OT DOES RELIGION MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU?

[Phatguysrule]

Religion is like alcohol. You're better off without it, but there's little harm done if you don't get drunk on it and become a belligerent fool. And, like alcohol, it should be kept well away from children.

I love this analogy. Well done.

 

[theprunetang]

A concept you seem to have a difficult time understanding is that many people don't appreciate your advances. No is no.

What would Jesus do? The exact opposite of everything American right wing Christians are doing. These people are fucked.

 

[theprunetang]

Oh, and lost souls like Candace Owens? Jesus would be flipping her goddamned tables over.

 

[barfo]

Have to say, for a man with a death wish so he can become a martyr, he succeeded beyond his wildest dream. Most talked about man in all of human history.

Aside from Jason Jennings, that is.

Here's what historians think he looked like:

barfo

 

[MickZagger]

Aside from Jason Jennings, that is.

Here's what historians think he looked like:

barfo

You have a fascination with anything and everything Arkansas I’ve noticed

 

[ABM]

A concept you seem to have a difficult time understanding is that many people don't appreciate your advances. No is no.

Gee, how do you figure?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

That Oregon law covers our cities as much as it covers Portland. No police in Oregon can arrest people for possession of small amounts of drugs.

The problem in Portland can be fixed in a very straightforward manner, without throwing nonviolent people in jail.

We are choosing to allow Portland to be that way because we are either too ignorant and/or too stubborn and vindictive to solve the problem. And increasing the prison population isn't the solution.

I'll say this, advocating to lock sick people up isn't a very Christian thing to do. In fact, no religion I know of advocates treating sick people that way.

most addicts will need to be locked up for a period of time for detoxication. Part of the problem is its too short and many addicts get back on the street and repeat the same cycle.

I would submit that addicts do need to be locked up. Just in another way with a different daily structure/programs to help them go through all of the steps to truly quit and recover. But legalizing hard drugs isn't going to get people to stop using them. It just provides an easier method of increased addiction in the community.

If the number one homeless problem is addiction then the number one priority for us should be treatment of addiction. Almost all addiction recovery starts with a lockdown of sorts.

 

[ABM]

Religion is very "discussable". Hmmmm....why is that?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Religion is very "discussable". Hmmmm....why is that?

Just tell us where the hooker is buried.

 

[riverman]

Gee, how do you figure?

No free math classes for you

Religion is very "discussable". Hmmmm....why is that?

it stands to reason that you wouldn't understand this concept

 

[Phatguysrule]

most addicts will need to be locked up for a period of time for detoxication. Part of the problem is its too short and many addicts get back on the street and repeat the same cycle.

I would submit that addicts do need to be locked up. Just in another way with a different daily structure/programs to help them go through all of the steps to truly quit and recover. But legalizing hard drugs isn't going to get people to stop using them. It just provides an easier method of increased addiction in the community.

If the number one homeless problem is addiction then the number one priority for us should be treatment of addiction. Almost all addiction recovery starts with a lockdown of sorts.

The number one problem with homelessness is not putting people in homes.

Demand for marijuana has cratered since it became legal here in Oregon.

I have no problem with locking people up if they are breaking other laws, but not for drugs. If you catch them doing something wrong and lock them up and find out they are an addict, then yeah, make rehab part of their jail sentence. I have no problem with that at all.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

The number one problem with homelessness is not putting people in homes.

Demand for marijuana has cratered since it became legal here in Oregon.

I have no problem with locking people up if they are breaking other laws, but not for drugs. If you catch them doing something wrong and lock them up and find out they are an addict, then yeah, make rehab part of their jail sentence. I have no problem with that at all.

marijuana is not a hard drug. It doesn't have the addictive properties and depth as others drugs that by and large force people to make bad decisions.
some drugs should absolutely be illegal.
Your idea will not stem the addiction problem. Its a reaction. Not a proaction.
much like racism, addiction needs to be tackled at the root. Not once its too late and the person has been influenced being repair.

 

[Phatguysrule]

marijuana is not a hard drug. It doesn't have the addictive properties and depth as others drugs that by and large force people to make bad decisions.
some drugs should absolutely be illegal.
Your idea will not stem the addiction problem. Its a reaction. Not a proaction.
much like racism, addiction needs to be tackled at the root. Not once its too late and the person has been influenced being repair.

What I am describing has reduced crime rates, addiction rates, and overdose rates everywhere it has been tried.

Where and when has what you are talking about worked? Do you have any examples of your suggested method working well?

 

[barfo]

You have a fascination with anything and everything Arkansas I’ve noticed

Doesn't everyone, though?

In fact, I spent a few days in Arkansas once, on a fishing trip.

