Draymond says Lebron "Disrespected" him

[Strenuus]

Why the Thompson hate? Can't argue that all the other Ts earned the suspension for Draymond but this should have been a non-issue. LeBron says that it wasn't the push from draymond that got him mad, but that he was called a bitch. Then starts talking about how he has kids and doesn't like being called names. Klay is right, LeBron is being a bitch complaining about the names he is called on the court.

Not like being called names doesn't make someone a "bitch".

I'm surprised thats even a question. Sorry the teams' attitude rubbed off on you.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Why the Thompson hate? Can't argue that all the other Ts earned the suspension for Draymond but this should have been a non-issue. LeBron says that it wasn't the push from draymond that got him mad, but that he was called a bitch. Then starts talking about how he has kids and doesn't like being called names. Klay is right, LeBron is being a bitch complaining about the names he is called on the court.

Yeah, I know Klay comes across as smug and arrogant in the post game press conferences, but that doesn't bother me. It doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the games. I can always mute the TV, or change the channel if I don't want to listen to Klay Klay and not miss a single minute of action.

Green, on the the hand does annoy me, and it's not because of his dirty play. That's between him and the other players and it's up to the NBA to discipline him as they see necessary. It's his constant whining and barking at the refs that annoys the fuck out of me. I feel the same way about Chris Paul and it's why I hate Doc Rivers as a coach. CP3 is a GREAT talent, and I, as a fan of basketball, want to be able to enjoy and appreciate that talent. His CONSTANT whining and flopping makes me hate watching him play. Same with Doc and the way he CONSTANTLY "lobbies" the officials from the opening tip off to the final buzzer. Shut the fuck and and play/coach. Do your fucking job and let the officials do theirs.

I feel the same way about Green. He flails about constantly, which has resulted in "inadvertent" contact with officials and other players, and then he has the nerve to complain about the officiating on every fucking call. Its fucking annoying and detracts from my enjoyment of the games.

BNM

 

[WarriorFan]

Name calling doesn't happen at that level? Come on...I've obviously never played in the NBA but I did play through college and shit talking and name calling happens, am I to expect it all of the sudden stops at the NBA. If any of you were is LeBron's situation, would you go to the media and say he was calling me names? Say it was just being competitive, say he is a dirty player, but don't say that he's saying mean things to me and I don't like it!

Klay is one of the most even-keeled guys out there (or at least he seems like it when watching him), I think it's perfectly acceptable for him to say to just move on and get over it.

Did he say something about Portland? If so, I missed it.

 

[WarriorFan]

And for what it's worth, I agree on Green for the most part. He used to be Piston's Rodman, now he's Bulls Rodman and it's really annoying. Win with class!

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yeah, I know Klay comes across as smug and arrogant in the post game press conferences, but that doesn't bother me. It doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the games. I can always mute the TV, or change the channel if I don't want to listen to Klay Klay and not miss a single minute of action.

Green, on the the hand does annoy me, and it's not because of his dirty play. That's between him and the other players and it's up to the NBA to discipline him as they see necessary. It's his constant whining and barking at the refs that annoys the fuck out of me. I feel the same way about Chris Paul and it's why I hate Doc Rivers as a coach. CP3 is a GREAT talent, and I, as a fan of basketball, want to be able to enjoy and appreciate that talent. His CONSTANT whining and flopping makes me hate watching him play. Same with Doc and the way he CONSTANTLY "lobbies" the officials from the opening tip off to the final buzzer. Shut the fuck and and play/coach. Do your fucking job and let the officials do theirs.

I feel the same way about Green. He flails about constantly, which has resulted in "inadvertent" contact with officials and other players, and then he has the nerve to complain about the officiating on every fucking call. Its fucking annoying and detracts from my enjoyment of the games.

BNM

Name calling doesn't happen at that level? Come on...I've obviously never played in the NBA but I did play through college and shit talking and name calling happens, am I to expect it all of the sudden stops at the NBA. If any of you were is LeBron's situation, would you go to the media and say he was calling me names? Say it was just being competitive, say he is a dirty player, but don't say that he's saying mean things to me and I don't like it!

Klay is one of the most even-keeled guys out there (or at least he seems like it when watching him), I think it's perfectly acceptable for him to say to just move on and get over it.

