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Jade Falcon said:
....the people throwing a shit flip because Brees dares to have an opinion other than the one they want him to have?
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So Brees is allowed to have an opinion, but the people who disagree with him aren't? We could rephrase this as "Why are you throwing a shit flip because Brees' critics dare to have an opinion other than the one you want them to have?"

Right-wingers are really big on "freedom of speech," right up until their right-wing icons get blow-back and then suddenly it's "How dare people have opinions?" Freedom of speech does not mean the right to say whatever you want free from counter-arguments and criticism.
 
So Brees is allowed to have an opinion, but the people who disagree with him aren't?
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Nobody here said that. I certainly didn't. Stop projecting.

We could rephrase this as "Why are you throwing a shit flip because Brees' critics dare to have an opinion other than the one you want them to have?"
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I don't want them to have any other opinion than the one they want. But I DO want differentiating opinions to be respected instead of shamed. Like Drew Brees' opinion. Doesn't seem like you respect his opinion very much.

Freedom of speech does not mean the right to say whatever you want free from counter-arguments and criticism.
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Tell that to the Left. They seem to be the ones throwing a shit flip over Brees' opinions. Stop going in circles with this. This started because Brees voiced an opinion that isn't shared by others. You can disagree with his opinion, but don't shame him for it, and don't deflect away from it by blaming "right wingers" for some perceived disrespect when nothing of a kind was voiced here. This whole "call anyone you disagree with racist, nazi, and privileged" bullshit is getting real old, and this lumping "right-wingers" into it is also just as bad.

Personally speaking, I don't listen to ANYONE who is a millionaire about anything, and neither should anyone else. They don't live in our everyday world; they live in gated communities being fawned over by the media and millions of fans. Stop giving them more attention than they deserve, regardless of what side they're on.
 
Jade Falcon said:
I don't want them to have any other opinion than the one they want. But I DO want differentiating opinions to be respected instead of shamed. Like Drew Brees' opinion.
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"Respecting" or "shaming" an opinion is part of the other person's opinion. You can't say "I want people to have their own opinion, as long as that opinion is respecting Brees' opinion." If people don't respect it, that's their opinion. If they consider Brees' opinion shameful...that's their opinion.

Tell that to the Left. They seem to be the ones throwing a shit flip over Brees' opinions.
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Just like you're "throwing a shit flip" over their opinions. And that's cool. You get to have your opinion, even if it's a "shit flip throwing" (weird expression, by the way) opinion. Brees gets to have his opinion. And Brees' detractors get to have their opinion. Even if that opinion is that Brees' opinion is shameful.

Were you pitching a fit like this when conservatives were blasting and "shaming" Colin Kaepernick? I sure don't remember you doing so. I'll bet you were thumbs-upping all that. Let me guess--Trump "throwing a shit flip" over Kaepernick disgusted you, right? Sure.

The "left" is fine with you or Brees having your opinions. The "left" is just going to have their own opinions about yours and Brees' opinions. Everyone gets to have their opinions.
 
Minstrel said:
"Respecting" or "shaming" an opinion is part of the other person's opinion. You can't say "I want people to have their own opinion, as long as that opinion is respecting Brees' opinion." If people don't respect it, that's their opinion. If they consider Brees' opinion shameful...that's their opinion.



Just like you're "throwing a shit flip" over their opinions. And that's cool. You get to have your opinion, even if it's a "shit flip throwing" (weird expression, by the way) opinion. Brees gets to have his opinion. And Brees' detractors get to have their opinion. Even if that opinion is that Brees' opinion is shameful.

Were you pitching a fit like this when conservatives were blasting and "shaming" Colin Kaepernick? I sure don't remember you doing so. I'll bet you were thumbs-upping all that. Let me guess--Trump "throwing a shit flip" over Kaepernick disgusted you, right? Sure.

The "left" is fine with you or Brees having your opinions. The "left" is just going to have their own opinions about yours and Brees' opinions. Everyone gets to have their opinions.
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LOL. Okay. So you're pissy that someone who is Right of Lenin is disagreeing with the Left for shaming people. Gotcha. Thank you for clarifying. I don't run around in circles on this topic; I call it like it is. But you do you. Have fun.
 
Jade Falcon said:
LOL. Okay. So you're pissy that someone who is Right of Lenin is disagreeing with the Left for shaming people.
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I'm not pissy at all. As I said, I'm cool with you having your opinion. I'm just pointing out that you're being hypocritical.

Hypocritical opinions aren't uncommon, though.
 
Minstrel said:
I'm not pissy at all. As I said, I'm cool with you having your opinion. I'm just pointing out that you're being hypocritical.

