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I just tuned into the Beaver game and the announcer said the Beavers were trying to "create inertia" with their offense. Looking at the score, I think they've already done that
 
related to Pac-12/Pac-X

North Texas clobbered WSU 59-10.....yikes!!

if the new Pac-12 was in existence this season the two former Pac-12 teams might be bottom-dwellers
 
wizenheimer said:
related to Pac-12/Pac-X

North Texas clobbered WSU 59-10.....yikes!!

if the new Pac-12 was in existence this season the two former Pac-12 teams might be bottom-dwellers
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And they wondered honestly why the other conferences didn’t want them?
 
wizenheimer said:
related to Pac-12/Pac-X

North Texas clobbered WSU 59-10.....yikes!!

if the new Pac-12 was in existence this season the two former Pac-12 teams might be bottom-dwellers
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THE HCP said:
And they wondered honestly why the other conferences didn’t want them?
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Come on now thats not fair. If the Pac 12 was still what it was, players wouldn't have transferred out like they have and we probably still have better coaching.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Come on now thats not fair. If the Pac 12 was still what it was, players wouldn't have transferred out like they have and we probably still have better coaching.
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certainly true

but the demise of the Pac-12 was not one single event, but a series of mistakes. For sure, the two main architects of the failure were Larry Scott and USC. Scott's arrogance and hubris made for several terrible choices. And USC's totally slimy actions over a two year period were egregious. They knew they were going to apply to the Big-10 when they led the charge to prevent the best teams from the Big-12 from merging with the Pac; and that would have at least been a path for survival. But again, it was USC and their president that killed that....and they were already talking to the Big-10 at the time. And when USC and UCLA left the Pac-12, the die was cast. (and USC lobbied the Big-10 constantly to NOT admit the UofO; fortunately, they didn't have a vote yet)

and there were 4 schools that were always in lockstep with Larry Scott: Utah, ASU, OSU, and WSU. When ESPN & Fox offered the Pac-10 a media deal averaging about 30M/year, it was a few conference presidents, most notably those from ASU and Utah, that somehow idiotically believed some study that said the schools should be paid 50M/year. I was told by someone who should know that the Pac-10 voted 6-4 in favor of accepting the media offer. It needed 8 votes to pass and the 4 no votes were ASU-Utah-OSU-WSU. And after, when the Pac-10 demanded 50M/year per school, ESPN & FOX said fuck-off, walked away, and gave the deal to the Big-12

I am kind of surprised by how quickly the Beavers collapsed, but Smith leaving and the transfer portal wiped them out. Basically 3 years ago they were 10-3, beat Oregon, and won a bowl game. Their record since 10-3-->8-5-->5-7-->0-3....and the competition has become a lot weaker. I'm a little surprised to see that Smith actually had a losing record, 34-35, at OSU

but yeah, it's the money. Oregon is on half shares in the Big-10. IIRC, they have escalator clauses and their share will increase over the 7 year media deal. With the money from the CFP contracts, they could be making 55-60M/year by 2030-31. And the next media deal might be well over 100M/year. Ohio State/Michigan/Penn St could be making well over 110-120M in 2030-31. There's no way that G6 programs can compete with that
 
wizenheimer said:
certainly true

but the demise of the Pac-12 was not one single event, but a series of mistakes. For sure, the two main architects of the failure were Larry Scott and USC. Scott's arrogance and hubris made for several terrible choices. And USC's totally slimy actions over a two year period were egregious. They knew they were going to apply to the Big-10 when they led the charge to prevent the best teams from the Big-12 from merging with the Pac; and that would have at least been a path for survival. But again, it was USC and their president that killed that....and they were already talking to the Big-10 at the time. And when USC and UCLA left the Pac-12, the die was cast. (and USC lobbied the Big-10 constantly to NOT admit the UofO; fortunately, they didn't have a vote yet)

and there were 4 schools that were always in lockstep with Larry Scott: Utah, ASU, OSU, and WSU. When ESPN & Fox offered the Pac-10 a media deal averaging about 30M/year, it was a few conference presidents, most notably those from ASU and Utah, that somehow idiotically believed some study that said the schools should be paid 50M/year. I was told by someone who should know that the Pac-10 voted 6-4 in favor of accepting the media offer. It needed 8 votes to pass and the 4 no votes were ASU-Utah-OSU-WSU. And after, when the Pac-10 demanded 50M/year per school, ESPN & FOX said fuck-off, walked away, and gave the deal to the Big-12