Did he say something about Portland? If so, I missed it.

Sorry, but I have seen Klay give looks of smugness and shakes his heas=d back and forth on plays he OBVIOUSLY commited a foul on, but his smugness thinks he is too good and never commits a foul. No he doesn't flail his arms around like Green, but he is just as rude and above fouling based on his persona on the court whenever he is called for a foul.

 

[riverman]

I know I'm the contrarian Blazer fan, always going against the flow of the trail, but I have to go there, again.

TL;DR

Draymond got the suspension he deserved. There is no manipulation/conspiracy by the NBA. If another NBA player got the "Iverson teabag crossover" move pulled on them, I would be surprised if they didn't at least do something similar as Draymond.

::: cool story follows :::

My background in sports is fencing in college and the history of the sport has ingrained respect for your opponent and judges. Not to say you don't have plenty of fencers that are unsportsmanlike, but that history imbued in me a feeling of personal integrity and fair play. If you get a touch on you, you say so, if your opponent had right of way, you admit it, etc.

Basketball is not the same! Trash talk, and dissing your opponents in various ways is part of the game and has been for as long as I can verify, the 70s, and probably longer.

If you played ball on the street courts in Oakland or Richmond, CA back in the 80s, and no doubt other cities I can't vouch for but that are no doubt similar, you would know that what Lebron did to Draymond could get you shot at the worst, and at least an elbow to your face.

Yeah, it isn't right, but that is a part of the past of this game and it doesn't just go away because we might want it to.

It amuses me how so many fans will complain about how the game is soft these days, then a player stands up for his manhood by attacking another player, admittedly in a subdued fashion compared to what Rudy T had happen to him, and then gets called all sorts of names.

Draymond flailed at Lebron from the ground and his legs were the target. Baggie shorts these days obscure contact and there may actually have been no contact. He isn't trying to hit Lebron's nuts...

As to conspiracy...

I am loathe to say it, but my respect for someone is inversely proportional to how often they bring up conspiracy. Conspiracy is a serious matter, but for so many people they want to accuse every situation of some ulterior motive.

Draymond fell for the bait, flailed again while having zero tolerance, and got what he deserved. He is a reckless hot-headed athlete that is hated ala Bill Laimbeer and is now reaping the results of that badboy attitude. If another player got tea-bagged the same way Draymond did I would not hold it against them if they retaliated. It is expected that any man is going to respond to that egregious insult in kind, which is why Lebron did it to Draymond in the first place. End of story.

- fin -

p.s. I can't stand Draymond's antics and his "leadership" wouldn't work on me from what I have seen in Warriors huddles. So please don't mistake me for a fan of his or wanting to have his back. I call them as I see them.

There are better ways to retaliate to being stepped over in my view. It was a risky move by Green and he knew it

 

[riverman]

Yeah, I know Klay comes across as smug and arrogant in the post game press conferences, but that doesn't bother me. It doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the games. I can always mute the TV, or change the channel if I don't want to listen to Klay Klay and not miss a single minute of action.

Green, on the the hand does annoy me, and it's not because of his dirty play. That's between him and the other players and it's up to the NBA to discipline him as they see necessary. It's his constant whining and barking at the refs that annoys the fuck out of me. I feel the same way about Chris Paul and it's why I hate Doc Rivers as a coach. CP3 is a GREAT talent, and I, as a fan of basketball, want to be able to enjoy and appreciate that talent. His CONSTANT whining and flopping makes me hate watching him play. Same with Doc and the way he CONSTANTLY "lobbies" the officials from the opening tip off to the final buzzer. Shut the fuck and and play/coach. Do your fucking job and let the officials do theirs.

I feel the same way about Green. He flails about constantly, which has resulted in "inadvertent" contact with officials and other players, and then he has the nerve to complain about the officiating on every fucking call. Its fucking annoying and detracts from my enjoyment of the games.

BNM

He's a bigger, more talented Patrick Beverly

 

[Strenuus]

Name calling doesn't happen at that level? Come on...I've obviously never played in the NBA but I did play through college and shit talking and name calling happens, am I to expect it all of the sudden stops at the NBA. If any of you were is LeBron's situation, would you go to the media and say he was calling me names? Say it was just being competitive, say he is a dirty player, but don't say that he's saying mean things to me and I don't like it!

