Eating Crow about Scoot (1 Viewer)

[jlprk]

What has Scoot done besides have one of the best attitudes I've ever seen from z player? He took time to adjust to the highest league in basketball.

Like not hanging out in the summer to get coached by the assistant coaches in the Practice Facility? That's why he still sucked in the first half of this season. Hadn't improved any weaknesses.

 

[kjironman1]

Like not hanging out in the summer to get coached by the assistant coaches in the Practice Facility? That's why he still sucked in the first half of this season. Hadn't improved any weaknesses.

That's simply not true either. Scoot worked with private coaches quite a bit last year. I know this because I was down in LA a few times and know it to be fact.

 

[sheed30]

When a fan roots FOR a player, is it because of the fan's ego?

And there are many on this board who root against the Sheed team. Ego?

LOL, you make zero sense

 

[MickZagger]

That's simply not true either. Scoot worked with private coaches quite a bit last year. I know this because I was down in LA a few times and know it to be fact.

https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/...fleming-who-worked-with-bulls-coby-white.html

 

[AldoTrapani]

Still rooting against one of our players because of your ego. That's what I'm talking about when I call you a sad and pathetic fan of this team.

Dude I’m just banking on him not being good. I root for the team not the player

 

[THE HCP]

Like not hanging out in the summer to get coached by the assistant coaches in the Practice Facility? That's why he still sucked in the first half of this season. Hadn't improved any weaknesses.

Where did you hear that happened?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Dude I’m just banking on him not being good. I root for the team not the player

Dude I'm just wanting the best outcome possible. Anyone who roots for the team should also be rooting for the player.

 

[MickZagger]

Dude I'm just wanting the best outcome possible. Anyone who roots for the team should also be rooting for the player.

Same song and dance year after year. He just rotates between Sharpe and Scoot. Either a huge troll or miserably insufferable.

 

[AldoTrapani]

The real scoot is back

 

[RonBrewer]

I’ll get the last laugh lol

I don't post as much as i used to but you are the most insufferable troll on this board. FYI.

 

[blazerkor]

The real scoot is back

Had a really great pass that only a handful of guys in the league could even conceive of. Dude had 4 assists, he only shot the ball three times. This game does not support your tired ass theory. Go poop somewhere else.

 

[THE HCP]

The real scoot is back

You know what man…..

This is a quality human being raised right with a great attitude and amazing work ethic. How can you wish ill on a good person like that. He’s fucking 20…. Trying to figures things out.
Fuck off FAMS! Completely unnecessary behavior on here.

 

[BonesJones]

The real scoot is back

You're pathetic

 

[jlprk]

https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/...fleming-who-worked-with-bulls-coby-white.html

Where did you hear that happened?

I read it on this board months ago. No one posted evidence like that article. Okay I stand corrected about his summer work. I'll still point out how underperforming he is compared to his draft position. For this dreary self-sacrificing multi-year tank to be worth our suffering, we desperately need our high picks to be as good as expected.

 

[jlprk]

LOL, you make zero sense

It makes total sense. You think that Blazerkor has no ego and I do, just because he praised Scooter and I didn't? You make zero sense. Blazerkor is quite the insulting poster.

 

[STOMP]

I read it on this board months ago. No one posted evidence like that article. Okay I stand corrected about his summer work.

good on you for not doubling down and instead admitting your mistake of relying on baseless evidence put up by some poster. Posters often dress up their opinions as fact... especially the most ridiculous here, expect more of that

I'll still point out how underperforming he is compared to his draft position. For this dreary self-sacrificing multi-year tank to be worth our suffering, we desperately need our high picks to be as good as expected.

Regardless of the pick number, teams can only select from the guys who happen to be available in a particular draft. By picking Scoot in 2023, they went with a very young guy who obviously had a high ceiling but a long ways to go to get there. Patience would be required. My posted expectations going into this season were that Shaedon and Scoot would still largely suck but hopefully be making some headway towards becoming the players they will be as they are schooled by the league. Both have shown flashes of greatness, but they also struggle with making basic winning NBA plays... that comes with experience. Both have skills that need work, but thats okay too as skills improve with practice. The list of great players who struggled at their age (& older) in the NBA is much longer then the list of those who hit the ground running.

