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I get that some folks miss what MIXUM brought -- I do. He definitely stirred shit up and always got a ton of responses in his threads; that was obviously his primary goal as a poster here. There's no question that he posted some material that would not otherwise have been posted, but how valuable was it, really? Almost every time I saw a MIXUM thread with actual Blazer news, it was some random tidbit that I had already seen, just with a super-negative "read between the lines" commentary spin. A bunch of folks would take the bait and respond (myself included, I admit), and the cycle would continue. Was it worth it, in terms of value to the site? I think the majority has decided that it was not.

MIXUM was a high-contrast poster. He regularly took stances that were so extreme, so negative, that the regular spectrum of positions by other posters was totally washed out -- most discussions came down, in the end, to MIXUM vs. the world. If PapaG really misses this kind of lopsided "debate", I believe he is fully capable of filling the void. If he just wants to see more assorted Blazer tidbits posted, I think he could fill that void too.

But he didn't come to this thread to generate or inspire positive content - he just came to call out "Denny and the trolls who had MIXUM banned" and moan about the board not being what it used to be. That position is what I was targeting. Nothing good was lost that can't be replaced.

What other purpose did this thread serve? The only other possibility for staying on-topic would have been "yeah, sure is better!!!". The board is slow right now, and some posters whined enough to have MIXUM banned, which is what I posted.

Or, I suppose I could have trolled another poster, which seems to be the approach that you're taking in this thread. Actually, you seem more than willing and capable of filling in the MIXUM void. I would suggest that you indirectly troll, via an extreme position on the Blazers, rather than the tradition ad hominem trolling that you seem to be embracing in the thread.

Other than that, have fun!
 
What other purpose did this thread serve? The only other possibility for staying on-topic would have been "yeah, sure is better!!!". The board is slow right now, and some posters whined enough to have MIXUM banned, which is what I posted.

Or, I suppose I could have trolled another poster, which seems to be the approach that you're taking in this thread. Actually, you seem more than willing and capable of filling in the MIXUM void. I would suggest that you indirectly troll, via an extreme position on the Blazers, rather than the tradition ad hominem trolling that you seem to be embracing in the thread.

Other than that, have fun!

It's great how "trolling" can mean whatever you like these days, isn't it?

Anyway, I suppose since there's "hardly any activity on this board now" you'll be looking for greener pastures. Good luck with the search.
 
It's great how "trolling" can mean whatever you like these days, isn't it?

Anyway, I suppose since there's "hardly any activity on this board now" you'll be looking for greener pastures. Good luck with the search.

Calling me "PapaGee", saying I should be the next MIXUM, and posting directly toward me is an example of "trolling".

If you aren't self-aware enough to know this, then you're on your way to being MIXUM yourself. The only difference between what he did and what you're doing is that his trolling was basketball-related, for the most part.

Your "trolling" is trying to get me to bite, and I have, but only to point out the fact that you, yourself, are a troll in this thread. What other purpose was calling me out, other than to elicit a response from me? Answer me that, and I'll reconsider my view of you being a troll.
 
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The moral majority finally wins out. Officially Denny cited to some violation of the rules, but really it was about the fact good posters were leaving the site and Denny had to make a call.

Also if you notice Nic is no longer a mod (unrelated) and Nate is no longer a mod (related I believe)

For the longest time, we took MIXUM at his word that he really was a Blazers fan and we stood behind his right to post here. All that against the complaints of numerous posters. Then he made two posts that were an admission he viewed his part in our community to steal from the people you call the "moral majority" and he believed that the rest were rooting for him in doing so.

We don't take issue with people having abrasive personalities or posting unpopular opinions, or he'd have been banned a long time ago. We do take issue with the lying and stealing and the lack of respect for the people you call the "moral majority."
 
For the longest time, we took MIXUM at his word that he really was a Blazers fan and we stood behind his right to post here. All that against the complaints of numerous posters. Then he made two posts that were an admission he viewed his part in our community to steal from the people you call the "moral majority" and he believed that the rest were rooting for him in doing so.

