OT DOES RELIGION MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU?

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theprunetang said:
I believe in being thoughtful, being empathetic to all living beings, respecting other humans and nature, purposefully harboring positivity, creativity and other good traits.

Religion is a way to control others, and allows one to engage in negative behaviors whilst giving oneself the cover of excuse.
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Curious how you reconcile thought one with thought two.
 
riverman said:
I actually love tennis more than basketball but haven't followed it as much as I used to. My wife and I played for decades together...still love to play but now my knees say...ping pong is the way to go. I love the purity of tennis...just two people across a net with a ball and two rackets...a great match can last hours....that's an athlete. No substitutions in that game.
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We've taken up pickle ball. It's a lot of fun.
 
The Quakers have a cool approach to religion...no church...no outreach or lobbying for expansion and most importantly...no participation in war period...they meet in each other's homes in small groups in silence to meditate about God.....actually cool example of non dogmatic religious practice.
 
ABM said:
Curious how you reconcile thought one with thought two.
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I empathize with all. I respect other's choices, but that respect is not unimpeachable. When one's choices and actions put them in a mindset to dictate what others can and can't do, I lose that given respect. I still feel empathy and wish the lost could regain their humanity, but I cannot hold their hand.

This is the same argument when people criticize the "tolerant" left for not tolerating hatred, bigotry, racism, sexism, fascism, and et seq. These behaviors are beyond tolerating, beyond respect, and beyond my personal lifelong code of morality and critical thinking.

If one becomes dead to me in name, then they have really fucked up.
 
theprunetang said:
I empathize with all. I respect other's choices, but that respect is not unimpeachable. When one's choices and actions put them in a mindset to dictate what others can and can't do, I lose that given respect.
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Question: Should all drugs be legalized?
 
ABM said:
Question: Should all drugs be legalized?
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In my opinion, yes. But, only if rolled out compassionately. Things with potential recreational value but also with inherent danger should be legalized, regulated for safety, and people should be educated about what they can do. And a safety net of drug treatment, counseling, and etc can bolster the aforementioned education, and safety measures. Of course, none of this can be accomplished over night, and especially with the neo-con War on _______ that is so pervasive with Republicans and establishment Democrats alike. We have a system that worked ok for the times when society was far more simple, but severely falls short in every way to handle our current more advanced culture and society.

Our system is broken. Either we fix it through creative force, or it gets fixed without our input by destructive forces. This is where the right wing is taking us: fear, anger, mistrust, corruption, vile speech against those with differing thought, restrictions on personal health and body choices, less power in voting, and on and on.

There are 2 forces at work here: creativity and destruction. I know which side I choose. Even if that side fails, it is still the correct choice, every single time.
 
ABM said:
Question: Should all drugs be legalized?
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I think you should try them all for an extended period so you can make an informed decision...maybe start with Thorazine and then get back to us with your test results! Be sure to purchase a drool cup ...I hear that's a great Thorazine companion!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I'm curious what you mean by this.
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I know the Catholic church imbedded their rules and agenda alongside the tenets of the religion. From the slaughter they directed during the three Crusades, or instigation of the Spanish Inquisition,many centuries ago, political status was important in their reign. The religions' status during the medieval period was for power and political influence. Unfortunately, priests in these times,
had proven the solitary life to God was not enough. Perversion! It's a global problem that proved it was the system, not the individual. .
 
riverman said:
I would say in the case of fundamentalist religion this would be the case in many circumstances but not in the case of a Taoist monk or Buddhist country like Thailand that has a long history of peace and one of the most accepting cultures of transgendered people on earth....I also think many Pagan religions have not been aggressive about dominating their environment or forcing their beliefs...the aboriginals in Australia or the Hopi or the Pygmies, etc....they get sort of swept under the rug but are practitioners of their own faiths. The biggest abuse of religious doctrine is definitely tied to Catholicism, Christianity and Muslim fundamentalists....I agree with John Lennon though as well. China's atheism under Mao was forced on people and used violence to gain power and keep it so....atheists have their bad history as well. The Russian revolution is another example of violent overthrow of government in the name of atheism.
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So....in essence, it's ALL fucked up.~
 
There were a bunch of religious (legal) zealots back in the day. Jesus thumped them pretty good and pretty often.

Still are today.
 
riverman said:
I think you should try them all for an extended period so you can make an informed decision...maybe start with Thorazine and then get back to us with your test results! Be sure to purchase a drool cup ...I hear that's a great Thorazine companion!
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I'm happy it works for you.
 
ABM said:
I'm happy it works for you.
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I have no need for it but you are seeking answers so I'll be happy to know how it turns out...it was your question. I'm on 3 heart meds currently and have been for 6 years...glad they're not illegal.
Drugs should not be illegal...abuse of drugs should be illegal.
 
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riverman said:
I have no interest but you are seeking answers so I'll be happy to know how it turns out...it was your question. I'm on 3 heart meds currently and have been for 6 years...glad they're not illegal.
Drugs should not be illegal...abuse of drugs should be illegal.
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I imagine they'e prescribed.

Not exactly certain what your definition of abuse is. One shot of heroin is OK, but three is abuse?
 
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ABM said:
One shot of heroine is OK, but three is abuse?
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sort of like cigarettes eh? but if you're a soldier who's stepped on a land mine and lost his legs on the battlefield the medic will probably give you all the shots you want to help you through it...you don't want to take a handful of my heart meds at the same time either but I'm sure someone has lost their life trying...choices
 
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riverman said:
sort of like cigarettes eh?
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Something like that, yeah. Heh, I've never had three shots of heroine before.

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ABM said:
Something like that, yeah. Heh, I've never had three shots of heroine before.

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I'm going to assume you've never stepped on a land mine as well. Personally when they put a balloon in my heart chamber I'm glad I was knocked out with powerful drugs. Choices ..I sure didn't wake up from surgery a heroin addict though.
 
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riverman said:
I'm going to assume you've never stepped on a land mine as well. Personally when they put a balloon in my heart chamber I'm glad I was knocked out with powerful drugs. Choices ..I sure didn't wake up from surgery a heroine addict though.
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I was goofing around as I had mispelled heroin. All good. Glad you're relatively healthy these days. My ticker appers to be doing well. It's my prostate that's caused a few inconveniences in the past few years.
 
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In a recent poll 81% of Americans reported that they believe in God. This is down from 87% in 2017, 92% in 2011, is the lowest percentage ever, and is well down from the 94% to 98% regularly reported between 1944 and 1967. 83% of women are believers, 80% of men are. 88% of married persons believe in God compared to 77% of those not married.
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riverman said:
I'm going to assume you've never stepped on a land mine as well. Personally when they put a balloon in my heart chamber I'm glad I was knocked out with powerful drugs. Choices ..I sure didn't wake up from surgery a heroin addict though.
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Dude, you missed the best part! I was (pleasantly) higher than a kite and it was like I was watching a satellite photo. See the big old river that somehow narrowed down to a little tiny stream, then.....voila! Flowing like the Amazon again. There was a little initial discomfort when they expanded the mesh, but it was a good buzz throughout and the procedure was fascinating to watch. That said, one time is plenty.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Drug possession and use should be decriminalized. Our efforts should be focused on prevention via education and recovery.

It's worked well in Portugal.
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Portugal is known for great food and its relaxed atmosphere. Perhaps, they have a plan.
 
ABM said:
I was goofing around as I had mispelled heroin. All good. Glad you're relatively healthy these days. My ticker appers to be doing well. It's my prostate that's caused a few inconveniences in the past few years.
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No doubt, you're getting old. When you scope out where bathrooms are at an event, that's proof.
 
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