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EL PRESIDENTE said:
Its the stars and stripes pattern. It isn't a flag. Using a part of the flag would mean that you use the flag itself as a cape or something along those lines.

If each jersey was made using an American Flag and then cutting out the appropriate patterns and then stitching it into the uniform as the player number, you'd have a point.
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You're completely forgetting the recruiting symbol of patriotism when the call to arms arises in wartime America.....Uncle Sam!
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julius said:
read the code. It says no PART of a flag can be used as a part of a costume or uniform. It doesn't mean "oh well, if you just have the stars and stripes pattern, all is peachy keen".

The stars and stripes are part of the flag. It doesn't mean just a physical flag, as they say it's not supposed to be used as any kind of advertisement.

"The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."
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The stars and stripes are a pattern. It happens to be on a flag. The flag is a physical product.

In any case, those rules were probably written by slave owners, so who gives a shit anyway.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
The stars and stripes are a pattern. It happens to be on a flag. The flag is a physical product.

In any case, those rules were probably written by slave owners, so who gives a shit anyway.
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I'm guessing Ted Nugent and maybe Kid Rock....
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
What a scam.
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It's your ticket to security, guns, the whole shebang...you won't have to worry about crackazz poppin' a cap in your azz.....you'll be in the National Guard with a helmet and tear gas....talk about safety! You know you've been leading up to a career in the mercenary field...
 
riverman said:
It's your ticket to security, guns, the whole shebang...you won't have to worry about crackazz poppin' a cap in your azz.....you'll be in the National Guard with a helmet and tear gas....talk about safety! You know you've been leading up to a career in the mercenary field...
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I'm more of a middle man.
 
MickZagger said:
I’m a huge Ted Nugent fan. The musician.

The person is a huge tool bag who I don’t think even believes half the shit he says but is just one of those dumbasses who enjoys listening to themselves talk.
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I only know his one hit...Cat Scratch Fever and I've seen him on his big game hunting shows here and there....I know he likes Trump...that's about it...
 
Lanny said:
I've got a 20 ft. lighted flagpole with a gold American Eagle on the top. I fly the flag 24 hours every day proudly. I'd take a knee at an outdoor singing of our National Anthem with my hand over my heart or my hat over my left shoulder if my disability would allow it. I sing the Anthem and I sing America the Beautiful although it really ain't too pretty. I don't like the racism one tiny bit but I still love the flag.
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Completely well said, Lanny. Quite frankly, I love that compromise.

MY OP was based on (completely stand-up [no pun intended] guy Drew Brees' comments, but I really haven't been following the entire flag issue all that much. Just whose attention are the players trying to capture, and what has to happen before they end the protest...if ever?

I just know that our American Flag is all over the place - cemeteries, public civic buildings, private buildings, schools, homes, you name it. I just hate seeing it seemingly dishonored in this matter. But, whatever.

Is this a statement on historic slavery? In their minds, does our American flag somehow stand for white supremacy, systemic racism, and the like? What started it all?

Anyway, the whole kneeling thing, with the hand over the heart, singing, etc. sounds right.
 
MickZagger said:
I do too. And I’m a Trump hating Democrat.

it’s funny though how the Republican Party has portrayed itself as more patriotic.
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Not me. This flag thing goes way back with me. It's just really sad to me that it (the American flag) now is considered some type of lighting rod that seemingly is suppose to be making some other type of statement.
 
julius said:
Not sure a white guy is the guy who is the one to tell others the best way to bring recognition to racial equality and social justice.
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Every President since LBJ to Lincoln has had to deal with this racism pandemic. And now our American Flag is the fix-it solution? Hmmmm. IMO, the cure begins in our homes and our schools. It's a GREAT place to start and I believe needs more emphasis. I posted a personal letter from my sister in another thread regarding my mom & dad. The way I was brought up has EVERYTHING to do with how I treat others - white, black, brown, or otherwise. That said, I think I'll post it again here just because:

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My older sis just sent this to some of our family members, and other friends. It's written about my Dad & Mom. Most of it I already knew, but some of this I was unaware of. The reason I'm sharing it here is because I've always been so proud of my folks...the sacrifices they made, and love they have for their fellow/brother man. They've always been models to me. They're both in heaven now. I still miss them....