We don't take issue with people having abrasive personalities or posting unpopular opinions, or he'd have been banned a long time ago. We do take issue with the lying and stealing and the lack of respect for the people you call the "moral majority."

He is a Blazer fan, and you have a real example of trolling in this thread right now. What are the intentions behind TripTango's posts, other than to pick a target and create a negative confrontation?
 
He is a Blazer fan, and you have a real example of trolling in this thread right now. What are the intentions behind TripTango's posts, other than to pick a target and create a negative confrontation?

We don't look at a small sample of posts to determine a person's intent. Judging by his recent post history, he's a really fine poster.
 
We don't look at a small sample of posts to determine a person's intent. Judging by his recent post history, he's a really fine poster.

So you're admitting that the ocassional trolling is OK? Interesting. Seems to me that you made a decision that you can't justify, and now you have to excuse similar behavior from other posters.

Weak
 
Calling me "PapaGee", saying I should be the next MIXUM, and posting directly toward me is an example of "trolling".

If you aren't self-aware enough to know this, then you're on your way to being MIXUM yourself. The only difference between what he did and what you're doing is that his trolling was basketball-related, for the most part.

Your "trolling" is trying to get me to bite, and I have, but only to point out the fact that you, yourself, is a troll in this thread. What other purpose was calling me out, other than to elicit a response from me? Answer me that, and I'll reconsider my view of you being a troll.

It's an example of teasing, yes. If I posted thread after thread of nothing but attempts to get you to bite, all under the guise of legitimately Blazer-related topics, it would be trolling. Do you honestly believe that any post that attempts to "elicit a response" makes the poster a troll?

The response that I'd like to elicit from you is to put your money where your mouth is and produce the content that you claim the board is now lacking -- that's all. I'm a casual poster, I fully admit it. I like to follow game threads when I watch games. I throw in my $0.02 on topics that interest me. I definitely let MIXUM get under my skin more than I should have, but I don't miss his hourly "yet another reason why the Blazers are doomed" threads. You clearly think that the board has lost something important, despite (or because of?) the fact that so many were bugged by the guy. If that is true, provide it. MIXUM didn't have magical "inside sources". He didn't have a crystal ball. He had Google and a driving need to be the bad guy. Everything good about what he brought (lots of posts, obscure Blazer links, an opinion) could be replaced by a dedicated poster. Go for it.
 
So you're admitting that the ocassional trolling is OK? Interesting. Seems to me that you made a decision that you can't justify, and now you have to excuse similar behavior from other posters.

Weak

You really should reexamine your definition of "trolling". I don't think it means what you think it means.
 
So you're admitting that the ocassional trolling is OK? Interesting. Seems to me that you made a decision that you can't justify, and now you have to excuse similar behavior from other posters.

Weak

Honestly I think Denny is trying to say that this is a forum for guys. We talk shit and like to fuck with each other but for the most part we can laugh it off and be friends again 5 minutes later.
 
Honestly I think Denny is trying to say that this is a forum for guys. We talk shit and like to fuck with each other but for the most part we can laugh it off and be friends again 5 minutes later.

I agree with this. I just don't find deliberately seeking confrontation from an individual poster who you don't have a history with, which is what TripTango was doing until I put him on ignore, to be a part of the guy code. Now, if I call you out, or vice versa, then that's fine, because we are familiar with each other, and our intentions a just to have fun. I don't really know a thing about TripTango, other than he's some random dude that I don't know sitting at the end of the bar who is talking shit to me for some unknown reason.
 
I agree with this. I just don't find deliberately seeking confrontation from an individual poster who you don't have a history with, which is what TripTango was doing until I put him on ignore, to be a part of the guy code. Now, if I call you out, or vice versa, then that's fine, because we are familiar with each other, and our intentions a just to have fun. I don't really know a thing about TripTango, other than he's some random dude that I don't know sitting at the end of the bar who is talking shit to me for some unknown reason.

