letter:

"Dear Forest Grove and Cornelius Community,

On May 18th, I hung a banner in Forest Grove High School that said, "Build a Wall." I don't actually believe that a wall needs to be built along our border. I wanted to do something provocative to protest what I see as restrictions on freedom of speech. I was feeling like people weren't open to discuss sensitive issues, because no matter what is said, no matter what words I used, someone says, "That's offensive!" I was angry, and I thought this would be a great way to express my belief in freedom of speech.

But I now understand that I chose a really bad place and way of expressing my belief on free speech. In trying to be noticeable, I used a message that held a strong, threatening connotation. I did not see that it was as strong or as negative as it was – but now I do. I understand now why it is being called racist and that I've made some students feel they and their families are not wanted at Forest Grove High School. That was never my intention.

I am truly sorry for anyone that I have hurt. Because my words did hurt – I understand that now. I will think more carefully in the future about my words and my actions. I still passionately believe in freedom of speech, but I also understand that just because it's legal to do something doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do.

I will work to learn about other cultures and how different people perceive different messages. I am going to learn much more about the issues of immigrants in the USA, especially Forest Grove, and learn about why they have come, what their life is like, the challenges they face and how they improve this community.

I may be present at the walkout that I have heard is happening later today. I may not. I haven't decided yet. I haven't decided yet what's best for the school, and what I should do regarding my participation. And to anyone that would like to have a formal and sincere conversation accompanied by a verbal apology I would like to make myself available.

I would sincerely ask that people not threaten violence, or engage in violence, over this incident. As students yelled and drove by my home today, I was scared not for myself, but for my family. I love my family very much – a family I have disappointed and that did not raise me this way – and I want them to be safe."
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http://www.oregonlive.com/forest-gr..._apologizes_for_build_a.html#incart_big-photo
 
Wow, he's more thoughtful and reasonable than many of you, lol.
 
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