And I don't fish.

barfo

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

What I am describing has reduced crime rates, addiction rates, and overdose rates everywhere it has been tried.

Where and when has what you are talking about worked? Do you have any examples of your suggested method working well?

I already provided you evidence that right here in Portland, legalizing the hard drugs has increased drug usage.
I also showed you evidence that even though there is free help, the addicts are by and large declining it.
It hasnt worked here in Portland and thats enough factual evidence to show legalization, here, is not working. Whether it worked elsewhere is irrelevant if it is actively not working here.
And again, other places are not here.

Once we realize that its the drug addiction that has people making poor choices to commit crimes to support thier habit, then we have pinpointed the source of the bulk of the homelessness(other being poverty).

Listen. I live and am dealing with a hard core drunk. There is no help, no rationalization, no common sense that can be had from addicts.
Until they are ready to want and maintain the want for help and they want to quit, nothing will help. No legalization. No prison time, etc.
I see it up front on a daily basis in a vacuum and have lived very close to addicts half my life.
I speak from living with the problem. Not off some reports from another country that doesn't have the same social/community breakdowns that we have.
Only two things will solve the homelessness/ drug problem here.
Lockdown for addicts to recover and better social services for broken families.
Either way though, addicts aren't typically able to kick the habit without a detox lockdown.
Just read up on recovery program websites. They all say the first step is a detox that usually involves a lockdown of sorts.
These are recovery facts you can read up on addiction and what recovery entails.


Anyhow those are my thoughts on this. I will curb further thoughts on this topic, as i just realized this is supposed to be about religion. Not drug addictions and homelessness.

 

[ABM]

No free math classes for you


it stands to reason that you wouldn't understand this concept

Look, I have an undisputable personal relationship with Christ. You (and anyone else, for that matter) can attempt to dispute that way, but it won't change that reality one iota.

 

[riverman]

Look, I have an undisputable personal relationship with Christ. You (and anyone else, for that matter) can attempt to dispute that way, but it won't change that reality one iota.

Are you trying to convince yourself because I could care less who you have relationships with or who your lord and master is. I believe in choice...just stay the fuck out of my choices and you can gamble on the kingdom and afterlife all you want to . I live here now and what happens here is important to me...not your mythological loyalty which you and your other flock are trying to impose on us through the laws of THIS land. Everything is disputable ..especially religious blind faith.

 

[barfo]

Look, I have an undisputable personal relationship with Christ. You (and anyone else, for that matter) can attempt to dispute that way, but it won't change that reality one iota.

 

[ABM]

Are you trying to convince yourself because I could care less who you have relationships with or who your lord and master is. I believe in choice...just stay the fuck out of my choices and you can gamble on the kingdom and afterlife all you want to . I live here now and what happens here is important to me...not your mythological loyalty which you and your other flock are trying to impose on us through the laws of THIS land. Everything is disputable ..especially religious blind faith.

Excuse me? When have I ever tried to overrun your choices, or whatever it is you're attempting to imply?

 

[riverman]

Excuse me? When have I ever tried to overrun your choices, or whatever it is you're attempting to imply?

your vote and lobby has integrated church and state...that is not respecting my freedoms or choices. Roe vs Wade is a perfect example....and you know this but I'm not implying anything...I give you freedom of choice but don't vote or lobby against mine or anyone else's who doesn't subscribe to your personal relationship with Jesus. As I said....you're not going to understand the complexity of a true democracy given your track record of cheering for bad leadership. You have not addressed the most important issue facing the country today..the insurrection of your party against the peaceful transfer of power....when it comes to real change and challenges at the highest level....your best representatives get no support yet Herschel Walker and Clarence Thomas do....you need to cheer for Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger ....the last honest republicans in DC...yet you just don't. Jesus has nothing to fucking do with it....it's your responsibility. When your vote goes after civil rights, which it is targeting...then the gloves come off....next gay marriage and interracial marriage will be rolled back. GOP....the new Americantaliban. The GOP can go fuck itself. You can tell Jesus Riverman said so!

 

[crandc]

I have an undisputable personal relationship with my cat but I don't expect anyone else to live by my cat's and my relationship.

 

[MickZagger]

Look, I have an undisputable personal relationship with Christ. You (and anyone else, for that matter) can attempt to dispute that way, but it won't change that reality one iota.