Oh, for the love of jeebuz...
 
And thus another thread becomes "PapaG asks semantic questions hoping for a gotcha while 5 posters attempt to explain why he's overreacting."

AKA Sunday afternoon. :ghoti:
 
And thus another thread becomes "PapaG asks semantic questions hoping for a gotcha while 5 posters attempt to explain why he's overreacting."

AKA Sunday afternoon. :ghoti:

It's raining in Anaheim, and I have questions. I'm not sure who the 5 posters are, though. One guy I've never heard of, and Denny/Sly. Denny clarified, which is all that I really wanted, and Sly expanded on it, which was a plus. The take home from this is that I finally have someone on my Ignore list. It's been a loonnnggg time. Now I know why people announce their Ignores. It's such a power trip! BRAWR!
 
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So you're admitting that the ocassional trolling is OK? Interesting. Seems to me that you made a decision that you can't justify, and now you have to excuse similar behavior from other posters.

Weak

You didn't already know that? You've gotten away with it on many occasions.
 
You didn't already know that? You've gotten away with it on many occasions.

I must have missed all of my warnings. Plus, a shift has occured, as poster was actually banned. BenDavis503 had to beg Denny to ban him, literally in his own signature, until his brand of hatred was finally banished.

Anhow, it's nice to have you back as a poster, instead of a moderator who acted like a poster. :)
 
Careful Nate -- I think he might be trying to elicit a response out of you...
 
We don't look at a small sample of posts to determine a person's intent.
Good to know that you won't let two posts stand out.
For the longest time, we took MIXUM at his word that he really was a Blazers fan and we stood behind his right to post here. All that against the complaints of numerous posters. Then he made two posts that were an admission he viewed his part in our community to steal from the people you call the "moral majority" and he believed that the rest were rooting for him in doing so. We don't take issue with people having abrasive personalities or posting unpopular opinions, or he'd have been banned a long time ago. We do take issue with the lying and stealing and the lack of respect for the people you call the "moral majority."
I've noticed I'm missing a silver pocket watch. Aside from his lying and stealing, I'm 100% behind your policy to ban any scumbag who doesn't respect Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority. Every night before prayers I hear the Founding Fathers calling in the wind, asking us to clear the liars and thieves from this hallowed board.

As the thread title says, did you hear that? The dishonor is gone. Now that Mixum is gone, you cleaned them out. You didn't miss anyone who admits to non-sincere, non-honorable intent.
Nah -- just poking some satirical fun at folks actually getting bent out of shape over MIXUM's absence.
Guilty as charged, Ed. I admit to throwing the last part in purely for pun value.
It's an example of teasing, yes.
Yeah--I don't think it's a location thing so much as an attention thing. MIXUM loved to start threads because he loved to see how many responses/views those threads would get. You ever notice how often he would refer to that? I'll be honest--I do the same thing whenever I start a thread.
Ooh, look at the above examples, this is awful and I'm not adult enough to handle this. Someone, while being criticized for how they post, satirically teased back that yeah, I'm a bad guy. Just like the satire and teasing in Mixum's famous two posts. He humorously responded to critics by saying ha ha, I love it, keep criticizing me, I'm the bad guy. It was not a sincere admission that he was here to cause arguments. Even if it was, so what? Isn't that what a sports message board is? Or is it a place for us to love each other? Is this a sports message board or a whorehouse?
Honestly I think Denny is trying to say that this is a forum for guys. We talk shit and like to fuck with each other but for the most part we can laugh it off and be friends again 5 minutes later.
Now we're talking. Good explanation of why the tantrums against Mixum are pretty sissy. Cynic Mixum liked to find an ordinary event and put a negative twist on it. Then some supposed man would throw a tantrum against him. But cynics are amusing. Toughen up, lighten up, and stop requiring idealism on a message board. If I can put up with people who want to kill hundreds of thousands of human beings in a stupid war, others can tolerate a cynic.
The moral majority finally wins out. Officially Denny cited to some violation of the rules...
Correct. Mixum's famous two posts (which Denny never links to, because you'd see how normal and innocent they were) gave Denny his immediate, current justification to do what he was going to do anyway, ban Mixum. As I posted in that very thread, if the rules of this board (e.g. Rule #1 is you must have honorable intent) were actually enforced, activity on the board would immediately die. The rules exist only to justify bans after they happen, not to guide the decision process before the ban. That decision process has no rules, and is a law of the jungle political process in which the squeakiest wheel gets the grease.

