Notice Does Oregon Business climate factor in Business's staying here?

[Hoopguru]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.wweek.com/news/business/2025/06/13/the-departure-of-oregon-companies-speaks-to-a-bigger-problem-for-the-state/&ved=2ahUKEwiW0cz11Z-SAxWyPDQIHYEhKJoQFnoECDkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ca9ImjAcvDWxOQ6Fn0buU

What is our State doing to be more business friendly and to retain/keep business here. The list of large Oregon business that have left is concerning. To me reataing business is as important as attracting business.

If Im MLB or even the new owner of the Blazers how does this trend affect them?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.wweek.com/news/business/2025/06/13/the-departure-of-oregon-companies-speaks-to-a-bigger-problem-for-the-state/&ved=2ahUKEwiW0cz11Z-SAxWyPDQIHYEhKJoQFnoECDkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ca9ImjAcvDWxOQ6Fn0buU

What is our State doing to be more business friendly and to retain/keep business here. The list of large Oregon business that have left is concerning. To me reataing business is as important as attracting business.

If Im MLB or even the new owner of the Blazers how does this trend affect them?

That's a Steve Duin editorial from last year.

Oregon 4th and 8th graders did not cause Techtronix to leave.

Yes, REI closed a store, and then opened 2 more in the Portland area. Businesses do that.

Adobe closed an office in Portland. Ok? Not a founded-in-Oregon business.

And Keen closed, what's a Keen? Anyone here ever buy a Keen? RIP Keen, we never knew you.

4th and 8th graders...

Do we really have stupid kids and bad schools here in Oregon?

Or could it be something else?

Are these tests being given the same test across the country? Are they being administered the same way? Sorry, I'm just not buying it.

Now I'm not saying that Oregon's test results aren't "massaged," but I'm willing to bet they are a lot more accurate than the majority of states.

But we don't really know what's going on across the nation because standardized testing is bad. Evil. Curriculum and testing need to be set by the community, not by the evil federal government.

The one standardized testing we do have is the SAT.

Looking at the data, Oregon has a much higher than average participation rate than other non-mandatory states, and our test results are high.





More interesting data here:

Average SAT Test Score by State

For the graduating class of 2024, the national average SAT score was 1024, a figure that continues a post-pandemic decline even as test-taking numbers rise. The distribution of test scores shows that only 7% of test takers achieved SAT scores between 1400 and 1600. Speaking of the national...

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So Mr Duin's premise that our taxes are too high and our workforce is too dumb really doesn't hold up.

Producing an educated workforce. Could we do better? Sure! But cutting taxes will not make it better.

 

[Hoopguru]

All valid points for sure but there is always room for improvement in recruiting and retaining new business. No different than pro sports, should always be looking at ways to improve performance in order to compete. If we simply take the position that we are good, and thing are peachy keen our ability to compete in recruiting and keeping business here, could be tough a tough struggle.

 

[barfo]

Having states compete with each other to attract businesses is a really bad aspect of our federal system.
There's no reason not to have uniform rules for businesses, including taxes, across the country.
If that were true, then states could compete on making life better for employees, rather than employers.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

That's a Steve Duin editorial from last year.

Oregon 4th and 8th graders did not cause Techtronix to leave.

Yes, REI closed a store, and then opened 2 more in the Portland area. Businesses do that.

Adobe closed an office in Portland. Ok? Not a founded-in-Oregon business.

And Keen closed, what's a Keen? Anyone here ever buy a Keen? RIP Keen, we never knew you.

4th and 8th graders...

Do we really have stupid kids and bad schools here in Oregon?

Or could it be something else?

Are these tests being given the same test across the country? Are they being administered the same way? Sorry, I'm just not buying it.

Now I'm not saying that Oregon's test results aren't "massaged," but I'm willing to bet they are a lot more accurate than the majority of states.

But we don't really know what's going on across the nation because standardized testing is bad. Evil. Curriculum and testing need to be set by the community, not by the evil federal government.

The one standardized testing we do have is the SAT.

Looking at the data, Oregon has a much higher than average participation rate than other non-mandatory states, and our test results are high.

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More interesting data here:

Average SAT Test Score by State

For the graduating class of 2024, the national average SAT score was 1024, a figure that continues a post-pandemic decline even as test-taking numbers rise. The distribution of test scores shows that only 7% of test takers achieved SAT scores between 1400 and 1600. Speaking of the national...

igcsepro.org

So Mr Duin's premise that our taxes are too high and our workforce is too dumb really doesn't hold up.

Producing an educated workforce. Could we do better? Sure! But cutting taxes will not make it better.

Excellent point about the standardized tests and the SAT.

 

[Phatguysrule]

All valid points for sure but there is always room for improvement in recruiting and retaining new business. No different than pro sports, should always be looking at ways to improve performance in order to compete. If we simply take the position that we are good, and thing are peachy keen our ability to compete in recruiting and keeping business here, could be tough a tough struggle.

I don't think anybody thinks everything is good and there's nothing more we could do.

The biggest problem I see here for businesses is that the employees expect to make a decent wage. And we have better rights as employees compared to states in the southeast.

That, and we don't have a lot of excess land available to build factories in desirable areas.

I don't really want to change either of those situations.

Probably the biggest thing we could do is build more housing...

 

[tlongII]

Having states compete with each other to attract businesses is a really bad aspect of our federal system.
There's no reason not to have uniform rules for businesses, including taxes, across the country.
If that were true, then states could compete on making life better for employees, rather than employers.

barfo

What would be the point of having 50 different states in that scenario?

 

[Hoopguru]

Having states compete with each other to attract businesses is a really bad aspect of our federal system.
There's no reason not to have uniform rules for businesses, including taxes, across the country.
If that were true, then states could compete on making life better for employees, rather than employers.

barfo

Do you not believe in competition?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

All valid points for sure but there is always room for improvement in recruiting and retaining new business. No different than pro sports, should always be looking at ways to improve performance in order to compete. If we simply take the position that we are good, and thing are peachy keen our ability to compete in recruiting and keeping business here, could be tough a tough struggle.

I'm not denying there are points to all that is being discussed here. But businesses also know that its a lot harder to recruit talented people in Iowa than it is on the West or East Coast.

Imo, most of this crap are just negotiation talking points. If you hear people bitching enough about something, sometimes people will think its a real problem. Maybe it is, or maybe someone is just butthurt.

Many humans are flawed in that no matter what they have, if they look at someone else who has something just a little more advantageous to their set of circumstances, they rage. Then we read articles like this.

Sly is correct, follow the data. Just try to understand the context about the data.

 

[Phatguysrule]

What would be the point of having 50 different states in that scenario?

The 50 states could still have different laws for the people... Different policies regarding land use. Different environmental policies, etc...

 

[Hoopguru]

Each State now has different laws & legislation. Which is cool, way it should be imo. And yes there needs to be some federal laws & regulations.
It comes down to competing for new business and hoping to retain existing business, every State deals with it. Something has to spawn the ability for growth for both the business and personal/private sectors.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Each State now has different laws & legislation. Which is cool, way it should be imo. And yes there needs to be some federal laws & regulations.
It comes down to competing for new business and hoping to retain existing business, every State deals with it. Something has to spawn the ability for growth for both the business and personal/private sectors.

The rules and regulations should make sure that it's not a race to the bottom.

This is typically the challenge with competition based systems. Do you need strict regulation to keep the competition healthy.