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I've been thinking a lot about Mom and Dad during this time of racial unrest. I remember a similar time in Portland around 1964. I was in nursing school, living at Emanuel Hospital school of Nursing. This was during the time President Kennedy ( 1963) and Martin Luther King were assassinated.

The streets were packed with protests around the country, and yes there was some violence. In Portland it was manifested by rock throwing and stores burning.

Dad was pastor of a church that he had shepherded in Lake Oswego for five years. The church had just built a new building and Dad and Mom were busy with young families building the church.

Mom and Dad got a newsletter that went out to all the churches and they found out a Black church in North Portland was struggling. The pastor's wife had cancer.

Mom and Dad were wondering how the Black church was doing during this time of racial unrest

They wanted to know how the Black people were thinking and feeling. So one Sunday they took off from their church and went to visit the Black church (the one with the wife who had cancer), which at that time was meeting in a house.

They bonded with that little group of people so Dad resigned his Lake Oswego church and they joined themselves with the North Portland church. They ended up loving and working with that little church over the next 40 years.

Dad had a Master of Divinity that he had worked all my growing up years to attain (from when I was about 8 til I was 15). But he joined the African American Church as a support person and helped (as an elder and associate pastor, often a mentor to the young Black pastors), but he never took the lead pastor position for which he was well qualified. The church started a child care program under the Model Cities program and Dad was in charge of that and Mom worked there at times.

Many years before that when Dad was in his 20s he had a job at Vanport ship yards( during world war two years) and he said a man at work hit a black man over the head with a crowbar for no reason and my dad never got over that. ( he said the man was disciplined by a supervisor but Dad just couldn't believe his eyes!)

Maybe that added into his decision to give up his church in the suburb of Lake Oswego and join himself and Mom to the small black congregation. I'm sure His faith in Jesus and the teachings that we are our brother's keeper was his primary motivation

Anyway just wanted to share this with all of you. I know you all have kind hearts and a strong sense of social justice (wanting to fight for equality for all) and that you come by it from a legacy of Dad and Mom who led the way!!

Lots of love always!



PS: These are good:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-kids-coronavirus-school-closures/3128780001/

https://www.gse.upenn.edu/news/talking-children-after-racial-incidents
 
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ABM said:
Not me. This flag thing goes way back with me. It's just really sad to me that it (the American flag) now is considered some type of lighting rod that seemingly is suppose to be making some other type of statement.
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The flag has symbolized imperialism, oppression, racism, etc. for it's entire existence... this is nothing new.
 
GoBlazersGo said:
The flag has symbolized imperialism, oppression, racism, etc. for it's entire existence... this is nothing new.
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Well, I certainly missed that memo.
 
GoBlazersGo said:
The flag has symbolized imperialism, oppression, racism, etc. for it's entire existence... this is nothing new.
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Hmm... seems to me the original flag was made and create by a newly formed country directly aimed at FIGHTING imperialism. The English?

The Flags original intent was just, even if the creators still had issues, like race preference and colonizing.

But the intent was just. to provide equality for all and freedoms of certain alienable rights.

With that said, the constitution was fucked. When it was written, The right to vote originally said the Black slave only counted as 3/5ths a person.


http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/thirteenthamendment.html

So yes, major issues back then, but coming from imperial oppression, The flag and constitution had a just and positive intent. And was the initiation of freedom around the world. Until then, no one had put on paper the rights of the people.
 
ABM said:
Every President since LBJ to Lincoln has had to deal with this racism pandemic. And now our American Flag is the fix-it solution? Hmmmm. IMO, the cure begins in our homes and our schools. It's a GREAT place to start and I believe needs more emphasis. I posted a personal letter from my sister in another thread regarding my mom & dad. The way I was brought up has EVERYTHING to do with how I treat others - white, black, brown, or otherwise. That said, I think I'll post it again here just because:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

My older sis just sent this to some of our family members, and other friends. It's written about my Dad & Mom. Most of it I already knew, but some of this I was unaware of. The reason I'm sharing it here is because I've always been so proud of my folks...the sacrifices they made, and love they have for their fellow/brother man. They've always been models to me. They're both in heaven now. I still miss them....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I've been thinking a lot about Mom and Dad during this time of racial unrest. I remember a similar time in Portland around 1964. I was in nursing school, living at Emanuel Hospital school of Nursing. This was during the time President Kennedy ( 1963) and Martin Luther King were assassinated.

