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MarAzul said:
You need to understand shades Barf. Empathy can not often out weigh logic. Unless of course your judgment is out of tune.
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Empathy and logic are not at odds.

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A case in point.

A victim of a pedophile grows up with such enormous empathy for victims of pedophiles that he spends his entire adult life torturing dozens upon dozens of pedophiles to death.

In truth, people lacking empathy usually lack all other emotions also.
 
dviss1 said:
The guy you voted for colluded with the country that started the Cuban Missile Crisis to win the election and you want to equate that to Barack?

C'mon now.
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1st off ive never voted for the sole purpose of being able to troll both sides in good conscience. Second off not being a born citizen is in the official rule book. Trust me its not worth your time, they had solid proof berry wasnt fit for office and waisted 8 years of their lives thinking they had the power to impeach him. Trump is trolling your time and resources and you dont even realize it.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
1st off ive never voted for the sole purpose of being able to troll both sides in good conscience. Second off not being a born citizen is in the official rule book. Trust me its not worth your time, they had solid proof berry wasnt fit for office and waisted 8 years of their lives thinking they had the power to impeach him. Trump is trolling your time and resources and you dont even realize it.
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You think that idiot you voted for is fit? HILARIOUS.

THEN, you double, triple, and quadruple down on the birther RACIST shit? Jesus...
 
dviss1 said:
You think that idiot you voted for is fit? HILARIOUS.

THEN, you double, triple, and quadruple down on the birther RACIST shit? Jesus...
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If Trump had been possibly born in Russia you'd freak.

I never ruled out the possibility Obama was born somewhere else. A piece of paper isn't 100 percent set in stone proof.

I have a birth certificate from Vancouver Washington.

Would I swear on my life I was born there? Nope.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
If Trump had been possibly born in Russia you'd freak.

I never ruled out the possibility Obama was born somewhere else. A piece of paper isn't 100 percent set in stone proof.

I have a birth certificate from Vancouver Washington.

Would I swear on my life I was born there? Nope.
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And the only reason people did is because he's black. Plain and simple.

McCain Literally wasn't born in the US (Panama my fuckin' ass. US soil my ass.) and nobody said shit.

Willard's daddy moved to Mexico to have his harem of concubines and raised him there. Nobody said shit.
 
dviss1 said:
And the only reason people did is because he's black. Plain and simple.

McCain Literally wasn't born in the US (Panama my fuckin' ass. US soil my ass.) and nobody said shit.

Willard's daddy moved to Mexico to have his harem of concubines and raised him there. Nobody said shit.
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The main reason isn't the only reason.
 
dviss1 said:
Fair enough. But it's the main reason. Had his skin tone been lighter, hair a bit straighter I don't think we would've heard anything about him being a Muslim either.

Even though 41% of Muslims in this country are WHITE.
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I loved that guy when I first heard him speak at the Democratic convention.

I can't say what would have happened to the country if he'd lost and it irritates me to hear people say he hurt race relations in this country. Nothing I can really do about it.
 
dviss1 said:
And the only reason people did is because he's black. Plain and simple.

McCain Literally wasn't born in the US (Panama my fuckin' ass. US soil my ass.) and nobody said shit.
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There is common back ground for both reasons. And Black aint' it for even one.

Let me refresh your memory from the source of Natural Born;

"Vattel's Law of Nation 212 Book 1

"Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority,
they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country,
of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;
and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country,
it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner,
it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."


You could also notice in the Smithsonian, Madison's copy of this book, complete with his notes in the margins.

I know of no other place that defines the term Natural Born, do you? Many of the founders had a reference copy. Franklin distributed several he ordered himself.
 
dviss1 said:
I don't think we would've heard anything about him being a Muslim either.
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You do know his father was? His stepfather as well, you know? Even attended a parochial school.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I loved that guy when I first heard him speak at the Democratic convention.
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Yes, I was sure we had a new messiha rather than a mere President when he gave us this line;

"this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal ..."
 
MarAzul said:
Yes, I was sure we had a new messiha rather than a mere President when he gave us this line;

"this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal ..."
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I think you're talking about a different speech. The one I'm talking about was all about uniting the country and working together as one. That kind of stuff, the kind EVERYONE says and never actually does.
 
MarAzul said:
There is common back ground for both reasons. And Black aint' it for even one.

Let me refresh your memory from the source of Natural Born;

"Vattel's Law of Nation 212 Book 1

"Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority,
they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country,
of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;
and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country,
it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner,
it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."


You could also notice in the Smithsonian, Madison's copy of this book, complete with his notes in the margins.

I know of no other place that defines the term Natural Born, do you? Many of the founders had a reference copy. Franklin distributed several he ordered himself.
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All of this is fine and Dandy.

But Barack was born in Hawaii so....
 
dviss1 said:
All of this is fine and Dandy.

But Barack was born in Hawaii so....
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Ha! Read what I showed you.

That makes it his place of birth, it does not identfy his country as defined for Natural Born
Same with McCain, Panama is his place of birth but he is of the country of his parents, as Congress ruled once. As they have for several previous candidates.
 
MarAzul said:
Ha! Read what I showed you.

That makes it his place of birth, it does not identfy his country as defined for Natural Born
Same with McCain, Panama is his place of birth but he is of the country of his parents, as Congress ruled once. As they have for several previous candidates.
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This sentence LITERALLY makes no sense.
 
MarAzul said:
You do know his father was? His stepfather as well, you know? Even attended a parochial school.
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You keep giving a fuck about this. I know where he was born. I know who his WHITE AMERICAN mother was. And his Grandfather where he gets his ears and Chin.

He is a natural born American citizen and anyone who thinks differently has a racism problem.
 
MarAzul said:
Ah well, I tried. I can't do better than refer to the pertinent history involved with ascertaining the orginal intent.
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Hilarious how you feel you can judge intent of people that lived hundreds of years ago. We didn't even HAVE a panama canal then. Yet to you their intent was to make sure they cover that and not the 50th state in the union....
 
dviss1 said:
Hilarious how you feel you can judge intent of people that lived hundreds of years ago. We didn't even HAVE a panama canal then. Yet to you their intent was to make sure they cover that and not the 50th state in the union....
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Here is another clue, the first Naturalization law.
http://library.uwb.edu/Static/USimmigration/1790_naturalization_act.html

Pay close attentions to this specific line;
"The individual's citizenship was also extended to any children under the age of 21, regardless of their birthplace."
 
dviss1 said:
Birther = racist.
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Yes, one word, racist will obviscate any meaning of the word Natural in the qualification for President.
Making it redundent, hey? Wonder why Madison put the damn thing in there? Do you think he knew
a new messiah was on the way? Nah, I suspect he actual had an English lord in mind and the offspring he might have with an American wench, but it was Obama to be the first to fail. Funny how Congress came forward with qualifing candidates before as Natural Born, but they did not do Obama who actually fails the test. Being born in Hawai makes him a citizen under the 14th amendment, but that does not address Natural Born Citizen, the true required qualification for the office of President.
 
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