Hypocritical opinions aren't uncommon, though.
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I'm sorry, but calling people racist because they disagree with you or vote Right isn't an opinion worth supporting. It's juvenile and wrong. Shaming Brees for his opinion is no different. Calling that out is no hypocrisy. It SHOULD be called out, just like genuine racists should be called out in abundance. I've done both, so it CAN be done, and it REALLY isn't hard to do.

And may I just take a moment to whine for my own sake.....I can't win no matter where I go, or what I do. If I go to a Right-based firearms forum, half of the members there are either closeted racists, sucking Trump off blindly with no shame, whining about Left-wing sports icons, or forwarding conspiracy theories about the stupidest shit to fit their rhetoric. Yet, if I go to a Left-based sports forum, it's full of people screaming in threads, making shit up to validate their feelings (which is what they use first, instead of reason and logic), accusing people of things they didn't say because of assumptions, and eventually I'll be called a racist, or accused of being a Klansman because of my supposed privilege or because I vote on a Conservative platform.

If I don't join in protests, people on the Left will call me a racist because they assume I don't agree with their viewpoints. If I join in the protests, people on the Right will call me an ANTIFA terrorist or lump me in with some other Left-wing douchebag.

I can't win. Which is why I never try. I miss how united this country was after 9/11. Hell, we were already starting to unite better during COVID-19. Now we're just back to being tribal. I hate this shit, all sides of it.

Sometimes I think the Joker was right.

/rant off.
 
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If you go further left than the furthest left, or further right than the furthest right, you can just get everyone to hate you!
 
Jade Falcon said:
I'm sorry, but calling people racist because they disagree with you or vote Right isn't an opinion worth supporting. It's juvenile and wrong. Shaming Brees for his opinion is no different.
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Very little of the criticism of Brees was calling him a racist. Most of it was calling him ignorant. There's a massive difference.

Calling that out is no hypocrisy.
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Calling out opinions you disagree with is a totally reasonable. Calling out opinions you disagree with while at the same time arguing that other people shouldn't be calling out someone's (Brees') opinion is hypocritical.

As for your rant, if you over-generalize, of course it feels like you're always being victimized. I almost never see anyone on this forum being called a racist. I certainly didn't call you a racist for agreeing with Brees (nor did I or anyone else call ABM a racist for starting this thread to support Brees).
 
Jade Falcon said:
LOL. Okay. So you're pissy that someone who is Right of Lenin is disagreeing with the Left for shaming people. Gotcha. Thank you for clarifying. I don't run around in circles on this topic; I call it like it is. But you do you. Have fun.
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Shaming people for no good reason is a specialty of the far Right.
 
Minstrel said:
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As for your rant, if you over-generalize, of course it feels like you're always being victimized. I almost never see anyone on this forum being called a racist. I certainly didn't call you a racist for agreeing with Brees (nor did I or anyone else call ABM a racist for starting this thread to support Brees).
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I think a good thing to remember, not for you specifically, but generically, with racism is that too many people think of racism as actively shouting the N word, wearing a robe, beating, hunting down, etc. black people. Basically, ACTIVE racism. Then there is the covert or passive racism.

Is someone on here burning crosses? No.
Is someone questioning what a black man is doing jogging in a neighborhood that isn't his own? Guess what. Racism. Did you call him a slur? No. Did you decide where he can and cant run based on the color of his skin? Yep. It feels like a Jeff Foxworthy sketch.

If you ...you might be a racist.
 
RR7 said:
I think a good thing to remember, not for you specifically, but generically, with racism is that too many people think of racism as actively shouting the N word, wearing a robe, beating, hunting down, etc. black people. Basically, ACTIVE racism. Then there is the covert or passive racism.

Is someone on here burning crosses? No.
Is someone questioning what a black man is doing jogging in a neighborhood that isn't his own? Guess what. Racism. Did you call him a slur? No. Did you decide where he can and cant run based on the color of his skin? Yep. It feels like a Jeff Foxworthy sketch.

If you ...you might be a racist.
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I do think "racist" tends to be a harsh term for people who don't actively have any negative feelings for people of color and wouldn't consciously discriminate against others. People who just lack the awareness of racial dynamics and how secondary effects of policies or enforcement effect other people I usually refer to as something like having problematic racial attitudes. I've used that term before on this forum and it's not, for me, a polite way to call someone a racist but rather a differentiation between people who actively view minorities differently and those who are just oblivious to the very different experience of being white versus non-white in this society.
 
Lanny said:
Shaming people for no good reason is a specialty of the far Right.
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Yes, the FAR Right are assholes. Tell me something I don't know. I've argued with way more of those cocksuckers than I have anyone on the Left.
 