Klay is one of the most even-keeled guys out there (or at least he seems like it when watching him), I think it's perfectly acceptable for him to say to just move on and get over it.

Did he say something about Portland? If so, I missed it.

lol. I see you're blinded, so no use arguing.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Name calling doesn't happen at that level? Come on...I've obviously never played in the NBA but I did play through college and shit talking and name calling happens, am I to expect it all of the sudden stops at the NBA. If any of you were is LeBron's situation, would you go to the media and say he was calling me names? Say it was just being competitive, say he is a dirty player, but don't say that he's saying mean things to me and I don't like it!

Klay is one of the most even-keeled guys out there (or at least he seems like it when watching him), I think it's perfectly acceptable for him to say to just move on and get over it.

Did he say something about Portland? If so, I missed it.

I bolded your answer for you.

 

[WarriorFan]

I'm "blinded" becuase I don't think name calling is some heinous offense? Do you really think that doesn't happen every day? And to be clear, I'm not arguing the flagrant which got Green the suspension, I'm saying James shouldn't be whining about something someone said, within reason of course.

What was it I missed? Can you direct me to a link or give me a quick synopsis, whatever it was didn't generate much buzz on the warriors site I frequent.

 

[MarAzul]

Geez! I sure would like to see Klay Thompson in the Blazer gear.

 

[Bandwagonfansince77]

There are better ways to retaliate to being stepped over in my view. It was a risky move by Green and he knew it

Absolutely there are better ways of getting back at the guy that dissed you, but in the heat of the moment it is normal for your average NBA player to retaliate immediately. I am not shocked at all by what he did because it is an instinctual reaction to being insulted. His mistake was swinging immediately at the only area that was close to his arm at the time which was Lebron's backside. Due to Draymond standing from a sitting position there was no other reasonable place to attack. Unfortunately for him, due to everyone thinking he has a fondness for nuts based on his past, any graze of that area gets him a flagrant.

FFS, Lebron threw Draymond on the ground then presented his balls to be punched. All in the hopes for Draymond to bite on his invitation, which summarily Draymond did. We all saw the whole thing. What amazes me is how we can see it so differently. Just like when Harden kicked at Lebron's groin. There was no contact, because we men know what contact with our testes feels like. Look at Adams: bent over. Legit contact. Look at Lebron. No harm. at all.

No wonder our country, the USA, is so divided politically. We can't even agree on what constitutes a real nut punch, how can we agree on the constitution?

 

[Bandwagonfansince77]

Smug? I can only hope that everyone complaining about GSW smugness are also upset with Jordan and Bulls, Kobe and Lakers and practically all winners of the past in basketball. Confidence and smugness go hand in hand in this game. Not for a second do I expect these players to think like I do.

"If you got it, flaunt it" is the attitude of modern society and that is a natural extension of human nature. For those of us that have some level of sophistication we abhorr that kind of thinking and fight our natural instinct to show off and be smug of our success. That some disgruntled fans get mad when 20 year old kids with millions of dollars and thousands of adoring fans get overly proud of their accomplishment in their sport seems more a problem with the upset fans than with the players. This is not hockey!

If I am off base, please enlighten me. That's why I'm here.

No, no! You thought I meant I'm here to be enlightened? On the contrary! I meant I'm here to enlighten all of you, which I've been doing quite admirably if I do say so myself! Guffaw!! :smug:

 

[BonesJones]

.Did he say something about Portland? If so, I missed it.

He said the series was over before it actually was, he screamed "GET THAT SHIT OUT OF HERE, BITCH!" right in Allen Crabbe's face, he flailed his arms while arguing a call inadvertently hitting a ref then didn't even apologize or check to see if he was okay, not to mention the constant flailing and bitching about every single call..

Fuck Draymond Green. Dudes an ugly ass piece of crap that's a black mark on the NBA.

 

[BonesJones]

Smug? I can only hope that everyone complaining about GSW smugness are also upset with Jordan and Bulls, Kobe and Lakers and practically all winners of the past in basketball. Confidence and smugness go hand in hand in this game. Not for a second do I expect these players to think like I do.

