Game Thread Montana St. @ Oregon, 1pm & Cal @ Oregon State, 7:30pm

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BBert said:
Sagapolutele wanted Oregon. He transferred to Cal for playing time. If he develops, he'll be back. Thanks Cal!
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Ducks should never have let him walk. Let’s hope they get a chance to get him back.
 
Here was JKS this weekend
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Here is Dante
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Here is Dante's season stats
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Here is JKS
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Dante is just a better player. Period. JKS has a lot of promise but we weren't about to start a true freshman QB when we had Dante.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What do you mean? He asked out. He wanted to start. We have a better QB right now.
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Not sure Moore is better. Which means not sure that he should have been chosen to start.
I feel the Ducks made a mistake letting that guy go.
 
kjironman1 said:
I feel the Ducks made a mistake letting that guy go.
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they didn't have the power to stop him....do you realize that? The CFB calendar prevents that action. Sure, the Ducks could have refused to let him out of his LOI (letter of intent), But that would have only been semi-effective till the spring transfer portal. Then he could have left anyway. And, Oregon would have looked like assholes to every current and future recruiting target. Playing some kind of pointless hardball with an 18 yer old would have been a PR disaster for the UofO. 18 years olds can be flighty; it's expected. And if JKS had refused to show up on campus, what could the Ducks have done...sent the state police into California to arrest him?

besides that, cancelling the LOI at the request of JKS was a PR win. Future recruiting targets pay attention to things like that. But more than that, cancelling the LOI also cancels whatever NIL contract the Ducks had with JKS and made that NIL available in the transfer portal. Win-win

you need to give up on the narrative that somehow Oregon fucked up by 'allowing' JKS to leave. He never arrived in the first place, and he was going to end up at Cal no matter what Oregon did.
 
kjironman1 said:
Seriously? You really think stats like that make any statement in football? Have you ever even watched a game? Football is a team sport.
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I was just gonna say. Does this kid at Cal have the same options at the skilled positions or the offense line talent?
Are their QB versions of WestBrook who put up HOF stats, but get murdered by the numbers geeks?
 
wizenheimer said:
they didn't have the power to stop him....do you realize that?
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Sure they did.
I don't need to give up anything.
It's my opinion that they could have kept him by letting him have the starting position and making sure this was going to be where he wanted to be. They CHOSE to go with Moore. They did not CHOOSE to keep JKS and let him CHOOSE to go somewhere else.
If you don't agree with that then fine. Try not to tell people what they believe is the case in a very objective situation.
Let me spell this out so you get it one last time.

I feel in the end JKS is a better QB than Moore. I believe JKS would have had a very good year on the Ducks this year and an even better one next year after a year of taking this team into the playoffs. I feel there is a chance he will be so good that not only the Ducks but many other teams will be fighting to get that guy next year. I believe there is a chance that the Ducks may miss out on an opportunity to get him back. I hope that is not the case.
I believe having him on the roster this year may not bring a championship this year but having him in a continuing situation makes their chances better next year.
There is also a chance he does so well this year that he decides to stay where he is. That would be unlikely but it happens. Also, what makes you think teams like Alabama and Ohio State or Penn State are not looking at him as well?
 
THE HCP said:
I was just gonna say. Does this kid at Cal have the same options at the skilled positions or the offense line talent?
Are their QB versions of WestBrook who put up HOF stats, but get murdered by the numbers geeks?
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Exactly. How can you not know these things if you honestly watch with an unbiased eye. There is no way he puts up numbers playing for Cal this year that he would put up with the Ducks.
 
kjironman1 said:
Exactly. How can you not know these things if you honestly watch with an unbiased eye. There is no way he puts up numbers playing for Cal this year that he would put up with the Ducks.
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The kid is good, but he is a true freshman. Dante is in his 3rd year, so yeah, I think it is safe to say DM is better suited to lead the Ducks this year. This is not the NBA, where choosing players for the future is a desirable strategy. Teams have no control over where a player chooses to go each season. For all we know, the Ducks could pick up a QB that is better than both if Dante chooses to enter he draft.

But this year is all that matters. It would be nice to have him sitting on the bench behind Dante in case of an injury...but he chose not to go that route. Nothing the Ducks could do about that.
 
kjironman1 said:
Sure they did.
I don't need to give up anything.
It's my opinion that they could have kept him by letting him have the starting position and making sure this was going to be where he wanted to be. They CHOSE to go with Moore. They did not CHOOSE to keep JKS and let him CHOOSE to go somewhere else.
If you don't agree with that then fine. Try not to tell people what they believe is the case in a very objective situation.
Let me spell this out so you get it one last time.

