Donovan Clingan Appreciation Thread (1 Viewer)

[BassPlaya]

Is he considered better than Eddy or whatever his name is yet?

Now that's goddamned funny right there............

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Everytime I check the boxscore these days, Clingan is in the minus and Rob is way in the plus. He doesn't seem to be helping us out there.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Is he considered better than Eddy or whatever his name is yet. Seemed like there were those out there who even at the beginning of this season felt he wasn’t.

He's certainly better than Edy while Edy is out injured. Which is possibly most of his career, given foot issues for giants are not good.

 

[wizenheimer]

Everytime I check the boxscore these days, Clingan is in the minus and Rob is way in the plus. He doesn't seem to be helping us out there.

*/- for single games is a useless stat

Williams has always been an advanced metric all-star. When he was on the Celtics the first time they played in the NBA finals he led the Celtics, in winshares. winshares/48, and BPM.

Clingan leads the Blazers in winshares and is 3rd in winshares/48. Williams is better than Deni in winshares/48 and BPM. He's also only averaging 16.7 minutes and not playing both games in B-2-B, so he doesn't have to pace himself

 

[Everything Beagle]

Everytime I check the boxscore these days, Clingan is in the minus and Rob is way in the plus. He doesn't seem to be helping us out there.

I think a lot of folks forget RWIII’s knees are the only reason he’s not an all star starting for a contender. When he plays at 100% he is better than Clingan.

Clingan has been flagging the last ten or fifteen games. Conditioning isn’t fully there yet; he’s been playing a bunch more than anyone expected going into the season.

He also has trouble with mobile centers and smaller guys. Since RWIII is exactly the right player in those situations, when Donovan struggles, RWIII usually thrives.

 

[ehizzy3]

I’ve been pretty pleased with both Clingan and Williams. Box scores won’t do Clingan justice for the impact he has.

Yang won’t be ready for minutes next year, I hope we resign rob he has been a great backup

 

[wizenheimer]

Clingan has been flagging the last ten or fifteen games. Conditioning isn’t fully there yet; he’s been playing a bunch more than anyone expected going into the season.

that doesn't really match his numbers though

in the month of February, he averaged:

* 14.3 points --> his highest PPG of the season
* 13.0 rebs --> his highest RPG of the season
* 3.1 assists --> his highest APG of the season
* a 2.43 assist/turnover ratio --> his best mark of the season
* 28.2 minutes --> his 2nd highest average of the season
* 55% on FG's --> 2nd best monthly mark of the season
* 46.5% on three's --> by far his best monthly mark of the season
* a .654 TS% --> 2nd highest of the season
* 2nd best off. rating and 2nd best def. rating of the year
* 2.3 blocks a game --> by far the best mark of the season

now, his numbers in March are mostly worse than February. But it has only been 4 games and 3 of those were on the road, so the sample size is probably skewed

 

[B-Roy]

I’ve been pretty pleased with both Clingan and Williams. Box scores won’t do Clingan justice for the impact he has.

Yang won’t be ready for minutes next year, I hope we resign rob he has been a great backup

I don't think it's a stretch to say Rob is more impactful in the minutes he plays. But both are good, and Rob's problem is that he can't play many minutes.

 

[blazerkor]

I don't think it's a stretch to say Rob is more impactful in the minutes he plays. But both are good, and Rob's problem is that he can't play many minutes.

I really hope we get a Rob type C that can split minutes with Clingan consistently and allow our coaches to set the terms of the mismatch instead of it being the other way around.