Therefor you’re a better human. I’ve heard this song and dance over and over

 

[theprunetang]

your vote and lobby has integrated church and state...that is not respecting my freedoms or choices. Roe vs Wade is a perfect example....and you know this but I'm not implying anything...I give you freedom of choice but don't vote or lobby against mine or anyone else's who doesn't subscribe to your personal relationship with Jesus. As I said....you're not going to understand the complexity of a true democracy given your track record of cheering for bad leadership. You have not addressed the most important issue facing the country today..the insurrection of your party against the peaceful transfer of power....when it comes to real change and challenges at the highest level....your best representatives get no support yet Herschel Walker and Clarence Thomas do....you need to cheer for Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger ....the last honest republicans in DC...yet you just don't. Jesus has nothing to fucking do with it....it's your responsibility. When your vote goes after civil rights, which it is targeting...then the gloves come off....next gay marriage and interracial marriage will be rolled back. GOP....the new Americantaliban. The GOP can go fuck itself. You can tell Jesus Riverman said so!

This. 100% this. All of these fuck heads are too dumb to understand the role they are actively taking, or too evil to care.

 

[ABM]

your vote and lobby has integrated church and state...that is not respecting my freedoms or choices. Roe vs Wade is a perfect example....and you know this but I'm not implying anything...I give you freedom of choice but don't vote or lobby against mine or anyone else's who doesn't subscribe to your personal relationship with Jesus. As I said....you're not going to understand the complexity of a true democracy given your track record of cheering for bad leadership. You have not addressed the most important issue facing the country today..the insurrection of your party against the peaceful transfer of power....when it comes to real change and challenges at the highest level....your best representatives get no support yet Herschel Walker and Clarence Thomas do....you need to cheer for Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger ....the last honest republicans in DC...yet you just don't. Jesus has nothing to fucking do with it....it's your responsibility. When your vote goes after civil rights, which it is targeting...then the gloves come off....next gay marriage and interracial marriage will be rolled back. GOP....the new Americantaliban. The GOP can go fuck itself. You can tell Jesus Riverman said so!

You can wail and flail all you'd like. It's certainly your prerogative. You just watch how many of us have pulled, or will be pulling, away from Trump and his minions, though. And, as it pertains to Roe vs. Wade, I'm 100% still for that unborn child. That won't change.

 

[ABM]

Therefor you’re a better human. I’ve heard this song and dance over and over

Well, you're hearing it all wrong, then.

 

[riverman]

You can wail and flail all you'd like. It's certainly your prerogative. You just watch how many of us have pulled, or will be pulling, away from Trump and his minions, though. And, as it pertains to Roe vs. Wade, I'm 100% still for that unborn child. That won't change.

You've never once joined in the call for justice in the insurrection trial.....just crickets yet you cheer for horrible supporters of the denial of that historic tragedy....still crickets. The republicans who have "pulled away" from MAGA are Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger....you finally have two members of your party with the balls to hold the crooks accountable and you cannot voice support period. Yeah......walk the walk or take a hike. You have shown zero support for democracy and started dozens of posts supporting Trump and his minions. You can pretend to have convictions or hide behind your history of bad choices. I stand for freedom...you stand for subservience. Wail and flail on some of that. You've allied yourself with the wrong side of history.
Hold yourself accountable and take off the blinders...freedom is at stake here on planet earth for those of us who don't need to die in order to find it.

 

[ABM]

You've never once joined in the call for justice in the insurrection trial.....just crickets yet you cheer for horrible supporters of the denial of that historic tragedy....still crickets. The republicans who have "pulled away" from MAGA are Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger....you finally have two members of your party with the balls to hold the crooks accountable and you cannot voice support period. Yeah......walk the walk or take a hike. You have shown zero support for democracy and started dozens of posts supporting Trump and his minions. You can pretend to have convictions or hide behind your history of bad choices. I stand for freedom...you stand for subservience. Wail and flail on some of that. You've allied yourself with the wrong side of history.

Tell me how you really feel. LOL. Look, just because you're getting crickets doesn't mean I'm not moving on from the guy. I don't feel like jumping into the mosh pit with the liberal elite, not anypne else. Meanwhile. I'm biding time until we can move past the Biden/Harris regime. Has our world gotten any better sinve they've in office these past 18 months?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Tell me how you really feel. LOL. Look, just because you're getting crickets doesn't mean I'm not moving on from the guy. I don't feel like jumping into the mosh pit with the liberal elite, not anypne else. Meanwhile. I'm biding time until we can move past the Biden/Harris regime. Has our world gotten any better sinve they've in office these past 18 months?

And you think "moving on" is the proper response to a person who tried to overthrow American democracy?

And you think government control over individuals is acceptable.

I am personally for individual rights. I do not support government removing individual rights without solid evidence that removing those rights results in significantly improved societal well being.

What the Supreme Court has done is significantly reduced social well being by making a mockery of the constitution.

 

[crandc]

Yes, having a basically decent person in presidency is an improvement over a pathological liar and sadist.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm biding time until we can move past the Biden/Harris regime.

So you really think Biden/Harris is a dictatorial authoritative government?

What policies/rules/laws have they enacted to support this?