I feel in the end JKS is a better QB than Moore. I believe JKS would have had a very good year on the Ducks this year and an even better one next year after a year of taking this team into the playoffs. I feel there is a chance he will be so good that not only the Ducks but many other teams will be fighting to get that guy next year. I believe there is a chance that the Ducks may miss out on an opportunity to get him back. I hope that is not the case.
I believe having him on the roster this year may not bring a championship this year but having him in a continuing situation makes their chances better next year.
There is also a chance he does so well this year that he decides to stay where he is. That would be unlikely but it happens. Also, what makes you think teams like Alabama and Ohio State or Penn State are not looking at him as well?
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My take is that when you talk about JKS you don't really name any area in which you believe he is better than Moore. You don't mention:
  • Accuracy
  • Decision-making
  • Ability to Read Defenses
  • Football IQ
  • Leadership
  • Mental toughness
  • Arm strength
  • Footwork
  • Improvisation
  • Overall toughness
or any of the other intangibles that make Quarterbacks great. You just say you feel he's better. It's fine that you feel that way but the highly paid UO coaching staff thinks otherwise.
Who are we supposed to consider more, you or the people who are getting paid to win games for their coaching careers? Dante is doing a great job. I don't know why you don't like him, he's balling... :dunno:

UO will ALWAYS be able to recruit talent worldwide. If we missed on JKS, it happens. Teams miss.
 
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Its also the other qb's in the room now and NIL bucks. If he develops after a year or two at Cal, who knows what could happen. Oregon strategy to a degree is to let targets bake early then decide on portal selects and nil commitment.
 
kjironman1 said:
Sure they did.
I don't need to give up anything.
It's my opinion that they could have kept him by letting him have the starting position and making sure this was going to be where he wanted to be. They CHOSE to go with Moore. They did not CHOOSE to keep JKS and let him CHOOSE to go somewhere else.
If you don't agree with that then fine. Try not to tell people what they believe is the case in a very objective situation.
Let me spell this out so you get it one last time.

I feel in the end JKS is a better QB than Moore. I believe JKS would have had a very good year on the Ducks this year and an even better one next year after a year of taking this team into the playoffs. I feel there is a chance he will be so good that not only the Ducks but many other teams will be fighting to get that guy next year. I believe there is a chance that the Ducks may miss out on an opportunity to get him back. I hope that is not the case.
I believe having him on the roster this year may not bring a championship this year but having him in a continuing situation makes their chances better next year.
There is also a chance he does so well this year that he decides to stay where he is. That would be unlikely but it happens. Also, what makes you think teams like Alabama and Ohio State or Penn State are not looking at him as well?
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geeeezuzz....you are twisting any rational logic into a insane pretzel to justify a wild assertion

yeah, right...all the Ducks had to do was guarantee the starting QB position at a P4 school to a high school player....when they already had Moore and Novosad. No principled coach of a P4 program would do that. And it may not have mattered anyway. JKS had been committed to Cal before he flipped a few days before LOI day, then flipped back. Even a dishonest promise of a starting gig may have not done the job. You simply don't know

it also doesn't matter how many times you write choose in caps...it doesn't change reality

I'm also not buying the assertion that JKS is better than Moore, especially not this season
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
The kid is good, but he is a true freshman. Dante is in his 3rd year, so yeah, I think it is safe to say DM is better suited to lead the Ducks this year. This is not the NBA, where choosing players for the future is a desirable strategy. Teams have no control over where a player chooses to go each season. For all we know, the Ducks could pick up a QB that is better than both if Dante chooses to enter he draft.

But this year is all that matters. It would be nice to have him sitting on the bench behind Dante in case of an injury...but he chose not to go that route. Nothing the Ducks could do about that.
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I agree Moore might be better this year. Maybe.
 
dviss1 said:
My take is that when you talk about JKS you don't really name any area in which you believe he is better than Moore. You don't mention:
  • Accuracy
  • Decision-making
  • Ability to Read Defenses
  • Football IQ
  • Leadership
  • Mental toughness
  • Arm strength
  • Footwork
  • Improvisation
  • Overall toughness
or any of the other intangibles that make Quarterbacks great. You just say you feel he's better. It's fine that you feel that way but the highly paid OU coaching staff thinks otherwise.
Who are we supposed to consider more, you or the people who are getting paid to win games for their coaching careers? Dante is doing a great job. I don't know why you don't like him, he's balling... :dunno:

OU will ALWAYS be able to recruit talent worldwide. If we missed on JKS, it happens. Teams miss.
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Fair enough.
 
wizenheimer said:
geeeezuzz....you are twisting any rational logic into a insane pretzel to justify a wild assertion

yeah, right...all the Ducks had to do was guarantee the starting QB position at a P4 school to a high school player....when they already had Moore and Novosad. No principled coach of a P4 program would do that. And it may not have mattered anyway. JKS had been committed to Cal before he flipped a few days before LOI day, then flipped back. Even a dishonest promise of a starting gig may have not done the job. You simply don't know

it also doesn't matter how many times you write choose in caps...it doesn't change reality

I'm also not buying the assertion that JKS is better than Moore, especially not this season

I don't give a flying fuck how many times you say choose in caps
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Okay. Great. You disagree.
 