The political process was between two of Denny's lieutenants, Natebishop3 and Ed O. Natebishop3's few allies were squeakier wheels than Ed O's. Natebishop3 himself has posted dozens of times in the last week about banning Mixum, dominating each of the ban threads (for example, he started this one), while Ed O has posted maybe 3 times.
 
PapaG trolling? Nooooooooooo :devilwink:

You responded to a post of mine. Wouldn't that be you trolling me?

This entire thread is basically trollish, and look at who started it. You trolled a poster who couldn't respond to this thread even if he wanted to say something.

I said from Day One that you wouldn't be a good mod candidate. I was right. :)
 
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^Now that took some digging! Very deep!
 
That's a solid post with some strong points, jlprk. Repped. I do have a couple questions for you, though.

* Do you really think that MIXUM was simply a cynical Blazer fan and not just "in it for the lulz"?
* What, exactly, do you miss about his threads? Is it the linked content, his negative presentation of that content, or the firestorm that would often result? All of the above?
* In terms of the big picture, why do you think it is that MIXUM has been banned from multiple Blazers sites?

EDIT - One more question: Why don't you ever post riddles and challenges like you did back in the ESPN forums? Good times.
 
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To be fair, Denny, his multiple "bandit" references tied back to this post where he indicated that someone else referred to him as the bandit of this board. I don't know if his posts were a tacit admission of wrongdoing so much as an acknowledgement of his role around here as the "bad guy" who many people actually secretly cheer for. If those posts were what got him banned, I have to say I agree with jlprk (which rarely happens).
 

I'm not always right, but thanks for those 2 quotes, because they prove I'm right in this case. I'll repeat them for everyone to read. Remember, he was defending himself from several critics led by Natebishop who had hijacked the thread to provoke him into saying something incriminating, after a week-long campaign in other threads to get him banned, timed for Ed's absence.
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ahhhh natebishop. always a mixum foe. like i asked before.... is it the bandit who is the bad guy... or is it the smokey? who did people cheer for? in the movie "the town" did you really hate the bad guy ben afflick or did you find yourself rooting for him? hmmmmmm

natebishop i eagerly await your response. ya see stealing is stealing.... and its always wrong but some people find it acceptable as long as its for a good cause. theres a bad guy in all of us which is why we cheer for bandits or bank robbers even though they are breaking the law. if you are saying im the smokey then your saying the mods are the bad guys breaking the rules.
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I am just appalled by these 2 posts you keep referring to, Denny. Please describe how they got Mixum banned.
 
* Do you really think that MIXUM was simply a cynical Blazer fan and not just "in it for the lulz"?

I assume lulz means what were called kicks in the 60s. I think it's less of his mindlessly getting his kicks, and more of his 1) possessing a permanently pessimistic frame of mind combined with 2) a love of starting threads, giving him high visibility, and 3) his posts are short and don't reason things out, infuriating those who seek a positive House of Worship for their team. If he had only 1 of those 3, he'd skim by with just a couple of critics.

* What, exactly, do you miss about his threads? Is it the linked content, his negative presentation of that content, or the firestorm that would often result? All of the above?