RR7 said:
If you go further left than the furthest left, or further right than the furthest right, you can just get everyone to hate you!
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very true. extreme either way is crazy! One blows up military recruiting centers and the other abortion clinics!
 
Jade Falcon said:
I'm sorry, but calling people racist because they disagree with you or vote Right isn't an opinion worth supporting. It's juvenile and wrong. Shaming Brees for his opinion is no different. Calling that out is no hypocrisy. It SHOULD be called out, just like genuine racists should be called out in abundance. I've done both, so it CAN be done, and it REALLY isn't hard to do.

And may I just take a moment to whine for my own sake.....I can't win no matter where I go, or what I do. If I go to a Right-based firearms forum, half of the members there are either closeted racists, sucking Trump off blindly with no shame, whining about Left-wing sports icons, or forwarding conspiracy theories about the stupidest shit to fit their rhetoric. Yet, if I go to a Left-based sports forum, it's full of people screaming in threads, making shit up to validate their feelings (which is what they use first, instead of reason and logic), accusing people of things they didn't say because of assumptions, and eventually I'll be called a racist, or accused of being a Klansman because of my supposed privilege or because I vote on a Conservative platform.

If I don't join in protests, people on the Left will call me a racist because they assume I don't agree with their viewpoints. If I join in the protests, people on the Right will call me an ANTIFA terrorist or lump me in with some other Left-wing douchebag.

I can't win. Which is why I never try. I miss how united this country was after 9/11. Hell, we were already starting to unite better during COVID-19. Now we're just back to being tribal. I hate this shit, all sides of it.

Sometimes I think the Joker was right.

/rant off.
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I don’t care if you’re left, right, up and down or side to side. If your logic is warped it’s up for dissertation
 
Shaboid said:
Who ever said anything against community townhall meetings/workgroups?

I just don't understand how anyone is able to tell another person how to PEACEFULLY prostest.
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I'm not, actually. I was simply making suggestions as to how they might make their protests go a lot further moving forward. I do understand the spirit of this thread, though, and the overall complaint against Drew Brees. Actually, way in the beginning of the thread, I agreed with @Lanny who essentially advocated having hand over heart, singing the anthem, yet still taking a knee with the others. Respect and honor all boiled into one.
 
riverman said:
give me a break......you are doing the Amway salesman thing again....fishing with questions...make a statement and stand by it.....a condescending question at that....is it simply a Trump induced phenomenon..? No..(As if you didn't know that or know I knew that)..Trump didn't invent white privilege...he just enables it with his words and you get to swallow that with your vote and feel however you feel about it...stay with me here....you really want to isolate racial profiling in defense of bad behavior? Talk about boorish post we need to move on from...yours here was a doozy and you should consider that "blind partisanship" tag closely...it applies...Harvey Weinstein didn't invent sexual harrassment either but hey....he's certainly guilty of it...try dealing with tangibles here...it's not a mystery...human injustice has been around for centuries so that makes it somehow...ok? Unimportant? Blown out of proportion? The truth IS the truth
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My post still stands and the question, while rhetorical, was legitimate. And you stating that Trump is enabling white privilege is flat-out wrong.

I've probably had 20 posts in here stating, and re-stating my positions on the subject. I think you're smart enough to know where I've been coming from.
 
ABM said:
And you stating that Trump is enabling white privilege is flat-out wrong.
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the whole planet disagrees with you on this one....Trump is the worst enabler of bad social behavior we've ever had in DC....I've read enough of your posts to know you have an inherent need to sweep Trump's horrible leanings under the rug and prop up as much reasonable doubt around him as you can dig up....tough job ...but you're clearly on the wrong side of history...Trump has enabled bad behavior and made lying the status quo....yeah....I have opinions about that.What's flat out wrong is cheering him on for any reason. Of all the choices we make in a life...Trump is a bad, uninformed choice. Donald Trump is the poster boy for white privilege and a vote for Trump is a vote for exactly that
 
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People just need to tune Trump out and focus on positive ways to bring people together as Americans.
Lets have a no politics allowed muti cultural rock festival where there is peace and love!
What tribe to you belong too?
 
Hoopguru said:
People just need to tune Trump out and focus on positive ways to bring people together as Americans.
Lets have a no politics allowed muti cultural rock festival where there is peace and love!
What tribe to you belong too?
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The first step in this is tuning him out by vote....positivity should be the message from the top, unfortunately it's the opposite. People are giving me new hope this last week though...if they have to confront government or police state abuse...they will
 
riverman said:
The first step in this is tuning him out by vote....positivity should be the message from the top, unfortunately it's the opposite. People are giving me new hope this last week though...if they have to confront government or police state abuse...they will
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Agree. Lets hope Joe overwhelmingly convinces the electorate change is a needed.
 
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