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“For the purposes of what these trades are trying to do (get us closer to being a legit contender starting with the upcoming season) I would actually much rather find a way to get value out of the Bucks pick as opposed to trading the 36th pick. […] If the mission is to get a chip with Dame then that Bucks pick is only really valuable if it's traded.”

I’m less tied to a particular trade or draftee … compared to this essential point. And making a trade more favorable towards Detroit or anyone else to increase those odds is just the cost of doing business. I actually expect Cronin will make this a big off-season. The risk of not doing so is high, and the one thing I don’t expect is a repeat of the Summer of Crappy Contracts.
:cheers:
 
wizenheimer said:
* acceptable trade A): Blazers trade #7 + #36 + 2025 Milwaukee 1st for Grant + #5

before everybody screams the Piston wouldn't do it (which they probably wouldn't, but you never know), they do get to clear 21M in salary while picking up an extra 1st and a high 2nd round pick for the low cost of moving down 2 places in the draft order
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yeah, I know, quoting myself...what a dipshit

but I've been thinking about that trade and what Detroit's motivation might be to agree:

* the first assumption is that Cronin has the balls to refuse to trade 7 for Grant.

* it sure doesn't look like Grant is in their long-term plans; and it sure doesn't look like the Pistons are in Grant's long term plans. IIRC he has said as such and has certainly implied as such. So Detroit is kind of holding a slightly smelly bag. Grant's value will not be going up between now and the trade deadline; it will only go down. He's an expiring contract at a time when expiring contracts have almost no value. Portland is the only team that has shown, at least publicly, any interest in Grant. There may be a one-team market for him

* it's not like the Pistons would be dropping from #5 to #10. They are only dropping two slots. Which means they only have to game-plan one team, the 6th slot, and that's Indiana. What are the realistic chances that both Detroit and Indiana want the same player? That just doesn't seem likely. Meaning that there would be no cost to move down two slots. They could still draft the player they want and they'd also have the 'power' to prevent Portland from taking that player as well

* and if there is no cost, they add a free future 1st round pick while getting what they want from the draft. They also get an immediate 21M in cap-space after the moratorium while still absorbing Bagley's 28M cap-hold. So, if Bagley, for instance, signs for half of his cap-hold, Detroit would have near-max cap-space (and one of the stipulations of the trade could be that the Pistons couldn't go after Nurkic or Simons...?).

not only that, by drafting the player they want at 7 instead of 5 the Pistons save around 1.2M in first year salary and about 10M in the 4 years of the rookie scale

I've actually talked myself into thinking that this trade, while improbable, is not that far-fetched at all depending on how the draft goes. But as I began this post, it pivots on if Cronin has the fortitude to refuse the 7 for Grant
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, I know, quoting myself...what a dipshit

but I've been thinking about that trade and what Detroit's motivation might be to agree:

* the first assumption is that Cronin has the balls to refuse to trade 7 for Grant.

* it sure doesn't look like Grant is in their long-term plans; and it sure doesn't look like the Pistons are in Grant's long term plans. IIRC he has said as such and has certainly implied as such. So Detroit is kind of holding a slightly smelly bag. Grant's value will not be going up between now and the trade deadline; it will only go down. He's an expiring contract at a time when expiring contracts have almost no value. Portland is the only team that has shown, at least publicly, any interest in Grant. There may be a one-team market for him

* it's not like the Pistons would be dropping from #5 to #10. They are only dropping two slots. Which means they only have to game-plan one team, the 6th slot, and that's Indiana. What are the realistic chances that both Detroit and Indiana want the same player? That just doesn't seem likely. Meaning that there would be no cost to move down two slots. They could still draft the player they want and they'd also have the 'power' to prevent Portland from taking that player as well

* and if there is no cost, they add a free future 1st round pick while getting what they want from the draft. They also get an immediate 21M in cap-space after the moratorium while still absorbing Bagley's 28M cap-hold. So, if Bagley, for instance, signs for half of his cap-hold, Detroit would have near-max cap-space (and one of the stipulations of the trade could be that the Pistons couldn't go after Nurkic or Simons...?).

not only that, by drafting the player they want at 7 instead of 5 the Pistons save around 1.2M in first year salary and about 10M in the 4 years of the rookie scale

I've actually talked myself into thinking that this trade, while improbable, is not that far-fetched at all depending on how the draft goes. But as I began this post, it pivots on if Cronin has the fortitude to refuse the 7 for Grant
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Yeah, there's been a lot talk about trading down but Ive thought we have a good chance of trading up. I proposed a similar trade a while back, 7, Mil 25 & a player for 5 and Grant.
We could even trade up for Houstons pick.
I think when the talk about swinging for fence is what Joe should do, trading up qualifies.
 