 

[Everything Beagle]

that doesn't really match his numbers though

in the month of February, he averaged:

* 14.3 points --> his highest PPG of the season
* 13.0 rebs --> his highest RPG of the season
* 3.1 assists --> his highest APG of the season
* a 2.43 assist/turnover ratio --> his best mark of the season
* 28.2 minutes --> his 2nd highest average of the season
* 55% on FG's --> 2nd best monthly mark of the season
* 46.5% on three's --> by far his best monthly mark of the season
* a .654 TS% --> 2nd highest of the season
* 2nd best off. rating and 2nd best def. rating of the year
* 2.3 blocks a game --> by far the best mark of the season

now, his numbers in March are mostly worse than February. But it has only been 4 games and 3 of those were on the road, so the sample size is probably skewed

Good call checking; i was going by memory which is obviously not perfect

 

[Everything Beagle]

I really hope we get a Rob type C that can split minutes with Clingan consistently and allow our coaches to set the terms of the mismatch instead of it being the other way around.

I mean if we can afford him I would like to keep RWIII. Knee recovery tech is rapidly improving and it’d be really nice if we just got to keep a rehabilitated Time Lord on the team.

 

[wizenheimer]

Good call checking; i was going by memory which is obviously not perfect

because he's almost exclusively a drop-coverage C, he's going to have games when he's less impactful. I think he's still inexperienced enough to let issues on defense or offense impact the other end of the floor

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I mean if we can afford him I would like to keep RWIII. Knee recovery tech is rapidly improving and it’d be really nice if we just got to keep a rehabilitated Time Lord on the team.

The only way we keep him is if his knees DON'T get fixed

 

[Everything Beagle]

The only way we keep him is if his knees DON'T get fixed

…until after we get him under contract

 

[Wizard Mentor]

 

[HailBlazers]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[RR7]

By the All Star break next season, Clingan is a top __ Center in the league? Fill in the blank.
Cs to consider...Jokic, Duren, Towns, Jarret Allen, Poetl, Bam, Embiid, Sarr, Vucevic, anthony Davis, Zubac, Hartenstein, Wemby, Ayton, Sengun, Gobert, Sabonis, Kessler, Edey

 

[Cugel]

Getting that ejection was the best thing he ever did. I want to say he will be top 6-10?? Jokic, Wemby, Sengun, Bam are all-stars. KAT is hard to figure out. Defensive liability. AD never plays. Sabonis seems like a PF. Kessler is good but missed a whole season. Same for Edey. Gobert is a great defender but aging. Poetl, Vuc, Zubac, Hart are all solid. Ayton is a trainwreck.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

By the All Star break next season, Clingan is a top __ Center in the league? Fill in the blank.
Cs to consider...Jokic, Duren, Towns, Jarret Allen, Poetl, Bam, Embiid, Sarr, Vucevic, anthony Davis, Zubac, Hartenstein, Wemby, Ayton, Sengun, Gobert, Sabonis, Kessler, Edey

Yeah that's interesting
Jokic Bam Wemby Sengun all clearly much better

Duren Towns Allen Embiid Zubac Gobert could have arguments either way so that puts Clingan somewhere from #5-#11 range.

Regardless he's better than most NBA teams starting center which is freaking impressive being the youngest of all these guys.

I couldn't help but chuckle seeing Ayton name - laughable some posters here were complaining about how we'd be in trouble going from Ayton > Clingan as our starter this season.

 

[wizenheimer]

By the All Star break next season, Clingan is a top __ Center in the league? Fill in the blank.
Cs to consider...Jokic, Duren, Towns, Jarret Allen, Poetl, Bam, Embiid, Sarr, Vucevic, anthony Davis, Zubac, Hartenstein, Wemby, Ayton, Sengun, Gobert, Sabonis, Kessler, Edey

Jokic, Wemby, and maybe Bam are in the top-tier. Embiid and AD would be but if availability is one of the main gauges, and it should be, those two are out of the top-tier....and probably disqualified from consideration altogether. (I said 'wut' when I saw that Embiid is now 32 years old...when did that happen; AD is 33)

