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Gronk Brady said:
To name a few recent lies: he touted the TPE and how big a tool it was... isn’t gonna use it... then he said we needed veterans with playoff experience... didn’t do that either
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Orion Bailey said:
Has it expired?

Saying we need something but not getting them is not a lie. You do know what the definition of a lie is right?

:banghead2::banghead2::banghead2:
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I don't hear anything but crickets. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHA

Must be all of my emotions, LMAO.
 
The only stat that matters for DeRozen is his garbage 3 point shooting percentage. Not many GMs are willing to build around a SG that is going to be 29 when the season starts and shoots 31% from the arc. In 3 years he'll have less bounce and no long-distance shot to fall back on while making near 30 million.

This is a bad deal for the Spurs to avoid a rebuild under Pop's watch. They will turn this mess of a roster over to another coach in 3 years to start the tank.
 
Orion Bailey said:
And is exactly my point. Why trade him to an in conference team who might just knock you out of the playoffs with seeding?
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Because no one in the West besides GS will make the finals from the west anyway. It’s a good time to rebuild.
 
Most of these franchises in the West know they can compete with GS right now
 
I fundamentally will always disagree with trading a player that wants to be here for a player that is more than likely a one year rental. Especially in today's NBA climate where a hypothetical Kawai for CJ swap still doesn't get us close to GS.

Bide time. That's all we have. Sorry. Neal knows this, FYI.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Prefers can be.. okay... give me DAME and CJ.. otherwise....


Come on now... stop playing with the symantics. ;)
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Prefers means “I’d like to send him east but I’ll do what’s best for the franchise and aquire the best assets”
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Zach Lowe brings up something most of us hadn't thought of: "If Toronto gets the sense by Thanksgiving that Leonard is leaving regardless, it can try to flip him to the Lakers or Clippers. The Raptors won't make themselves whole in such a deal, but they could recoup enough of what they traded as to make today's move almost risk-free."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24128608/zach-lowe-kawhi-leonard-trade-spurs-raptors-nba
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Nobody is thinking about it because it doesn't make sense. The lakers didn't go all out for him now, why would they spend anything on him at the deadline when they can have him for free in the offseason?
 
hoopsjock said:
Yet, you want the Blazers to go all-in on this one season? Yeah, that makes complete sense!
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All in? I never said that. I said going into next offseason with 2 of the 10 best players in the league is a better situation to be in, and that I don’t think he will leave 50 mil on the table to go elsewhere.

Read then post
 
LayneStaley said:
Something like CJ/Collins/Simmons/1st for Kawhi/Green probably could have happened. The fact that Kawhi’s new team can offer about 50 mil more next season is pretty huge imo, I bet with a little team success he resigns there.
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Kawhi has now lost his super max contract rights so it's really not that much money Toronto (or us if we traded for them) could offer. Sure the team who has him can offer a 5th year but that is super misleading as he could make that money up and more with a new contract after 4 years.
 
LayneStaley said:
Prefers means “I’d like to send him east but I’ll do what’s best for the franchise and aquire the best assets”
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NO... Prefer is a judment/opinion word.

Prefers can go to either extremes. But nice try. :)

Havent you ever heaqrd of it in this context?

Trade Kawhi to the Lakers? Uhhh no. I prefer to trade him to the East.

You are digging into the symantics WAAAYYY too much.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Nobody is thinking about it because it doesn't make sense. The lakers didn't go all out for him now, why would they spend anything on him at the deadline when they can have him for free in the offseason?
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Just like they got PG this offseason, lol
 
LayneStaley said:
All in? I never said that. I said going into next offseason with 2 of the 10 best players in the league is a better situation to be in, and that I don’t think he will leave 50 mil on the table to go elsewhere.

Read then post
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Make sense then post.
 
Orion Bailey said:
NO... Prefer is a judment/opinion word.

Prefers can go to either extremes. But nice try. :)

Havent you ever heaqrd of it in this context?

Trade Kawhi to the Lakers? Uhhh no. I prefer to trade him to the East.

You are digging into the symantics WAAAYYY too much.
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You are delusional if you think a franchise will turn down a better haul for a player just to get him out of conference.
 
Quick synopsis (maybe a deep dive later tonight):
BNM covered many of my points, but let's recap a couple.
DeRozan's a bigger guy (6'7 vs. 6'3), but as BNM said they're basically a wash on defensive metrics. I think that being bigger helps him with flexibility in a switching defense, but nothing too huge there.
They both shoot a ridiculous number of mid-ranges (both top 5 in the league in attempts), where CJ's at about 45% and DD is 43%.
CJ is by far the better 3pt shooter (at this point in his career, one of the best (20th) in NBA history). DeRozan make Aminu look like Kyle Korver. though last year he literally doubled his previous career-high in attempts.
DeRozan's a better finisher at the rim (66 vs 55%) and in the paint (47 vs 40%), which seems to be more of a "superstar" skill. It also helps him get more than double FT/g than CJ (7.0 vs 3.1)