"If you got it, flaunt it" is the attitude of modern society and that is a natural extension of human nature. For those of us that have some level of sophistication we abhorr that kind of thinking and fight our natural instinct to show off and be smug of our success. That some disgruntled fans get mad when 20 year old kids with millions of dollars and thousands of adoring fans get overly proud of their accomplishment in their sport seems more a problem with the upset fans than with the players. This is not hockey!

If I am off base, please enlighten me. That's why I'm here.

No, no! You thought I meant I'm here to be enlightened? On the contrary! I meant I'm here to enlighten all of you, which I've been doing quite admirably if I do say so myself! Guffaw!! :smug:

Klay is the smuggest player ever. It's so hard to quantify how smug he is. I just feel like everyones known a stupid high school jock and Klay Thompson acts exactly like that type of dude.

 

[BBert]

Absolutely there are better ways of getting back at the guy that dissed you, but in the heat of the moment it is normal for your average NBA player to retaliate immediately. I am not shocked at all by what he did because it is an instinctual reaction to being insulted. His mistake was swinging immediately at the only area that was close to his arm at the time which was Lebron's backside. Due to Draymond standing from a sitting position there was no other reasonable place to attack. Unfortunately for him, due to everyone thinking he has a fondness for nuts based on his past, any graze of that area gets him a flagrant.

FFS, Lebron threw Draymond on the ground then presented his balls to be punched. All in the hopes for Draymond to bite on his invitation, which summarily Draymond did. We all saw the whole thing. What amazes me is how we can see it so differently. Just like when Harden kicked at Lebron's groin. There was no contact, because we men know what contact with our testes feels like. Look at Adams: bent over. Legit contact. Look at Lebron. No harm. at all.

No wonder our country, the USA, is so divided politically. We can't even agree on what constitutes a real nut punch, how can we agree on the constitution?

I'm not sure who you keep arguing with. Yourself, maybe? I think everyone gets that Lebron provoked Green, and that Green's reaction was common and even expected.

Green has an impressive history of douchery. Many fans like me have been incredulous at how much shit he gets away with. Even with all the crap Green has gotten away with, he has accumulated enough asshole points that this relatively minor incident triggered a mandatory suspension.

Now that the NBA league office has the finals matchup it wanted, and possibly because of the fan back lash from the obvious favoritism Green has received, it appears the league is no longer protecting him. For now.

Although, I'm not sure Silver wants GS to play without Green and Bogut, so I'm not going to hold my breath that Green won't again get away with murder in these last two games.

 

[Bandwagonfansince77]

It's not a conspiracy....the NBA is a business and if people think they don't do things to increase revenue every chance they get, they are not paying attention very well. Superstars are reffed differently, rookies are reffed differently, the Patrick Ewing draft had all sorts of inconsistencies about it, the Lakers and Suns shot insane amounts of FTs all of a sudden to turn the tides of series against Sacramento and Seattle.

None of those are conspiracies....they are just things that happened all with the advantage towards a larger market, the superstars and in the name of dollars in pockets. Same with Tim Donaghy being the ONLY ref to ever bet on games. Really? Refs weren't supposed to bet on anything at all or they would lose their jobs.. Then when an investigation was done after the Donaghy situation, they found that a majority of refs gambled in one way or another and not one of them lost their job as was the guideline.

I'm not a conspiracy buff at all but when they started looking at Draymond and what happened with LeBron (who was by far the instigator in that particular situation even though I think Green is an idiot) a couple of us talking about it immediately thought the same thing.....that he would finally be suspended because it was LeBron involved instead of someone like Steven Adams and that the series was about to be over in a route. No conspiracy....just an opinion based on how the NBA seems to operate and it ended up being spot on.

Read the following at your peril. It's easy to type this stuff, not so easy to edit it all once it gets out of hand in length. So yeah, you were warned.

All of those are conspiracy by the definition of the word if intentional. Some might be explained by human nature similar as the bias one might subconsciously have towards different races when hiring or reviewing resumes with distinctive names bla blah, that is standard knowledge.

