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calvin natt said:
The Kings are an abomination of fucked up decisions and horrible leadership for decades. The Warriors do have excellent ownership and management. But they also happen to have Steph who they got with the 7th pick. And then Klay at 11. No owner or FO matters without that duo. To get those picks they had to be shitty. There are other ways to do it but with free agency essentially off the table, it’s draft and trade. Trades require assets which they don’t really have.
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I agree. Both are on the extreme scales. But lets be real and ask yourself what franchise we're closer to right now between Golden St and Sacramento in the follow areas:

1) Ownership - Kings
2) Market Desirability - Kings
3) Front Office Experience - Kings
4) Coaching Experience - Kings
5) Talent - Kings
 
Timeline on Dirk's salary is off. Dirk was a free agent the season before they won their NBA title(2010-11). He was 32 years old. He was coming off of a season that saw Dallas lose in the first round of the playoffs. At 32 years old Dirk signed a 4 year, 80 million dollar deal, which was a max or near max deal at the time. He was 36 and 3 years removed from their title when he started giving them discounts. When Dame's deal is up, he'll be roughly as old as Dirk was at that same time. So then we can start asking Dame to give discounts to be comparable to Dirk.

There were no free agent signing that happened that pushed them over the top. They traded Erick Dampier in the offseason for Tyson Chandler, which helped to anchor their defense. Otherwise, they brought back roughly the same team.
 
RR7 said:
Timeline on Dirk's salary is off. Dirk was a free agent the season before they won their NBA title(2010-11). He was 32 years old. He was coming off of a season that saw Dallas lose in the first round of the playoffs. At 32 years old Dirk signed a 4 year, 80 million dollar deal, which was a max or near max deal at the time. He was 36 and 3 years removed from their title when he started giving them discounts. When Dame's deal is up, he'll be roughly as old as Dirk was at that same time. So then we can start asking Dame to give discounts to be comparable to Dirk.

There were no free agent signing that happened that pushed them over the top. They traded Erick Dampier in the offseason for Tyson Chandler, which helped to anchor their defense. Otherwise, they brought back roughly the same team.
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hoopsjock said:
Dirk took his discount 3 years after his title.
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Thank You. I stand corrected. But i still maintain the max is too much. :)
 
BlazerBender said:
Hello,

Please correct me if I am wrong, but Dirk signed for a far less percent of the cap during their championship, enabling Dallas to put a bunch of all star/roll players around him, if I remember correctly.
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that's mostly false

Dallas won the championship in 2010-11. Here are Dirk's salaries:

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his salary that season was 30% of the cap. That's not "far less" of a percent. In the final season of that contract his salary was 38% of the cap. IIRC, Dirk exceeding the 35% max was allowed because the cap was essentially frozen after the new CBA was implemented.

in fact, under that contract Dirk made:

1st year - 30% of the cap
2nd year - 33% of the cap
3rd year - 36% of the cap
4th year - 38% of the cap

essentially, his contract gave him 35% of the cap (same as Dame)...so no, he didn't take a significant financial hit for the team. His 30% meant about 2.9 extra million. And the reality is that Dallas did not use that 'savings' to sign anybody. The only new faces of any consequence on that team were Tyson Chandler (acquired in a trade) and Peja Stojakovic who was claimed off of waivers and signed to a minimum deal

this isn't the first time I've seen somebody say Dirk took less so the Mavs could build a contender. But it's simply not factual
 

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Tince said:
I agree. Both are on the extreme scales. But lets be real and ask yourself what franchise we're closer to right now between Golden St and Sacramento in the follow areas:

1) Ownership - Kings
2) Market Desirability - Kings
3) Front Office Experience - Kings
4) Coaching Experience - Kings
5) Talent - Kings
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Is this an April Fool’s joke? The Kings are the worst organization in all of sports. 16 straight years with no playoffs and that likely won’t change. Blazers were in WCF 3 years ago.
 
Tince said:
I agree. Both are on the extreme scales. But lets be real and ask yourself what franchise we're closer to right now between Golden St and Sacramento in the follow areas:

1) Ownership - Kings
2) Market Desirability - Kings
3) Front Office Experience - Kings
4) Coaching Experience - Kings
5) Talent - Kings
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Ouch! The truth hurts when it's that bad!
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Is this an April Fool’s joke? The Kings are the worst organization in all of sports. 16 straight years with no playoffs and that likely won’t change. Blazers were in WCF 3 years ago.
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Read the post then post.
He said " Ask yourself which franchise the Blazers are closer to right now"
Sad fact is (And I'm really sorry to point this out) The Blazers are much closer to the Kings than the Warriors.
 
tykendo said:
Why, in hell, would the Knicks do that? Lakers can have hope. They are at the front of dream for scenarios. I dream for a lottery win. About the same odds for getting that done.
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That's the point. Give the Lakers hope ... then pull the rug out from under them.
 
BlazerBender said:
Thank You. I stand corrected. But i still maintain the max is too much. :)
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wizenheimer said:
that's mostly false

Dallas won the championship in 2010-11. Here are Dirk's salaries:

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his salary that season was 30% of the cap. That's not "far less" of a percent. In the final season of that contract his salary was 38% of the cap. IIRC, Dirk exceeding the 35% max was allowed because the cap was essentially frozen after the new CBA was implemented.

in fact, under that contract Dirk made:

1st year - 30% of the cap
2nd year - 33% of the cap
3rd year - 36% of the cap
4th year - 38% of the cap

essentially, his contract gave him 35% of the cap (same as Dame)...so no, he didn't take a significant financial hit for the team. His 30% meant about 2.9 extra million. And the reality is that Dallas did not use that 'savings' to sign anybody. The only new faces of any consequence on that team were Tyson Chandler (acquired in a trade) and Peja Stojakovic who was claimed off of waivers and signed to a minimum deal

this isn't the first time I've seen somebody say Dirk took less so the Mavs could build a contender. But it's simply not factual
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KSF-ERIC said:
Is this an April Fool’s joke? The Kings are the worst organization in all of sports. 16 straight years with no playoffs and that likely won’t change. Blazers were in WCF 3 years ago.
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Mariners 20 plus years without playoffs.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Is this an April Fool’s joke? The Kings are the worst organization in all of sports. 16 straight years with no playoffs and that likely won’t change. Blazers were in WCF 3 years ago.
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Virtually everything I listed has changed in 3 years. The Blazers are better organization than the Kings, but they are closer to the Kings organization than the Warriors right now. Which one of my line items do you disagree with? They're pretty much all fact based assessments (minus the ownership)
 
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