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[EL PRESIDENTE]

I'm just telling you what I've been told. I've never personally met the man, or this child.

And medications have helped people tremendously. They helped me when I was a kid, and they help my father cope with his Bipolar disorder.

Obviously, they can't help everyone. But if they DO help someone, then they should be made available indeed.

Just my opinion.

They should be administered in a facility.

 

[Jade Falcon]

One of these things, is not like the others...



Yeah, if there were massacres using guns, it would be on TV all the time. But we never hear of anything like that. So guns aren't the problem, I guess.

barfo

What are you arguing with me about now? What isn't like the other?

Police pursuits in Las Angeles are a daily occurrence. You can almost set your watch by them. Does this mean that they have a problem with cars? Are cars the problem, or is it an individual's criminal behavior that is committed with a car?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This society is so fucked.

 

[Jade Falcon]

They should be administered in a facility.

So....drive to a facility to take a medication that can be taken at home?

Who is going to pay for that? Because you have to pay a facility, and the nurse or doctor, to give you that medication.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So....drive to a facility to take a medication that can be taken at home?

Who is going to pay for that? Because you have to pay a facility, and the nurse or doctor, to give you that medication.

Automation will reduce costs. All of these antidepressants are given willy nilly. Put it into the price of the drug.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Automation will reduce costs. All of these antidepressants are given willy nilly.

Nevermind automation. It simply isn't viable. I know very, very few people who have the time to make a daily trip to the doctor, much less the money to do so. Even at a $25 co-pay per visit, that adds up.

I'd rather have antidepressants available than have people's freedoms being restricted. I do, however, like the psych test idea that someone mentioned earlier. I think that would be a brilliant start.

That also, however, comes with many of its own challenges, such as the Rights of parents to decide what their child participates in. Patients Rights are very, very important in this country.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Antidepressants are bullshit too. Over medication of kids makes them all psychos and dependent.

Ban these meds and if kids cant deal, put them in an asylum.

Parents will try to cure their psycho kids by feeding them meds to calm them down instead of getting them real help.

I wouldn’t say antidepressants are bullshit, I’ve been taking one that’s mixed with anti-anxiety and I haven’t had a panic attack or felt like dying since. It brought me out of a dark place and now I’m me again. They work with some people.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Psychotic persons shouldn't be able to make their own decisions regarding care.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

I know we can’t not report on news like these shootings, but I wonder if the coverage of these events inspire fellow psychopaths to finally do it?

 

[Jade Falcon]

Psychotic persons shouldn't be able to make their own decisions regarding care.

If they are judged to be insane by a court of law under Due Process, then yes, you are correct.

But if you are talking about someone who just needs a medication to function fine, then that is a very dangerous position to take.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I wouldn’t say antidepressants are bullshit, I’ve been taking one that’s mixed with anti-anxiety and I haven’t had a panic attack or felt like dying since. It brought me out of a dark place and now I’m me again. They work with some people.

They cover up other issues that need to be dealt with. And they are way overprescribed. Part of me wants to legalize everything and another psrt wants me to ban everything.

I do believe getting people on a antidepressants is a huge problem in this country

 

[barfo]

What are you arguing with me about now? What isn't like the other?

bedwetting, obviously

Police pursuits in Las Angeles are a daily occurrence. You can almost set your watch by them. Does this mean that they have a problem with cars? Are cars the problem, or is it an individual's criminal behavior that is committed with a car?

How many times do police pursuits kill dozens of people at a time?
We do in fact have a problem with cars in this society, and as a result we regulate the use of cars.
We have a problem with guns, but we don't regulate guns anywhere near as much as cars.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Part of me wants to legalize everything and another psrt wants me to ban everything.

You should get those parts to talk to each other, maybe they'd come up with a reasonable compromise.

barfo

 

[noknobs]

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/patrick-crusius/

Another "socially awkward loner" it seems.

I'm guessing he likely has some form of autism.

And many aspergers persons would be prone to gravitate towards such an ideology.

At a minimum he was a socially awkward loner who lost it.

He's probably MGTOW too. All autistic weirdos.

Generally:
White, young male socially awkward loner types that spend too much time online.