I am kind of surprised by how quickly the Beavers collapsed, but Smith leaving and the transfer portal wiped them out. Basically 3 years ago they were 10-3, beat Oregon, and won a bowl game. Their record since 10-3-->8-5-->5-7-->0-3....and the competition has become a lot weaker. I'm a little surprised to see that Smith actually had a losing record, 34-35, at OSU

but yeah, it's the money. Oregon is on half shares in the Big-10. IIRC, they have escalator clauses and their share will increase over the 7 year media deal. With the money from the CFP contracts, they could be making 55-60M/year by 2030-31. And the next media deal might be well over 100M/year. Ohio State/Michigan/Penn St could be making well over 110-120M in 2030-31. There's no way that G6 programs can compete with that
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I'm not surprised that is Smiths record. Gary Andersen left our program in complete shambles. They never should have fired Mike Riley for Andersen. It took Smith a few years to get his recruits.

Smiths last year the team gave up towards the end of the year knowing he was leaving. Multiple players parents said as much on social media. That the kids already knew.
 
OSU and WSU simply fit better competing against teams in their own weight class. Nothing wrong with that. After a few years they will adapt nicely and their fans will be able to enjoy the competition.

Here are the members of the new Pac-12 Conference, starting with the 2026-27 season:
 
Hoopguru said:
OSU and WSU simply fit better competing against teams in their own weight class. Nothing wrong with that. After a few years they will adapt nicely and their fans will be able to enjoy the competition.

Here are the members of the new Pac-12 Conference, starting with the 2026-27 season:
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I tend to agree.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
I'm not surprised that is Smiths record. Gary Andersen left our program in complete shambles. They never should have fired Mike Riley for Andersen. It took Smith a few years to get his recruits.

Smiths last year the team gave up towards the end of the year knowing he was leaving. Multiple players parents said as much on social media. That the kids already knew.
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it will be interesting to see what Smith does at at Michigan State; if his teams are similar to his best at OSU

by the way...OSU fired Riley??....I thought he left to become HC at Nebraska..?
 
wizenheimer said:
it will be interesting to see what Smith does at at Michigan State; if his teams are similar to his best at OSU

by the way...OSU fired Riley??....I thought he left to become HC at Nebraska..?
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Yeah he went to Nebraska.
 
Hoopguru said:
OSU and WSU simply fit better competing against teams in their own weight class. Nothing wrong with that. After a few years they will adapt nicely and their fans will be able to enjoy the competition.

Here are the members of the new Pac-12 Conference, starting with the 2026-27 season:
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obviously Gonzaga is not an FBS team but they certainly are a basketball school. That's good for the conference because the March Madness media distribution to conferences is a bit over 2M dollars for every game a conference member plays

this will probably be the conference till the next round of realignment happens in 2030-32. The big shoe to drop could be the ACC falling apart. Their GOR runs thru 2037 but by 2030 there may be enough desperate ACC schools to take the steps to dissolve the conference

I know the Pac-12 is probably hoping to pick off Stanford and Cal; that might happen. But Stanford may be a prime candidate for the Big-10 along with North Carolina. They are a match in terms of overall athletic programs, and certainly a match academically (appealing to Big-10 presidents). SMU might be a good geographic partner in the Pac-X with Texas State. But the Big-12 may be lurking to pick off a bunch of these schools; they have been aggressive in expansion
 
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wizenheimer said:
it will be interesting to see what Smith does at at Michigan State; if his teams are similar to his best at OSU

by the way...OSU fired Riley??....I thought he left to become HC at Nebraska..?
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Technically he did leave on his own accord. But it was a delicate dance where OSU wanted to move on and he wanted to save face. Fired might have been a strong word but lots of rumors amongst alumni at that time that he was being pushed out because the Beavs wanted a change.

Smith is 3-0 this year. Give him another year to get things in place. He is a pretty good coach.
 
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