I don't miss his threads. I do expect fewer long threads and thus fewer total posts on the board. His threads, while attracting his critics like bees, also contained a lot of people posting real basketball debate. With fewer threads, the board will have fewer debate posts (a minus), as well as no banter between his critics and him defending himself (a plus). To those like me who easily tolerate a cynic, the minus will exceed the plus. I stand up for him not because the board will be much worse (only a little worse) but because of the false reasons given for his demise. It's like, I may not agree with you, but I'll defend your rights to the death. (Uh, not even close, but you know what I mean.)

* In terms of the big picture, why do you think it is that MIXUM has been banned from multiple Blazers sites?

I think you're talking about only one site, BBB or BBF or whatever it's called. The reason is obvious. The same individuals who got him banned here did the same there.

EDIT - One more question: Why don't you ever post riddles and challenges like you did back in the ESPN forums? Good times.

Edit: Who were you on ESPN? I still have a riddle they couldn't answer and I never told them the answer, if you want it. I play a different role here, since I'm a smaller fish in a bigger pond. I dominated more there (and like Mixum, a couple of people got tired of me).
 
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I am just appalled by these 2 posts you keep referring to, Denny. Please describe how they got Mixum banned.

Stealing (trolling) is stealing. Some posters root for the troll.
 
Stealing (trolling) is stealing. Some posters root for the troll.

This short mindless post extolling trolls is identical to a Mixum post.

We're all wondering what Mixum's new screen name will be, but am I watching Outer Limits? Sapping our leader's mind would be scary.
 
* What, exactly, do you miss about his threads? Is it the linked content, his negative presentation of that content, or the firestorm that would often result? All of the above?

I don't miss his threads. I do expect fewer long threads and thus fewer total posts on the board. His threads, while attracting his critics like bees, also contained a lot of people posting real basketball debate. With fewer threads, the board will have fewer debate posts (a minus), as well as no banter between his critics and him defending himself (a plus). To those like me who easily tolerate a cynic, the minus will exceed the plus. I stand up for him not because the board will be much worse (only a little worse) but because of the false reasons given for his demise. It's like, I may not agree with you, but I'll defend your rights to the death. (Uh, not even close, but you know what I mean.)

But what if a significant majority of posters lack your poise and tolerance for cynicism? What if MIXUM's net sum, for most posters, was a strong negative? What if most folks believed that he was not, in fact, a fan at all, and just enjoyed riling people up? Is it fair and valid to remove his ability to post in this case?

For the record, I never once called for a ban, but I thought it was fairly clear that the guy got a great deal of satisfaction from bugging people. Those two posts Denny cites may not be conclusive proof that he was deliberately trying to cause chaos, but they do seem to suggest it. Personally, I thought his posts in the "Calling out MIXUM" thread were even more "gloaty":

"maybe im the cop, maybe im the bandit. im the one who gets attacked. its a beautiful thing."

"when my name is in a thread it reaches 1000 views. thats thanks to all who hate. so wether im the smokey or the bandit it really doesnt matter. you cant have one without the other."

Like I said, I never called for a ban, but I'm not shedding any tears for the loss. It's my understanding that he had been made well-aware of the possibility of losing his posting privileges, and yet he not only continued the same kinds of self-centered, antagonistic behavior, he basically bragged about his power to do so.

EDIT - One more question: Why don't you ever post riddles and challenges like you did back in the ESPN forums? Good times.

Edit: Who were you on ESPN? I still have a riddle they couldn't answer and I never told them the answer, if you want it. I play a different role here, since I'm a smaller fish in a bigger pond. I dominated more there (and like Mixum, a couple of people got tired of me).

I was trango99 on ESPN -- I posted there around 2004-2005. Always enjoyed your posts, and even won a couple of your puzzles (though I have yet to receive my promised rewards...). I went back recently to try and find those old threads, but it looks like they did some housekeeping on the forums. If you've got some unsolved puzzles, let em loose!
 
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