OT DOES RELIGION MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU?

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Tyrant of Ants said:
"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

That quote is dead on.
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Absolutely.
Maya Moore and Raphael Warnock are good people. Jerry Falwell and Patrick Robertson are evil people. All claim Christianity as motivation.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
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Here is the difference between Jesus and the law: The law tells you what to do, but it can’t give you the power to do it. Jesus tells you what to do, and he gives you the power to do it. That is where strength, hope, and faith begin. It begins because the Son of God has come. It does not begin in us. It begins in him.

Listen to how the apostle Paul puts it: “God has done what the law…could not do” (Romans 8:3). What could the law not do? The law could not forgive past sins, and it could not empower future obedience.

So, how did God do what the law could not do? He did it “by sending his own Son…” What did the Son of God do, that would forgive past sins and empower future obedience?

  • “He condemned sin in the flesh” (Romans 8:3). By dying on the cross, where his flesh was torn and his blood was shed, Jesus Christ made provision for all of our past sins.
  • But it does not end there. He rose from the dead, and as the living Lord and the ascended Savior, he works by his Holy Spirit to give strength, hope, and faith.
  • He did all this “in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit” (Romans 8:3-4).
I was reading this week about a woman who endured a long period of darkness and depression. When, by God’s grace, she finally got relief, this was her testimony: “I realized after all these years that I was looking to find in myself what I needed to find in him.”

The good news for the person without strength, without hope, and without faith today is that it does not lie in you. It lies in Jesus. There is a Savior who can be trusted, and in him there is hope and there is strength for you.

“These are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name” (John 20:31). There is a Savior whose Word brings strength to the powerless, hope to the hopeless, and faith to the faithless. May his Word bring new strength, new hope, and new faith to all of us today.

https://openthebible.org/article/the-difference-between-jesus-and-the-law/
 
ABM said:
Here is the difference between Jesus and the law: The law tells you what to do, but it can’t give you the power to do it. Jesus tells you what to do, and he gives you the power to do it. That is where strength, hope, and faith begin. It begins because the Son of God has come. It does not begin in us. It begins in him.

Listen to how the apostle Paul puts it: “God has done what the law…could not do” (Romans 8:3). What could the law not do? The law could not forgive past sins, and it could not empower future obedience.

So, how did God do what the law could not do? He did it “by sending his own Son…” What did the Son of God do, that would forgive past sins and empower future obedience?

  • “He condemned sin in the flesh” (Romans 8:3). By dying on the cross, where his flesh was torn and his blood was shed, Jesus Christ made provision for all of our past sins.
  • But it does not end there. He rose from the dead, and as the living Lord and the ascended Savior, he works by his Holy Spirit to give strength, hope, and faith.
  • He did all this “in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit” (Romans 8:3-4).
I was reading this week about a woman who endured a long period of darkness and depression. When, by God’s grace, she finally got relief, this was her testimony: “I realized after all these years that I was looking to find in myself what I needed to find in him.”

The good news for the person without strength, without hope, and without faith today is that it does not lie in you. It lies in Jesus. There is a Savior who can be trusted, and in him there is hope and there is strength for you.

“These are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name” (John 20:31). There is a Savior whose Word brings strength to the powerless, hope to the hopeless, and faith to the faithless. May his Word bring new strength, new hope, and new faith to all of us today.

https://openthebible.org/article/the-difference-between-jesus-and-the-law/
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Now do the difference between sadness and a bicycle.

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Oh, so Jesus gives you the power to take away my civil rights.
 
ABM said:
Here is the difference between Jesus and the law: The law tells you what to do, but it can’t give you the power to do it. Jesus tells you what to do, and he gives you the power to do it. That is where strength, hope, and faith begin. It begins because the Son of God has come. It does not begin in us. It begins in him.

Listen to how the apostle Paul puts it: “God has done what the law…could not do” (Romans 8:3). What could the law not do? The law could not forgive past sins, and it could not empower future obedience.

So, how did God do what the law could not do? He did it “by sending his own Son…” What did the Son of God do, that would forgive past sins and empower future obedience?

  • “He condemned sin in the flesh” (Romans 8:3). By dying on the cross, where his flesh was torn and his blood was shed, Jesus Christ made provision for all of our past sins.
  • But it does not end there. He rose from the dead, and as the living Lord and the ascended Savior, he works by his Holy Spirit to give strength, hope, and faith.
  • He did all this “in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit” (Romans 8:3-4).
I was reading this week about a woman who endured a long period of darkness and depression. When, by God’s grace, she finally got relief, this was her testimony: “I realized after all these years that I was looking to find in myself what I needed to find in him.”

The good news for the person without strength, without hope, and without faith today is that it does not lie in you. It lies in Jesus. There is a Savior who can be trusted, and in him there is hope and there is strength for you.

“These are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name” (John 20:31). There is a Savior whose Word brings strength to the powerless, hope to the hopeless, and faith to the faithless. May his Word bring new strength, new hope, and new faith to all of us today.

https://openthebible.org/article/the-difference-between-jesus-and-the-law/
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You don't get the right to push that off on people as law.

Doing so at their peril makes it evil.

The last few years have taken me from being accepting of religion to the realization that religion is in fact evil.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
You believe Jesus has complete control over your life = OK, fine, whatever. It's your life.
You believe Jesus has complete control over other people's lives = Not OK.
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Correct. We all have free will.
 
ABM said:
And you believe I'm doing that?
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Yes. You are supporting people publicly and with your vote who are trying to codify these beliefs into law.

The end result can be nothing other than primitive and cruel.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
You mean all the atrocities throughout human history in the name of religion didn't do it for you?
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I was under the impression that we had moved beyond that in our society. To a point that we could rely on logic enough to avoid the evils of Christianity in a responsible way, at least, in our country.

This foolish belief is why I was surprised Donald Trump was a legitimate candidate in 2016. And also why I was surprised that his supporters didn't waver even though he was engaging in very obvious authoritarian actions.

I didn't think that religion had to be evil if it were balanced with logic.

But the reality is that the mental gymnastics one has to engage in to balance their own religion with logic are so great that it cannot be done.

Logic tells you that the Bible is a story used by men as a means to dishonestly exploit human nature in an effort to profit from or control people.

That is evil. Even if some of the people who are duped are good people, they are that way in spite of religion, not because of it.
 
The thread question is, does religion mean something to me? Yes, but not so much religion, rather, my relationship with Christ, which means EVERYTHING to me.
 
God and I were pretty tight until my best friend died of a heart attack at 18 the same day he helped paint the church he went to. I kind of lost my trust in Him after that. Religion feels pretty hollow, a really smart real estate scam more than anything beneficial to society.
 
I got a great deal of good out of my Catholic education. I also saw the hypocrisies, so I took what was good and moved on. I also understand "fellowship". But from an early age I never quite understood that, if we had something so basic and simple as the Ten Commandments and the Golden rule, why we needed brick and mortar holding pens, along with different labels for the occupants of those various pens. Either you believe in and follow the aforementioned "God given" resources as written (and treat the entire human race as a "fellowship") or you don't. How anyone can "interpret" something so clear and easy to understand in any way other than how they are written is beyond me. All I can figure is that it takes a special kind of stupid........
 
A Texas attorney has filed a legal action to stop health insurance from covering medication to prevent HIV transmission. Because he's a Christian.
That is exactly what he said.
 
When we lived in New York, our super, jesus, was fat and bald. And when we had a leak, he walked on water.
 
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