Anyway, other than the betting which is more a human nature issue more so than a business pressure as you allude to, show me a single point of evidence where the refs or the owners or any higher up has put pressure to do the things you allege. Any proof will do. Not fishy officiating, but actual proof of intent.

The vagaries of officiating can alter a game and that would be a potent weapon for manipulation indeed. Just find me a whistleblower and not circumstantial evidence and conjecture like, "Businesses like to make money, so they will do anything to make money"

Predicting that Draymond would get suspended proves nothing regarding him hitting Lebron and therefore it was Lebrons status that caused the suspension. If some random like Shumpert was the one teabagging Draymond, he would have been suspended anyway. In my opinion, the microscope was on Draymond so sharply that any sort of possible flagrant call would be upgraded regardless of the victims star power. And not because of wanting the Warriors weaker so that the Cavs could get a game off of a hobbled team.

The Cavs spanked their opponents in the playoffs and not because of refs helping them. They were clearly the best in the east regardless of whether it was good for business or not. Warriors didn't need ref help vs their opponents either. 73 wins is not a matter of trying to create a story, those wins were earned. So the two ’best' teams made it to the finals which doesn't always happen, but more often than not it does which makes perfect sense.

So I am then supposed to believe that there are unwritten rules given to the refs and any other employee who might have some ability to alter the game that if you have a situation where you can "make us billionaires richer", that you have the green light to do so?

Please explain the reasonable logistics of the Draymond nut swipe for me.

1. Kiki gets a snapchat from Silver
2. Kiki convinces everyone ( whoever makes those decisions ) that Draymond needs to walk the plank
3. Draymond suspended...

So, if we assume it is like this, then minimum 2 people are in on it. If, however, Kiki took it upon himself to do the bidding of his overlords without a direct order for no other reason than him thinking " I bet the overlords want things to be this way" then this is lunacy and grasping at straws to fit your narrative.

Ref 43 or 34, I don't recall, that was watching up close the teabagging incident didn't call a foul on either of them for some unknown reason. Maybe he was in on the conspiracy, I mean the business plan. He knew that if he called a whistle on the take down on Lebron too soon that Lebron would be distracted and unable to pull off the "Nut drag crossover" thereafter, which was a clever plan designed by the Freemasons and Rosicrucians... Nvm, I'm tired...

 

[BlazerWookee]

It blows my mind that there are people who are siding with Draymond on this.

There's a reason why he was suspended. He had accumulated enough points from OTHER flagrant fouls which ultimately added up to him missing game 5. The guy is a habitual line-stepper. He should have been suspended against OKC. Fuck the Warriors. I'm so sick of this entitled team. Klay Thompson has to be the most spoiled little rich kid I have ever seen in the league.

I'd take Darius Miles' side against Lebron James.

 

[BBert]

I'd take Darius Miles' side against Lebron James.

It has nothing to do with taking Lebron's "side".

It has nothing to do with Lebron.

It has everything to do with Green.

Draymond Green is responsible for his own actions.

Glad he finally had to pay the piper.

 

[BlazerWookee]

It has nothing to do with taking Lebron's "side".

It has nothing to do with Lebron.

It has everything to do with Green.

Draymond Green is responsible for his own actions.

Glad he finally had to pay the piper.

Me, too.

And Fuck Lebron James.

 

[BBert]

Me, too.

And Fuck Lebron James.

 

[TBpup]

I remember when many Blazer fans wouldn't have anything to do with trading Matthews for Thompson and reacted with Thompson like smugness to anyone that suggested such.

 

[riverman]

I remember when many Blazer fans wouldn't have anything to do with trading Matthews for Thompson and reacted with Thompson like smugness to anyone that suggested such.

In fairness...that's when Wes was healthy and had the speed to be a lock down defender...last season's Wes cannot compare to Klay's improvement this season.

 

[e_blazer]

In fairness...that's when Wes was healthy and had the speed to be a lock down defender...last season's Wes cannot compare to Klay's improvement this season.

When has "fairness" been a consideration around here. Sheesh!

 

[Pinwheel1]

I find it amusing that Lebron complained about being disrespected, then turned around and disrespected his own teammate one game later. Regardless if Love deserved it.......being called a fucking little bitch was not as bad as leaving your teammate hanging in front of the world.