Hoopguru said:
Yeah, there's been a lot talk about trading down but Ive thought we have a good chance of trading up. I proposed a similar trade a while back, 7, Mil 25 & a player for 5 and Grant.
We could even trade up for Houstons pick.
I think when the talk about swinging for fence is what Joe should do, trading up qualifies.
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Trading up to #3 makes some sense if we believe that this college grad has starter-potential at the 3 or 4. Trading our #7, Buck’s #1 (2025) and perhaps our #36 and/or Nas…for Grant and Detroit’s #5 - this is swinging for the fences WITH the insurance of Grant as part of the deal.

And to swing bigger, then let’s trade the Detroit’s #5 along with Bledsoe to NY for Randal and NY’s #11!

We give up:
#7, #36, (Buck’s 2025) #1 and Little and Bledsoe

in return, we have a lineup:

Dame
Ant
Grant
Randal
Nurkic

with Watford, Hart, Winslow, G. Smith, Williams, McLemore, K. Johnson, Ingles - as a bench

competitive!
 
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BoomChakaLaka said:
Trading up to #3 makes some sense if we believe that this college grad has starter-potential at the 3 or 4. Trading our #7, Buck’s #1 (2025) and perhaps our #36 and/or Nas…for Grant and Detroit’s #5 - this is swinging for the fences WITH the insurance of Grant as part of the deal.

And to swing bigger, then let’s trade the Detroit’s #5 along with Bledsoe to NY for Randal and NY’s #11!

We give up:
#7, #36, (Buck’s 2025) #1 and Little and Bledsoe

in return, we have a lineup:

Dame
Ant
Grant
Randal
Nurkic

with Watford, Hart, Winslow, G. Smith, Williams, McLemore, K. Johnson, Ingles - as a bench

competitive!
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I like the enthusiasm, but Randal is NOT the answer at PF
 
Any value in trading with Sacramento in efforts to being Sabonis to the Blazers?

Dame
Ant
Hart
Sabonis
Nurkic

what would this look like?
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
Any value in trading with Sacramento in efforts to being Sabonis to the Blazers?

Dame
Ant
Hart
Sabonis
Nurkic

what would this look like?
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I think it would look like a really slow front court for us on defense. I also think it would look like the Kings broke the bank to get Sabonis there just to trade him. So I would say no to the trade if I was us and I'd say no to the trade if I was them.
 
#7 gets traded
Sign & Trade away Nurk
Buck’s #1 (2025) used to move back into this year’s first round

Welcome
Ayton &
Grant
 
I did a bit of sampling of the mock drafts currently available. Here are the results:

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Some things of note:
- If the Blazers keep the #7 pick, it looks like Bennedict Mathurin is our guy.
- The player with the most variability in the lottery is Jalen Duren. With an average pick of #10.7, a most common pick of #9, and an average deviation/range of +/- 3.4. He's all over the boards.

Each year I like to put in the college stat into a spreadsheet I created. It calculates a player score similar to PER, but takes into account things like age, team w/l, and strength of schedule. I then take those stats and compare them against over 3,000 college players and adjust their ranking up/down according to the NBA success of the similar college players.

Here are some of the results of this year. Match score is the NBA success of similar college players. BdB score is the raw college stats score I noted above. Essentially, 35-50 is a NBA reserve. 50-65 is a NBA starter. 65+ is an upper level starter.

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Keep in mind, the comps are not similar playing styles, but more overall impact to the game with similar best skills.

Each year my spreadsheet finds some gems, and has some misses. It definitely cant 'see' things like BBIQ, motor, drugs, injuries, etc. It just looks at the raw college stats.

I think there are quite a few gems to be found late in this draft. Hopefully the Blazer staff can find a few of them this year!
 