Stephen Paddock who killed 58 people in Vegas was not a loner and didn't have asperger.
Omar Mateen who killed 49 people in a Florida club was not a loner and didn't have asperger.
Devin Patrick Kelley who killed 26 people in First Baptist Church was not a loner and didn't have asperger.
Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik who killed 14 people in San Bernardino were not loners and didn't have asperger.
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold responsible for Columbine were not loners and did not have asperger.
James Holmes who killed 12 people in a movie theater was not a loner and didn't have asperger.
Aaron Alexis who killed 12 people in a Navy Yard was not a loner and didn't have asperger.
David Long who killed 13 people at a Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks was not a loner and didn't have asperger.


To do what they did you almost have to have some sort of mental illness, but for some reason you seem so intent on pigeon holing all these people as socially awkward loners with asperger. Your discrimination against that thin slice of society and some of your comments about them is a little disturbing and offensive.

If you know so much about asperger's, like you claim to, you should know that in 2013, the diagnosis of Asperger's was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

They cover up other issues that need to be dealt with. And they are way overprescribed. Part of me wants to legalize everything and another psrt wants me to ban everything.

I do believe getting people on a antidepressants is a huge problem in this country

Trust me, I HATED the idea of getting on them. I didn’t wanna be the weirdo who has to take a pill everyday, but my family and friends all have seen the difference in me. I don’t think it should be prescribed left and right, especially to kids but for some it works. It also helps I was never suicidal or anything, I’ve never had a malicious thought go through my head either. I just needed the boost to stop being a loner at home and get out there and live life.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Paddock was totally a weird loner. That asian lady was his nurse/caretaker

https://respvblica.com/2017/10/08/m...s-vegas-shooter-had-autism-spectrum-disorder/

James Holmes? Look at him, he is an total loner and "high functioning".

The Trenchcoat Mafia weren't outcast loners?



I believe that it is severely ignored and that many shooters are a result of the parents not getting their kids the mental help they need.

National psychological screening should be done to confirm things like this.

 

[Jade Falcon]

bedwetting, obviously



How many times do police pursuits kill dozens of people at a time?
We do in fact have a problem with cars in this society, and as a result we regulate the use of cars.
We have a problem with guns, but we don't regulate guns anywhere near as much as cars.

barfo

So you choose to blame the car, and not the criminal? What car regulation stopped him from stealing it, or running from the police?

We do, in fact, regulate guns. We've banned new machine guns from personal ownership, you have to get the Federal Government's permission just to own a suppressor (which isn't even a firearm) thanks to Hollywood's glamorizing, we require background checks on gun purchases, and every gun range in America has strict policies, rules, and people or range officers in place to enforce them.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I’ll never understand why civilians need semi or automatic weapons. Hunting rifles ok, pistols for self-defense I get that too, but they shouldnt even be allowed to sell those to anyone but the military.

Im not disagreeing with you, but there was a day when government military was the main fear and civilians wanted the right to have weapons of equal power to defend themselves against militia takeover.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

https://www.theneurotypical.com/autism-and-shootings.html

Eric Harris: Columbine


Eric had Criminal Autistic Psychopathy with a Narcissistic Personality and Depression.

3.1. EARLY YEARS

He was a highly intelligent child. He loved fishing with his father and loved the quietness of the mountains and lake. He was very visual and had a keen appreciation of landscape and appreciated the effect of light on water and in particular loved "water". [5]. [5] describes a neighbour's comment on Eric that he was "nice, polite, preppy, and a dork". [5] noted that "his hand was always shooting up in a class and he always had the right answer". Page 9. He was highly intelligent and of course in the long term this increased his dangerousness. He was also described as being "painfully shy". [5]. He had surgery for "pectus excabatum, an abnormally sunken sternum". [5]. This was a narcissistic wound for him as a child. Eric was "gifted analytically, excellent at maths, a technology expert and into "gadgets, computers, video games". [5].

Here again we see some overlap between General Psychopathy and Criminal Autistic Psychopathy. Cullen notes that a Little League Team mate described Eric as the "shyest out of everybody" and was restricted in what he said. His coach [5] noted that "he didn’t want to miss (a ball). He didn’t want to fail" and therefore he was very slow to swing a bat. This again shows his narcissistic vulnerability and his fear of missing which he found humiliating. In a way according to [5] Eric "scripted Columbine, as a made for TV murder". [5]. This is further evidence of his narcissism and in fantasy he re-enacted the pleasure of the massacre endlessly in the long period leading up to it. In his own mind he was the superior one, the man who was awesome and frightened the world.

[5] noted that "Eric wanted to be remembered". He certainly left his mark on the sands of time. He wanted to be feared and wanted to be in a position where nobody ever looked down on him again.