DeRozan's 2 years older, but has a bit more "history". With similar contracts (both have about 3/80M left, though DeRozan's 2020-21 is a player option) I really believe it becomes a flavor fit. I think personally I'd rather have CJ than DeRozan, but that's not because I think he's the superior player on paper. I could absolutely see how Pop would rather have DeRozan. I just think it's funny that between him and LMA they combined for 1300 mid-range J's last year at 42%. Yeesh.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Zach Lowe brings up something most of us hadn't thought of: "If Toronto gets the sense by Thanksgiving that Leonard is leaving regardless, it can try to flip him to the Lakers or Clippers. The Raptors won't make themselves whole in such a deal, but they could recoup enough of what they traded as to make today's move almost risk-free."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24128608/zach-lowe-kawhi-leonard-trade-spurs-raptors-nba
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So, that addresses the "leaving" thing, but it doesn't address the "without a quad that works, he's not a Top 5 player" thing. This could totally go the Isaiah Thomas 2017 route.
 
LayneStaley said:
You are delusional if you think a franchise will turn down a better haul for a player just to get him out of conference.
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Really? when GM's will turn down better offers because they dont like the owner?

See Indi/PTL a year ago... we offered a better package but they chose a different route because the GM doesn't like our owner. What makes you think they wouldn't do something similar in order to stifle more competition in their own conference??? Which is a better reason than not liking the owner of a trade partner....


Yeah, im the one that is delusional. LOL Thats a good funny you made there.
 
LayneStaley said:
All in? I never said that. I said going into next offseason with 2 of the 10 best players in the league is a better situation to be in, and that I don’t think he will leave 50 mil on the table to go elsewhere.

Read then post
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LayneStaley said:
Way to address what i said, as usual.

Less than a week till you have to admit Neil is pure shit, you said you would if he didn’t use the TPE. A lot of us are waiting.
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You must of missed my post where you are wrong about the money. Kawhi didn't want to stay in SA where he could've signed a SUPER MAX. If it had anything to do with money he would stay. To bring up money (when it isn't even that much of a difference) is completely ignorant and stupid.
 
Boob-No-More said:
In a nutshell, DeRozan scores more (100 more points in 200 fewer minutes) and is a more efficient scorer (TS% = .555 vs. .536). He also gets more assists (AST% = 25.0 vs. 15.8).

I was surprised there wasn't a larger difference in USG% (29.6 vs. 26.5) given that DeRozan was his team's No. 1 option AND that assists and TOVs also factor into USG% and DeRozan gets more of both. Then I looked at PER36 numbers and see that both players are very close in FGA/36 (18.8 vs. 18.5).

Defensively, they are a wash. Seriously, all of their defensive stats, both basic and advanced are VERY close.

DeRozan, due to his more efficient scoring and higher AST%, wins most of the advanced stats (PER: 21.0 vs. 17.0, WS: 9.6 vs. 6.6, WS/48: 1.70 vs. 1.08, ORtg: 114 vs 108, BPM: 1.8 vs. 0.4, VORP: 2.6 vs. 1.8)

In short, DeRozan is a better player, both more productive and more efficient. And, he put up those numbers as the No.1 option on the No.1 team in the East. As a No. 1 option and a 4 time all star, other teams would have specifically game planned to stop him. While being the No., 1 option usually means more scoring opportunities, I was very surprised to see how close the FGA/36 were. Given DeRozan's style of play, I always considered him more of an ISO player, but he actually gets a lot more assists than C.J.

So, SAS got the better player AND they shipped Kawhi East, which was another of their clearly stated goals.

Unless we were willing to offer Dame, we never had a chance.

BNM
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Are you not a fan of eFG%
 
Orion Bailey said:
Really? when GM's will turn down better offers because they dont like the owner?

See Indi/PTL a year ago... we offered a better package but they chose a different route because the GM doesn't like our owner. What makes you think they wouldn't do something similar in order to stifle more competition in their own conference??? Which is a better reason than not liking the owner of a trade partner....


Yeah, im the one that is delusional. LOL Thats a good funny you made there.
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So there’s a grudge between San Antonio’s front office and every other front office in the West? We never said anything about franchises with conflicts in the front office, nice leap though:)
 
Portland2014 said:
Right before Shams announce that San Antonio and Toronto are in advanced talks for Kawhi he told his buddy Woj to write about our fake attempt with San Antonio, only to specify that Lillard and CJ weren't in the deal (because either way he would have make McLillard unhappy).

Every time there's a big trade/signing he tells Woj to mention our fake attempts, it happened with Paul George, it happened with Cousins and so on...

This franchise is really in a state of disgrace, the jokes about our Summer League championship are on point, it's the only title we can dream of...
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Just you.
 
LayneStaley said:
Yeah they didn’t want both, gtfo
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Is that what I said? NO. So YOU GTFO. ;)

A few of you around here have issues reading one thing and thinking it says another. Much like NO lieing. He hasn't yet, but its being tossed around he is a liar because people here like to wist shit around to fit their narrative. Those of you that do this are not fooling anyone but yourselves...

Reading comprehension 101.

Listening comprehension 101. Some of you need it.


When someone says they want to do something or prefer to do something and then end up not doing it. That does not define a lie.....

Why do I feel like i'm teaching a grade school session now?
 
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