STOMP

 

[Blazinaway]

You know what man…..

This is a quality human being raised right with a great attitude and amazing work ethic. How can you wish ill on a good person like that. He’s fucking 20…. Trying to figures things out.
Fuck off FAMS! Completely unnecessary behavior on here.

I fully agree with you on this, there is reasonable criticism, but Aldo is an utter jerk, I have several other adjectives I'd like to use but will keep it civil! good post HCP!

 

[jlprk]

The list of great players who struggled early in their careers is much longer then the list of those who hit the NBA ground running.

I agree until the last sentence, but anyway: The longer these high picks take to become good, the longer our suffering continues. Sure, they don't arrive turnkey and ready to go, but we should push for improvement, not be passive. The coach should, too, but I think he doesn't know how.

 

[jlprk]

MickZagger posted the article above (about Scooter's summer work) on the same day the article is dated, which is now 2 days ago. Was the article written in response to what I had written a day or two earlier? Coincidence? Or did I eke/provoke the truth out of the media? You can thank me later.

 

[Hoopguru]

SubscriberKeyKey that denotes Subscriber Exclusive content.Bill Oram: Is Scoot Henderson busting out or just a bust?NBA scouts dish on the Trail Blazers guard 100 games into his career.17h agoBill Oram

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

SubscriberKeyKey that denotes Subscriber Exclusive content.Bill Oram: Is Scoot Henderson busting out or just a bust?NBA scouts dish on the Trail Blazers guard 100 games into his career.17h agoBill Oram

Here is a link that might just work a little bit better. An Eastern Conference scout said: “When you are drafting in the top five, the top three, bare minimum you want somebody you can throw in a starting lineup in a competitive NBA game and he’ll contribute. Scoot is far away from that point. So yeah, that’s a miss.”
“It’s pretty simple,” one of the scouts said. “You looked at a kid in high school that was bigger, stronger, faster than everybody. He dominated with that and now he’s on a much more level playing field with all those traits. And now you’re seeing the lack of skill and even more concerning the lack of feel and basketball IQ, which you really need at that position.”

Said another: “He’s so athletically gifted that nobody cared to slow it down and teach him, ‘Here’s how you actually play.’”
https://web.archive.org/web/2025012...oot-henderson-busting-out-or-just-a-bust.html

 

[Phatguysrule]

If the Blazers are winning a bunch of games right now counting on Scoot being a star then they are fucking stupid.

If they drafted Scoot expecting him to be a star then they were stupid.

You don't decide to end the rebuild until you actually have your stars and you know they are going to be stars.

We don't know that about any of our players. We are screwing up this rebuild big time, and we're putting far too much pressure on these young guys who are being handled wrong.

And in doing so, we are screwing up our chance at landing a star in this upcoming draft.

 

[THE HCP]

Here is a link that might just work a little bit better. An Eastern Conference scout said: “When you are drafting in the top five, the top three, bare minimum you want somebody you can throw in a starting lineup in a competitive NBA game and he’ll contribute. Scoot is far away from that point. So yeah, that’s a miss.”
“It’s pretty simple,” one of the scouts said. “You looked at a kid in high school that was bigger, stronger, faster than everybody. He dominated with that and now he’s on a much more level playing field with all those traits. And now you’re seeing the lack of skill and even more concerning the lack of feel and basketball IQ, which you really need at that position.”

Said another: “He’s so athletically gifted that nobody cared to slow it down and teach him, ‘Here’s how you actually play.’”
https://web.archive.org/web/2025012...oot-henderson-busting-out-or-just-a-bust.html

I’d love to have a genius on here go back the past 10 drafts and look at the TOP 5 and see if this stands up. Did those 50 players get thrown in the fire from the start and how were their contributions? My uneducated, yet very aware view is that the vast majority did NOT. That might be what this scout WANTS to happen, but not sure how much it does.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I’d love to have a genius on here go back the past 10 drafts and look at the TOP 5 and see if this stands up. Did those 50 players get thrown in the fire from the start and how were their contributions? My uneducated, yet very aware view is that the vast majority did NOT. That might be what this scout WANTS to happen, but not sure how much it does.