 

[noknobs]

Paddock was totally a weird loner. That asian lady was his nurse/caretaker

https://respvblica.com/2017/10/08/m...s-vegas-shooter-had-autism-spectrum-disorder/

I believe that it is severely ignored and that many shooters are a result of the parents not getting their kids the mental help they need.

National psychological screening should be done to confirm things like this.

He'd been married twice, stayed on good terms with both and had a girlfriend and traveled a lot and had never been diagnosed with anything resembling asperger's. People can speculate all they want after the fact if they're like you and are invested in some type of narrative against a group of people. But liking numerical algorithms is not a valid reason to classify someone as having asperger's. It's well known he'd been losing wealth and was depressed, and loved guns. Anti-social behavior does not equal asperger's. Are you really this ignorant on the subject? If so, shut the fuck up.

 

[barfo]

So you choose to blame the car, and not the criminal? What car regulation stopped him from stealing it, or running from the police?

Do you think driving would be better if we didn't licenses drivers, didn't require anyone to have insurance, didn't have any safety requirement on cars, didn't have any rules about speed, what lane you can drive in, how much you can drink before driving, etc?

We do, in fact, regulate guns. We've banned new machine guns from personal ownership, you have to get the Federal Government's permission just to own a suppressor (which isn't even a firearm) thanks to Hollywood's glamorizing, we require background checks on gun purchases,

Good first baby steps, although inadequate in total.

and every gun range in America has strict policies, rules, and people or range officers in place to enforce them.

Big deal. That's like saying, for cars, that racetracks have strict rules. They do, but so what?

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

https://respvblica.com/2017/10/08/m...s-vegas-shooter-had-autism-spectrum-disorder/

Respvblica was the first news source in the world to suggest that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock suffered with Autism Spectrum Disorder (one form of which was formerly called Asperger Syndrome). Now, more evidence uncovered by reporters and law enforcement authorities supports our theory.

Not only was Paddock obsessed with the numerical algorithms that helped him win big at video poker, not only was he loathe to play poker with other human beings, but he was far more limited, socially, than that. Neighbors reported waving to him or saying hello and getting no wave or hello back. His marriages could not be sustained. His recent girlfriend was repeatedly jettisoned to wait outside the room for him while he gambled on machines.

Paddock was also, apparently, fascinated by guns—collecting dozens, along with thousands and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Paddock also reportedly insisted on wearing gloves at all times while driving. He reportedly moaned to himself while attempting to sleep.

Until proven, otherwise, the leading theory, we at Respvblica.com contend is this: Stephen Paddock displayed the fascination with numbers, video gaming and mechanization (guns, in this case) and the discomfort with personal relationships, and emotion that is typical of those with Autism Spectrum Disorder.

The vast, vast majority of those with Autism Spectrum Disorder are peaceful, kind individuals who are, themselves, the victims of a mental illness. They victimize no one. But a tiny minority of those with this disorder can become very, very violent.

Adam Lanza, the young man who fatally shot 20 children and 6 adults in Newtown, Connecticut (Sandy Hook Elementary School) apparently had Autism Spectrum Disorder. Seung Hui Cho, who killed 32 people at Virginia Tech, apparently also had Austism Spectrum Disorder. So, too, did Jeffrey Dahmer. One study estimated, in fact, that 28 percent of murderers who killed more than three people suffered with Autism Spectrum Disorder.

Too little has been done to understand and respond to the potential internal rage that could build inside those with Autism Spectrum Disorder as they find themselves unavoidably marginalized—not able to sustain substantial employment, not able to create families and not able to enjoy or even fathom the purpose of large social gatherings.

Remember, one of the hallmarks of Autism Spectrum Disorder is a lack of human connectedness—which can also manifest itself as a lack of empathy for others.

With the apparent rise of Autism Spectrum Disorder in our population and the rise in mass shootings that seems to mirror it, we at Respvblica.com suggest it would be wise for the National Institute of Mental Health, the Surgeon General and law enforcement agencies to collaborate on a human, sensitive, non-stigmatizing and effective program to educate mental health providers about the need to screen those with Autism Spectrum Disorder for any violent intent.

 

[barfo]

Im not disagreeing with you, but there was a day when government military was the main fear and civilians wanted the right to have weapons of equal power to defend themselves against militia takeover.