* we saw Clingan and Gobert on the same floor last night, matched up against each other. Gobert still has an advantage as a rim-protector/shot-intimidator, but the gap has narrowed considerably. Clingan may have built a small advantage as a rebounder. And Clingan probably has an edge on offense because of his passing and 3 point shot. He's better as a high post hub. Gobert is more sure-handed in traffic; and he probably sets better screens than Clingan, but that's likely due to experience

anyway, if you put Clingan and Gobert on the 2nd tier, who should join them? Sengun for sure and maybe you say the top tier is simply a 2-unicorn tier of Jokic and Wemby with a secondary top-tier of Bam and Sengun, maybe because both of them are mobile enough to step out of drop-coverage, unlike Gobert and Clingan

and I would put Duren, KAT, Allen, and probably Zubac in the same tier as Gobert and Clingan. Sabonis (weak defense) and Kessler on a tier below although Kessler has developed an 'availability' issue himself. Same for Edey

adding ages:

Jokic 31.1
Wemby 22.2

Bam 28.7
Sengun 23.7

Allen 27.9
Clingan 22.0
Duren 22.3
Gobert 33.7
KAT 30.3
Zubac 29.0

(Embiid 32.0; AD 33.0; Sabonis 29.9; Kessler 24.7; Hartenstein 29.9; Ayton 27.7; Sarr 20.9; Edey 23.8...Sarr could climb up the ladder fast; so could edey if he can stay healthy))

there's a top-10. If it makes sense to switch out Zubac for Sabonis, fine. Clingan in a 3rd tier, but the gap between his tier and the 2nd tier is a lot smaller than the gap between the 2nd tier and the pair of unicorns. Maybe Clingan and Duren should be in a tier above because of their ages; a much bigger upside.

so Clingan is definitely top-10; possibly top-6. But that's now. 11 months from now? well, if he improves as much between his 2nd and 3rd season as he did between his 1st and 2nd season.....cross fingers. Kind of wild that Wemby-Clingan-Duren have all just turned 22

 

[Freshtown]

 

[julius]

Imagine how much more open it'll be for him if they have shooters.

 

[blazerfan11]

Jokic, Wemby, and maybe Bam are in the top-tier. Embiid and AD would be but if availability is one of the main gauges, and it should be, those two are out of the top-tier....and probably disqualified from consideration altogether. (I said 'wut' when I saw that Embiid is now 32 years old...when did that happen; AD is 33)

* we saw Clingan and Gobert on the same floor last night, matched up against each other. Gobert still has an advantage as a rim-protector/shot-intimidator, but the gap has narrowed considerably. Clingan may have built a small advantage as a rebounder. And Clingan probably has an edge on offense because of his passing and 3 point shot. He's better as a high post hub. Gobert is more sure-handed in traffic; and he probably sets better screens than Clingan, but that's likely due to experience

anyway, if you put Clingan and Gobert on the 2nd tier, who should join them? Sengun for sure and maybe you say the top tier is simply a 2-unicorn tier of Jokic and Wemby with a secondary top-tier of Bam and Sengun, maybe because both of them are mobile enough to step out of drop-coverage, unlike Gobert and Clingan

and I would put Duren, KAT, Allen, and probably Zubac in the same tier as Gobert and Clingan. Sabonis (weak defense) and Kessler on a tier below although Kessler has developed an 'availability' issue himself. Same for Edey

adding ages:

Jokic 31.1
Wemby 22.2

Bam 28.7
Sengun 23.7

Allen 27.9
Clingan 22.0
Duren 22.3
Gobert 33.7
KAT 30.3
Zubac 29.0

(Embiid 32.0; AD 33.0; Sabonis 29.9; Kessler 24.7; Hartenstein 29.9; Ayton 27.7; Sarr 20.9; Edey 23.8...Sarr could climb up the ladder fast; so could edey if he can stay healthy))

there's a top-10. If it makes sense to switch out Zubac for Sabonis, fine. Clingan in a 3rd tier, but the gap between his tier and the 2nd tier is a lot smaller than the gap between the 2nd tier and the pair of unicorns. Maybe Clingan and Duren should be in a tier above because of their ages; a much bigger upside.

so Clingan is definitely top-10; possibly top-6. But that's now. 11 months from now? well, if he improves as much between his 2nd and 3rd season as he did between his 1st and 2nd season.....cross fingers. Kind of wild that Wemby-Clingan-Duren have all just turned 22

Where would Clingan be in a re-draft of the 2024 draft?