The streets were packed with protests around the country, and yes there was some violence. In Portland it was manifested by rock throwing and stores burning.

Dad was pastor of a church that he had shepherded in Lake Oswego for five years. The church had just built a new building and Dad and Mom were busy with young families building the church.

Mom and Dad got a newsletter that went out to all the churches and they found out a Black church in North Portland was struggling. The pastor's wife had cancer.

Mom and Dad were wondering how the Black church was doing during this time of racial unrest

They wanted to know how the Black people were thinking and feeling. So one Sunday they took off from their church and went to visit the Black church (the one with the wife who had cancer), which at that time was meeting in a house.

They bonded with that little group of people so Dad resigned his Lake Oswego church and they joined themselves with the North Portland church. They ended up loving and working with that little church over the next 40 years.

Dad had a Master of Divinity that he had worked all my growing up years to attain (from when I was about 8 til I was 15). But he joined the African American Church as a support person and helped (as an elder and associate pastor, often a mentor to the young Black pastors), but he never took the lead pastor position for which he was well qualified. The church started a child care program under the Model Cities program and Dad was in charge of that and Mom worked there at times.

Many years before that when Dad was in his 20s he had a job at Vanport ship yards( during world war two years) and he said a man at work hit a black man over the head with a crowbar for no reason and my dad never got over that. ( he said the man was disciplined by a supervisor but Dad just couldn't believe his eyes!)

Maybe that added into his decision to give up his church in the suburb of Lake Oswego and join himself and Mom to the small black congregation. I'm sure His faith in Jesus and the teachings that we are our brother's keeper was his primary motivation

Anyway just wanted to share this with all of you. I know you all have kind hearts and a strong sense of social justice (wanting to fight for equality for all) and that you come by it from a legacy of Dad and Mom who led the way!!

Lots of love always!



PS: These are good:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-kids-coronavirus-school-closures/3128780001/

https://www.gse.upenn.edu/news/talking-children-after-racial-incidents
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That's a nice story, (tho Kennedy was killed in 63, and MLK was killed in 68, so her timeline seemed a little weird).

But what does that to do with anything I said?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Fuck, how could he be so blind to not know this would be an issue BEFORE posting it?

This apology is all about trying to avoid being blackballed by teamates and the league.
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It was a non apology apology. People do it all the time. They offer up tone deaf platitudes, and really are sorry people reacted the way they did, and not actually that they are sorry/apologetic for what they said/did.

His agents words aren't his.
 
julius said:
It was a non apology apology. People do it all the time. They offer up tone deaf platitudes, and really are sorry people reacted the way they did, and not actually that they are sorry/apologetic for what they said/did.

His agents words aren't his.
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Agreed. May I just point out, my message to you was not that. ;)

But yeah. You dont just flip the switch like that in 24 hours. Its all about PR, not his belief.
 
julius said:
That's a nice story, (tho Kennedy was killed in 63, and MLK was killed in 68, so her timeline seemed a little weird).

But what does that to do with anything I said?
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Alternative facts from an alternative citizen, lol.
 
julius said:
That's a nice story, (tho Kennedy was killed in 63, and MLK was killed in 68, so her timeline seemed a little weird).

But what does that to do with anything I said?
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I think she was in nursing school the entire time.

OK, sorry about that. I suppose I didn't directly respond to your comments. Yet, I did want to relate the story about my father showing tremendous courage (as a "white guy") and fortitude going directly into the Portland Black community - moreover, during incredibly racially divided times (Watts riots, MLK, etc. - to help bring unity and healing.

(I remember, as a 12-year-old in '69 & '70, my dad, mom, and me driving up Williams and Vancouver Ave.'s on our way to church...bars on store windows, people on the streets looking at this pasty white family driving through their neighborhoods...and, honestly, being a bit - actually, quite a bit - scared.)