I tried to find somebody in that article besides Blazer management that would say something positive but nada.... I think most of us still have hope for him though. He does seem to be showing that he can shoot and his turnovers are down and defense seems to be getting better. So maybe some of those guys haven't watched him lately?

 

[AldoTrapani]

You know what man…..

This is a quality human being raised right with a great attitude and amazing work ethic. How can you wish ill on a good person like that. He’s fucking 20…. Trying to figures things out.
Fuck off FAMS! Completely unnecessary behavior on here.

Nobody judged his character. Dont do that

 

[AldoTrapani]

But scoot right? We fucked up

 

[wizenheimer]

I’d love to have a genius on here go back the past 10 drafts and look at the TOP 5 and see if this stands up. Did those 50 players get thrown in the fire from the start and how were their contributions? My uneducated, yet very aware view is that the vast majority did NOT. That might be what this scout WANTS to happen, but not sure how much it does.

well first, you'd have to delete the actual busts....which Scoot is not at this point. So you won't have a 50 player sample. Now, I don't know how this will work out so I'll do it in real time

2015:

5 - Mario Hezoonja = bust
4 - Porzingis - started every game his first two seasons - contributed; fits profile (1/1)
3 - Jahlil Okafor = bust (started 81 of 103 games first 2 seasons)
2 - D'Angelo Russell - started 108 of 143 game 1st 2 seasons - contributed; fits profile (2/2)
1 - KAT - started every game for 10 years - contributed; fits profile (3/3)

2016:

5 - Kris Dunn = bust for #5 (career back-up) still in league - doesn't fit profile (3/4)
4 - Dragan Bender = bust
3 - Jaylen Brown - started every game 2nd season; avg 6.6 pts as rookie - contributed; fits profile (4/5)
2 - Brandon Ingram - started 99-138 games in 1st 2 seasons - contributed; fits profile (5/6)
1 - Ben Simmons - started 160 of 160 games; ROY - contributed; fits profile (6/7)

2017:

5 - De'Aaron Fox - started 142 of 154 games - contributed; fits profile (7/8)
4 - Josh Jackson = bust
3 - Jayson Tatum - nuff said - contributed; fits profile (8/9)
2 - Lonzo Ball - started 95 of 99 games - bust by injury - but, contributed; fits profile (9/10) ?- this one debatable
1 - Markelle Fultz - bust

2018:

5- Trae Young - started every game in 7 seasons - contributed; fits profile (10/11)
4 - Jaren Jackson Jr. - started every game - contributed; fits profile (11/12)
3- Luca Doncic - nuff said - contributed; fits profile (12/13)
2 - Marvin Bagley = bust
1 - Deandre Ayton - yuck - contributed; fits profile (13/14)

2019:

5 - Darius Garland - started 109 of 113 games - contributed; fits profile (14/15)
4 - De'Andre Hunter - started 81 of 86 games - contributed; fits profile (15/16)
3 - RJ Barrett - started every game 1st two seasons - contributed; fits profile (16-17)
2 - Ja Morant - nuff said - contributed; fits profile (17/18)
1 - Zion Williamson - bust because of injury? - but, contributed; fits profile (18/19)

2020:

5 - Isaac Okoro - stated 128 of 134 games, but a statistical bust for #5 - doesn't fit profile (18/20)
4 - Patrick Williams - started 80 of 87 games, , but a statistical bust for #4 - doesn't fit profile (18/21)
3 - LaMelo Ball - started every game - contributed; fits profile (19/22)
2 - James Wiseman = bust
1 - Anthony Edwards - started every game - contributed; fits profile (20/23)

2021:

5 - Jalen Suggs - started 64 of 103 games - has become full time starter - not worth #5, barely - doesn't fit profile? (20/24)
4 - Scottie Barnes - started every game - contributed; fits profile (21/25)
3 - Evan Mobley - started every game - contributed; fits profile (22/26)
2 - Jalen Green - started every game - contributed; fits profile (23/27)
1 - Cade Cunnigham - started every game - contributed; fits profile (24/28)

2022:

5 - Jaden Ivy - started 134 of 151 games - contributed; fits profile (25/29)
4 - Keegam Murray - started 155 of 157 games - contributed; fits profile (26/30)
3 - Jabari Smith - started every game - contributed; fits profile (27/31)
2 - Chet Holmgren - started every game - contributed; fits profile (28/32)
1 - Paolo Banchero - started every game - contributed; fits profile (29/33)

2023:

5 - Ausar Thompson - started 50 or 86 games - doesn't really fit profile, (29/34)
4 - Amen Thompson - mostly has come off the bench, but contributed; fits profile (30/35)
3 - Scoot Henderson - started 39 of 100 games - doesn't fit profile (30/36)
2 - Brandon Miller - started every game - contributed; fits profile (31/37)
1 - Wemby - nuff said - contributed; fits profile (32/38)

so, 45 players. 7 were actual busts. 32 of the remaining 38 fit the suggested profile of the scouts you are dismissing. Of those 32 players who fit the profile, just about all of them were "thrown in the fire" by starting most or all games. And of the 5, along with Scoot, who doesn't really fit the profile, two, Okoro and Williams started 94% of their games. And of the 3 remaining besides Scoot, Kris Dunn, Jalen Suggs, and Aussar Thompson, there may be a range of upside for a gauge

I'm not really sure if being a starter is a complete gauge:

Jalen Suggs - started 64 of 103 - 62%
Ausar Thompson - 50 of 86 - 58%
Scoot Henderson - 39 of 100 - 39%
Kris Dunn - 50 of 130 - 38%

but Scoot has averaged 28 minutes which seems like quite a bit of fire to me

I think the scouts are right and you're wrong about the expectations for a top-5 pick and the higher expectations for a top-3 pick. Scoot has been a disappointment compared to his pre-draft hype and the expectations attached to a 3rd pick. But I sure don't think he's a bust at this point. More of a project which usually is a term reserved for big men. I still see significant upside for Scoot. But I also see the obstacles in his way that might keep him from meeting that upside

it's also not like every pick is a Tatum or a KAT. Scoot may very well end up better than a lot of the top-5 picks who were opening night starters

 

[jlprk]

I’d love to have a genius on here go back the past 10 drafts and look at the TOP 5 and see if this stands up. Did those 50 players get thrown in the fire from the start and how were their contributions? My uneducated, yet very aware view is that the vast majority did NOT. That might be what this scout WANTS to happen, but not sure how much it does.

You must be a rookie NBA fan. If a top-5 player ISN'T thrown into the fire (= plays a lot of minutes) in his rookie and 2nd years, he's either injured or a bust.

When posters criticize Billups, sometimes someone says, why the hell did Billups play Scooter so much his rookie year. No one answers but the reason is, it's standard to play a #3 pick a lot, and expect him to be an adequate starter either early or late in his rookie year. I don't criticize Billups for having a conventional expectation for his #3 pick...which is the opposite of what you said, that it's normal to NOT play them a lot.

Hey Wiz, thanks for all your hard work on that post. I agree that someday, Scooter will not be a bust. Meanwhile, he's taking his sweet time. Slow learner. Physical talent, but dumb.

 

[PCmor7]

There were a couple of things that stood out to me about Scoot in a good way today.

First, he hung in there, even when he had stretches where he struggled with his shot or getting to his spots against good defense. He persevered and scored 25.

Second, he had a couple of times where he adjusted his shot while getting fouled and got the ball up at the rim. He didn't get it to fall, but he almost got 3-point plays.

Third, and biggest for me, was there were three or four times where the Thunder forced a switch that put Scoot on SGA and Scoot frustrated the heck out of him. Scoot's strength and quick feet made it impossible for SGA to get to his spots and it led to a couple of missed shots and a couple of turnovers. That was impressive for a second year guy facing probably this year's MVP.

 

[blazerfan11]

Scoot has averaged 40% on 3-pointers since December 15th to today if we round up. If you don't want to round up, he's averaged 40% since the game following that (December 19th).

From December 21st to today, Scoot has led the team in 3-point shooting % average.

Is this expected weakness no longer a weakness? It hasn't been a weakness (on average) in over a month.

Will this expected weakness actually turn into a strength? (or maybe it already has, on average)

Especially, or at least, in comparison to his teammates.