kjironman1 said:
Okay. Great. You disagree.
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Nah, he gave valid reasons for his disagreement. What you haven't done is give valid reasons why you think JKS is better than Moore. We're still waiting on that. :dunno:
 
kjironman1 said:
Seriously? You really think stats like that make any statement in football? Have you ever even watched a game? Football is a team sport.
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So you’re saying that any stats are pointless because it’s a team sport or just those stats? I’d say completion percentage and interceptions are usually pretty good indicators of QB skill. Dante has been very good at decision making so far. I haven’t really seen any dangerous throws or bad decisions from him. We are in the hunt for a natty this year, and every year honestly…. QB is the one spot where I simply would not want to hand it over to a true freshman. It’s extremely rare for true freshman to start at big programs. Dante did it at UCLA and it was kind of a disaster. That’s a big reason why he transferred to Oregon and sat a year to learn the offense.
 
kjironman1 said:
Not sure Moore is better. Which means not sure that he should have been chosen to start.
I feel the Ducks made a mistake letting that guy go.
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Bruh. 5 times people have said Oregon had no control over it. Did you read any of those?

He transferred. Schools cant stop transfers.

Like holy crap man the last 4 pages people have told you this and you still say the same thing lol.
 
Strenuus said:
Bruh. 5 times people have said Oregon had no control over it. Did you read any of those?

He transferred. Schools cant stop transfers.

Like holy crap man the last 4 pages people have told you this and you still say the same thing lol.
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And five times I’ve told them they did but chose to go another direction and that is fine. That is why he transferred. Read the thread.
I stand by my original assertion.
Unless you are actually moderating something for once maybe you should step back.
Nobody has posted anything against forum rules. Every response to me was respectful and they made their points. I in turn did the same.
Why are you even entering this conversation? Unless it’s to give your opinion on the issue? If so do that.
 
kjironman1 said:
And five times I’ve told them they did but chose to go another direction and that is fine. That is why he transferred. Read the thread.
I stand by my original assertion.
Unless you are actually moderating something for once maybe you should step back.
Nobody has posted anything against forum rules. Every response to me was respectful and they made their points. I in turn did the same.
Why are you even entering this conversation? Unless it’s to give your opinion on the issue? If so do that.
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Lol my opinion is your opinion is wrong.

"Chose to go a different direction" in college football leading to a dude leaving because Dante Moore won the job is two different things.

You gotta be better than that. This is basic logic.
 
dviss1 said:
My take is that when you talk about JKS you don't really name any area in which you believe he is better than Moore. You don't mention:
  • Accuracy
  • Decision-making
  • Ability to Read Defenses
  • Football IQ
  • Leadership
  • Mental toughness
  • Arm strength
  • Footwork
  • Improvisation
  • Overall toughness
or any of the other intangibles that make Quarterbacks great. You just say you feel he's better. It's fine that you feel that way but the highly paid UO coaching staff thinks otherwise.
Who are we supposed to consider more, you or the people who are getting paid to win games for their coaching careers? Dante is doing a great job. I don't know why you don't like him, he's balling... :dunno:

UO will ALWAYS be able to recruit talent worldwide. If we missed on JKS, it happens. Teams miss.
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This is the quote that seems to have ruffled all the feathers.
kjironman1 said:
I think that Freshman is going to be a star. That kid just looked so good and so under control. Jaron-Keawe Sagapolutele there. That is the last time I'm going through trying to figure out how to spell that. From now on he's just Saga.
I think Saga will be a great.
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Strenuus said:
Lol my opinion is your opinion is wrong.

"Chose to go a different direction" in college football leading to a dude leaving because Dante Moore won the job is two different things.

You gotta be better than that. This is basic logic.
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Go back and read. Nobody is disagreeing with the current situation.
I even went to the point of saying "We'll see how this works out".

I'll say it again. Lets see how this works out. Maybe I'm wrong here. I think that kid will be a star and he will be better in the long run.
 
Natebishop3 said:
No it was these.
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And I stand by all of those statements.
I think he’s better and if he was playing with Oregon’s talent around him we would see that.

Here’s my other opinion on Moore. He’s really good. He’s probably the best option this year. I have yet to see the grit that I think JKS has but I totally understand why Oregon went the way they did.

So I will concede Oregon did not make a “ Huge Mistake “. That statement is a bit out of line. I’ll give you that.
 
kjironman1 said:
And I stand by all of those statements.
I think he’s better and if he was playing with Oregon’s talent around him we would see that.

Here’s my other opinion on Moore. He’s really good. He’s probably the best option this year. I have yet to see the grit that I think JKS has but I totally understand why Oregon went the way they did.

So I will concede Oregon did not make a “ Huge Mistake “. That statement is a bit out of line. I’ll give you that.
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Dinty Moore stew meat? Seriously?
 
dviss1 said:
Any meat in a can by definition is not good so... :dunno:
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I was a bit tough on him in the statement though. He’s been good so far and we are all hoping he gets them to the championship.
Honestly I just like JKS and the swagger field general type presence he brings. Total command feel I get from him. I think he will be really good.
In the end I hope Oregon gets a chance to have him play there.
 
BBert said:
I'm going to the Pixies concert. I'll have to watch both games on Sunday. So I'll be going radio silence on Saturday.
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How were they? Saw them years ago at the Weezer concert at Moda. There were quite a few fans of them at that event.
 
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