Dozens of Black folks came to his funeral/memorial to honor and bear testimony of his love and efforts of over 40 years. In fact, it was the Black pastor of that church who delivered the touching eulogy.

All this said to bear witness that sometimes....just sometimes...our protests and hopeful cures can be carried out.....one person at a time. His was.
 
ABM said:
I think she was in nursing school the entire time.

OK, sorry about that. I suppose I didn't directly respond to your comments. Yet, I did want to relate the story about my father showing tremendous courage (as a "white guy") and fortitude going directly into the Portland Black community - moreover, during incredibly racially divided times (Watts riots, MLK, etc. - to help bring unity and healing.

(I remember, as a 12-year-old in '69 & '70, my dad, mom, and me driving up Williams and Vancouver Ave.'s on our way to church...bars on store windows, people on the streets looking at this pasty white family driving through their neighborhoods...and, honestly, being a bit - actually, quite a bit - scared.)

Dozens of Black folks came to his funeral/memorial to honor and bear testimony of his love and efforts of over 40 years. In fact, it was the Black pastor of that church who delivered the touching eulogy.

All this said to bear witness that sometimes....just sometimes...our protests and hopeful cures can be carried out.....one person at a time. His was.
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Yet for all your father’s efforts (for which he is to be commended) it’s so very obvious that absolutely nothing has changed in the 50+ years since then. We can’t look back on stuff that didn’t work a half a century ago. We have to look forward to making sure that a half a century from now we can look back and say “WTF????”.
 
I look at patriotism similarly to religion. It’s a political measure. It’s a fake, made up excuse to hate or like someone. It’s become associated with the right, while at the same time they sure act like some of the most unpatriotic and UNreligious people I know. How can you be patriotic and a “real American” and hate different cultures? How can you be a worshiper of Christ and Trump? It’s all a facade to hide behind.
 
calvin natt said:
How can you be a worshiper of Christ and Trump?
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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Yet for all your father’s efforts (for which he is to be commended) it’s so very obvious that absolutely nothing has changed in the 50+ years since then. We can’t look back on stuff that didn’t work a half a century ago. We have to look forward to making sure that a half a century from now we can look back and say “WTF????”.
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Then, when folks seem to try to do the right thing.....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...picture-protestor-hugging-police-officer.html
 
calvin natt said:
I look at patriotism similarly to religion. It’s a political measure. It’s a fake, made up excuse to hate or like someone. It’s become associated with the right, while at the same time they sure act like some of the most unpatriotic and UNreligious people I know. How can you be patriotic and a “real American” and hate different cultures? How can you be a worshiper of Christ and Trump? It’s all a facade to hide behind.
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It's the GOP's MO.

Like how Trump went to multiple churches for photo ops this week to look like a good Christian. Or how he repeatedly claimed to reopen America on Easter. Let's be real here, there is only one place he's gonna end up after dying-- and it doesn't have pearly gates at the entrance, no matter how much he says otherwise. Or how Pence in Indiana enabled bigotry against the LGBT community with his "Religious Freedom Restoration Act." I was here when businesses started leaving the state after that bullshit. Every one of my neighbors had a PENCE MUST GO sign in their yards, but this MFer ended up one missed heartbeat from the Whitehouse.

It's all a play to placate their fanatical base who are so blinded by the propaganda on Fox News that they can't see the truth. But the spineless enablers in the Senate is what worries me most. If these selfish fucks could stop worrying about their own re-election while lying thru their teeth, that could effectively muzzle the idiot president. But that remains to be seen whether there is even ONE honest GOP member left in this country.
 
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julius said:
I'm glad someone shows respect for the flag.



And Im sure ABM and Drew are both going to demand these shirts/uniforms stop being made.
[GALLERY=media, 318]5dc1798309247_440658b by julius posted Jun 3, 2020 at 10:42 PM[/GALLERY]

since you know, “No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.” (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8#:~:text=The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but,always allowed to fall free.&text=No part of the flag,a costume or athletic uniform.)

But strangely enough, I don't hear anyone complaining about 'disrespect' to the flag there. Hm, I wonder why. Qwhite the conundrum we got there.
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Edit to previous post: add @julius to the funny motherfuckers list.
 
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