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BoomChakaLaka said:
Trading up to #3 makes some sense if we believe that this college grad has starter-potential at the 3 or 4. Trading our #7, Buck’s #1 (2025) and perhaps our #36 and/or Nas…for Grant and Detroit’s #5 - this is swinging for the fences WITH the insurance of Grant as part of the deal.

And to swing bigger, then let’s trade the Detroit’s #5 along with Bledsoe to NY for Randal and NY’s #11!

We give up:
#7, #36, (Buck’s 2025) #1 and Little and Bledsoe

in return, we have a lineup:

Dame
Ant
Grant
Randal
Nurkic

with Watford, Hart, Winslow, G. Smith, Williams, McLemore, K. Johnson, Ingles - as a bench

competitive!
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G Smith?
 
42N8Bounce said:
I did a bit of sampling of the mock drafts currently available. Here are the results: View attachment 47933 View attachment 47934 Some things of note: - If the Blazers keep the #7 pick, it looks like Bennedict Mathurin is our guy. - The player with the most variability in the lottery is Jalen Duren. With an average pick of #10.7, a most common pick of #9, and an average deviation/range of +/- 3.4. He's all over the boards. Each year I like to put in the college stat into a spreadsheet I created. It calculates a player score similar to PER, but takes into account things like age, team w/l, and strength of schedule. I then take those stats and compare them against over 3,000 college players and adjust their ranking up/down according to the NBA success of the similar college players. Here are some of the results of this year. Match score is the NBA success of similar college players. BdB score is the raw college stats score I noted above. Essentially, 35-50 is a NBA reserve. 50-65 is a NBA starter. 65+ is an upper level starter. View attachment 47935 Keep in mind, the comps are not similar playing styles, but more overall impact to the game with similar best skills. Each year my spreadsheet finds some gems, and has some misses. It definitely cant 'see' things like BBIQ, motor, drugs, injuries, etc. It just looks at the raw college stats. I think there are quite a few gems to be found late in this draft. Hopefully the Blazer staff can find a few of them this year!
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Ugh wish we had the 8th as well. :blush:
 
42N8Bounce said:
I did a bit of sampling of the mock drafts currently available. Here are the results:

View attachment 47933

View attachment 47934

Some things of note:
- If the Blazers keep the #7 pick, it looks like Bennedict Mathurin is our guy.
- The player with the most variability in the lottery is Jalen Duren. With an average pick of #10.7, a most common pick of #9, and an average deviation/range of +/- 3.4. He's all over the boards.

Each year I like to put in the college stat into a spreadsheet I created. It calculates a player score similar to PER, but takes into account things like age, team w/l, and strength of schedule. I then take those stats and compare them against over 3,000 college players and adjust their ranking up/down according to the NBA success of the similar college players.

Here are some of the results of this year. Match score is the NBA success of similar college players. BdB score is the raw college stats score I noted above. Essentially, 35-50 is a NBA reserve. 50-65 is a NBA starter. 65+ is an upper level starter.

View attachment 47935

Keep in mind, the comps are not similar playing styles, but more overall impact to the game with similar best skills.

Each year my spreadsheet finds some gems, and has some misses. It definitely cant 'see' things like BBIQ, motor, drugs, injuries, etc. It just looks at the raw college stats.

I think there are quite a few gems to be found late in this draft. Hopefully the Blazer staff can find a few of them this year!
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John Butler undrafted?
 
Detroit selects Keegan Murry at 5. Detroit trades Murray + Grant to Portland for #7, the TPE, MIL '25, Keon Johnson [DET plays in the FA market]
 
Mediocre Man said:
Ok……the road to mediocrity

7 to Sacramento
5 to Sacramento
Mil 1st to Sacramento

4 to Detroit

Sabonis
Grant to Portland
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I don't like it and also don't know how it works without Sac taking EBEC.
 
Most of us where disappointed with the trades Cronin made at the deadline. Just don’t be surprised if your disappointed on draft day.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Most of us where disappointed with the trades Cronin made at the deadline. Just don’t be surprised if your disappointed on draft day.
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I'm not sure there has been a draft day that the fans didn't whine like mad in a long time. Even drafting Dame got a "Harrison Fucking Barnes" thread going.
 
I'm so not going to be disappointed when we draft Daniels with the 7th and Duren the 8th.
 
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