Since there's no superstar, a team needing a paint protector might choose Clingan #1 in a re-draft. I think it would depend on the team drafting.

 

[julius]

Where would Clingan be in a re-draft of the 2024 draft?

Since there's no superstar, a team needing a paint protector might choose Clingan #1 in a re-draft. I think it would depend on the team drafting.

The only player you could argue should go ahead of him is Castle, and even that isn't 100%.

He'd easily go 2-4, if not 1-4. That's not to say Sarr or Risacher are busts by any stretch (and they could still end up being better long term).

He's a good example of patience paying off. Which is saying a lot since his rookie year wasn't that bad to begin with. But no one, and I say with all the bass in my voice, no one thought he'd be 16-15-2 per 36's let alone be able to play 30+ minutes a night this soon.

 

[wizenheimer]

The only player you could argue should go ahead of him is Castle, and even that isn't 100%.

He'd easily go 2-4, if not 1-4. That's not to say Sarr or Risacher are busts by any stretch (and they could still end up being better long term).

He's a good example of patience paying off. Which is saying a lot since his rookie year wasn't that bad to begin with. But no one, and I say with all the bass in my voice, no one thought he'd be 16-15-2 per 36's let alone be able to play 30+ minutes a night this soon.

the 'nearly' 30 minutes isn't surprising. Not after how he played over the last 20-25 games last season while getting major minutes. Using those games as a gauge, him averaging 12 & 12 this season isn't that surprising although his ability to have some big scoring games might be a surprise

where he's at now compared to what I though he was going to be before the 2024 draft is a huge gap. I would have never expected him to be as good as he is. I thought his drop-coverage limitation would be a more significant weakness than it has been.

clearly he's the 2nd best player on the roster. And in terms of impact he might actually be as good as Deni...or better

 

[wizenheimer]

Imagine how much more open it'll be for him if they have shooters.

the 'Whiteside' delusion?

 

[Everything Beagle]

the 'nearly' 30 minutes isn't surprising. Not after how he played over the last 20-25 games last season while getting major minutes. Using those games as a gauge, him averaging 12 & 12 this season isn't that surprising although his ability to have some big scoring games might be a surprise

where he's at now compared to what I though he was going to be before the 2024 draft is a huge gap. I would have never expected him to be as good as he is. I thought his drop-coverage limitation would be a more significant weakness than it has been.

clearly he's the 2nd best player on the roster. And in terms of impact he might actually be as good as Deni...or better

Donovan runs the defense, and is visibly refining his offensive game by the week. His last 14 games since the ASG have been another level from even this season before the ASG. His 3P% is cromulent now, his FT% is decent for a big guy, and the team is starting to run simple plays for him as a trailer for a driving wing like Deni, which helps him and Deni both. I'm pleased with how far along he is already.

He's definitely our second best player overall, and depending on the night and matchup might be the best player out there.

 

[julius]

the 'Whiteside' delusion?

I think the difference is, Whiteside was all about Whiteside (that almost sounds like an accusation of racism, doesn't it??). I don't blame Whiteside for that, it got him a HUGE contract...but he never adapted his game to the changing NBA.

And unless your name is Shaquille O'neal, you need to adapt your game to the modern NBA.

 

[julius]

Donovan runs the defense, and is visibly refining his offensive game by the week. His last 14 games since the ASG have been another level from even this season before the ASG. His 3P% is cromulent now, his FT% is decent for a big guy, and the team is starting to run simple plays for him as a trailer for a driving wing like Deni, which helps him and Deni both. I'm pleased with how far along he is already.

He's definitely our second best player overall, and depending on the night and matchup might be the best player out there.

To save @THE HCP the hassle, that just means acceptable.

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I had to look it up too John