That day is long past. And nobody is going to get a personal nuke, so the battle for equal firepower has been decisively lost.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

That day is long past. And nobody is going to get a personal nuke, so the battle for equal firepower has been decisively lost.

barfo

Like i said, i don't disagree. Just stating i understand the reasoning at the time.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Do you think driving would be better if we didn't licenses drivers, didn't require anyone to have insurance, didn't have any safety requirement on cars, didn't have any rules about speed, what lane you can drive in, how much you can drink before driving, etc?

We have rules and, in fact, safety requirements as well. If you don't follow the rules of gun safety, bad things can happen; the same if you violate the rules of safety with a car.

Hell, I can't buy a gun without having a goddamn safety warning actually engraved or printed permanently on the barrel. The barrel of my GP100 looks like a giant warning label.

Good first baby steps, although inadequate in total.

They aren't inadequate, actually. You just have to follow them like any law-abiding citizen. Shocking, I know....

Big deal. That's like saying, for cars, that racetracks have strict rules. They do, but so what?

And there are strict consequences if you break the rules, that's what is so. On a racetrack, if you break the rules, you can hurt or kill someone, and you lose your racing license and privileges, and possibly face prison time as well depending on the circumstances. With a gun, if you break the law to a felony extent, which means that you either hurt, threatened, or killed someone, then you lose your right to firearm ownership, and you have to go to prison.

That's how society works.

 

[barfo]

They aren't inadequate, actually. You just have to follow them like any law-abiding citizen. Shocking, I know....

Sure. Let's just get everyone to obey the law. What's your plan for that?

And there are strict consequences if you break the rules, that's what is so. On a racetrack, you can hurt or kill someone, and you lose your racing license and privileges, and possibly face prison time as well depending on the circumstances.

Yeah, the point is, most issues with cars don't happen on racetracks; most issues with guns don't happen at shooting ranges.
You are actually arguing against yourself with that example - if gun ranges are safe, it's because they are well-regulated, as you state they are.

barfo

 

[THE HCP]

Drip with hate? Is this common dialog here? Why would anyone know you knew someone gunned down recently?

They would know because there is a thread on this exact page discussing his murder. I can’t believe you actually got two people to like this post aimed at me?

 

[calvin natt]

Militarized intelligence division to find illegal guns and get them off the street. Give them unprecedented powers to get America safe

Make possession and distribution of them a major crime. Life in prison.

There should be a National gun database tied to their owners, who should go through a background check and psychological profile every 2 years.

And these firearms should be RFID'd to make them trackable. Crime to disable this tracking or to lose your gun.

Agree completely. Seems so logical.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Sure. Let's just get everyone to obey the law. What's your plan for that?

Punish people when they break the law. What else do you want? Put people in camps and watch them 24/7 and control everything they do?

This is America, not a Communist dictatorship.

Yeah, the point is, most issues with cars don't happen on racetracks

You're right, it happens after a night of drinking. Funny though.....nobody calls for banning alcohol. I do, however, hear people stressing the importance of personal responsibility by not drinking and driving though.

I've had 9 encounters with drunk drivers, including a double-fatality. Never once did I blame the beer they were drinking.

most issues with guns don't happen at shooting ranges.

You're right, they tend to happen in the inner cities between gang members. Go look at Chicago's firearm laws, and how badly they've affected the entire state of Illinois, then take a look at gang violence in Chicago, and tell me how those firearm laws are working out for them. Or how about Baltimore....I just read of a mass gang shooting there this morning on Yahoo; yet I don't see any mainstream news covering it. What is being done to stop GANG violence, and why is nobody talking about it? And why is this my problem as a law-abiding gun owner?

if gun ranges are safe, it's because they are well-regulated, as you state they are.

Yes, unfortunately, bad things happen, and mistakes are made, even on gun ranges. I know of two cases where accidents happened because of negligence at a manned range, which costed two people their lives. Poor choices and mistakes happen. That is life. The best we can all do is be as safe as possible in our daily lives.

I could die tomorrow in a car accident. That's not going to stop me from driving a car. I could go to the range next week and a child could inadvertently shoot me in the head on the firing line. That's not going to stop me from going to the range.

And if someone sees something that is dangerous, they need to speak up and tell someone or, in the case of being out in public, call the police immediately. That's just being responsible. Exercise both safety and responsibility in your daily life, and you'll very likely be just fine.

 

[THE HCP]

Drip with hate? Is this common dialog here? Why would anyone know you knew someone gunned down recently?

We good now?

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