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DaLincolnJones said:
You do realize that the entire controversy was started by the Clinton campaign, dont you?

As far as warren, she is a goof. As stated elsewhere, a DNA test would prove or disprove her story.
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It was not. You should check that out before making false assertions.
 
Sounds like some people in this thread have some crow to eat.

barfo
 
I can't wait until she EVISCERATES him in the debates when ALL HE HAS is his racism to debate with.

 
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Here is the actual part of the report that matters

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Results. The results were as follows:
(1) The great majority of the individual’s identifiable ancestry is European: 95% of high confidence
segments (defined as those segments with at least 99% posterior probability of assignment) were
identified by RFMix as being of European origin. This is likely an underestimate as many of the segments
not classified as high-confidence are also likely to be European in origin. The analysis also identified 5
genetic segments as Native American in origin at high confidence, defined at the 99% posterior
probability value. We performed several additional analyses to confirm the presence of Native American
ancestry and to estimate the position of the ancestor in the individual’s pedigree.
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(2) The largest segment identified as having Native American ancestry is on chromosome 10. This
segment is 13.4 centiMorgans in genetic length, and spans approximately 4,700,000 DNA bases. Based
on a principal components analysis (Novembre et al., 2008), this segment is clearly distinct from
segments of European ancestry (nominal p-value 7.4 x 10-7, corrected p-value of 2.6 x 10-4) and is
strongly associated with Native American ancestry.
(3) The total length of the 5 genetic segments identified as having Native American ancestry is 25.6
centiMorgans, and they span approximately 12,300,000 DNA bases. The average segment length is 5.8
centiMorgans. The total and average segment size suggest (via the method of moments) an unadmixed
Native American ancestor in the pedigree at approximately 8 generations before the sample, although
the actual number could be somewhat lower or higher (Gravel, 2012 and Huff et al., 2011).
(4) The sample was compared to the results of the 185 reference individuals with European ancestry,
from Great Britain and Utah.
• The segment on chromosome 10 observed in the individual is larger than any of the segments
identified as having Native American ancestry in any of the 185 reference individuals.
• The total length of Native American segments observed in the individual is greater than the
average value for the reference individuals — by 12.4-fold (corresponding to 12.7 standard deviations)
for the individuals from Great Britain and 10.5-fold (corresponding to 4.9 standard deviations) for the
individuals from Utah.
(5) The sample also contained smaller segments that could not be reliably assigned to any specific
ancestry group (at 99% posterior probability). The total length of these unassigned segments was 366
centiMorgans, and they span 267,650,000 DNA bases.
Conclusion. While the vast majority of the individual’s ancestry is European, the results strongly support
the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor in the individual’s pedigree, likely in the range
of 6-10 generations ago."
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have looked around a bit, did she release what percentage of her DNA is Native American?

Here is the actual report........ it's too early in the morning to try to read this.
https://mk0elizabethwarh5ore.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Bustamante_Report_2018.pdf

Don't most colleges require you to prove a percentage of heritage to receive benefits?
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I don't think she actually ever received any benefits for having minority heritage. I remember watching some special about it months ago. And it showed she declared herself caucasian. And then at some point it changed, but this was after she was already admitted into law school, or something like that. Anyway, if anyone has a good source showing she benefitted, let me know. I would be interested in reading about it.
 
Correction: Due to a math error, a story about Elizabeth Warren misstated the ancestry percentage of a potential 10th generation relative. It should be 1/1,024.
 
barfo said:
Sounds like some people in this thread have some crow to eat.

barfo
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Nah - they will just claim the test was faked. The reichwing has lost all sense of honesty or shame and there is no reason to expect them to change now.
 
Sedatedfork said:
I don't think she actually ever received any benefits for having minority heritage. I remember watching some special about it months ago. And it showed she declared herself caucasian. And then at some point it changed, but this was after she was already admitted into law school, or something like that. Anyway, if anyone has a good source showing she benefitted, let me know. I would be interested in reading about it.
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Yeah, I honestly have no idea how it works. Native American heritage and benefits are not something I know much about. One of my friends says he has Blackfeet heritage, but that his ancestor wasn't on the tribe registry so he couldn't get benefits. That's purely anecdotal. He said that he had looked into it.

Honestly, I really don't care one way or the other about Warren's heritage. It's really up to the Tribes to decide if they care because she's claiming heritage.
 
To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American. That’s because scientists believe that the groups Americans refer to as Native American came to this land via the Bering Strait about 12,000 years ago and settled in what’s now America but also migrated further south. His report explained that the use of reference populations whose genetic material has been fully sequenced was designed “for maximal accuracy.”

Bustamante said he can tease out the markers that these South Americans would have in common with Native Americans on the North American continent.
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So if the average American with heritage that dates back to the 1700s did this test, what would it show?
 
Natebishop3 said:
So if the average American with heritage that dates back to the 1700s did this test, what would it show?
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What do you mean by 'heritage that dates back to the 1700s'?

barfo
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have looked around a bit, did she release what percentage of her DNA is Native American?

Here is the actual report........ it's too early in the morning to try to read this.
https://mk0elizabethwarh5ore.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Bustamante_Report_2018.pdf

Don't most colleges require you to prove a percentage of heritage to receive benefits?
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A local news site said she had 1/32nd, which isn't enough for most tribes to take her unless it's one of those east coast tribes that were completely decimated.

She has more than I thought she would, I'll admit it, but not enough to be "indian".
 
barfo said:
What do you mean by 'heritage that dates back to the 1700s'?

barfo
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Sorry, I mean heritage in North America that dates back to the 1700s. For example, I have relatives that fought in the Revolutionary War.
 
santeesioux said:
A local news site said she had 1/32nd, which isn't enough for most tribes to take her unless it's one of those east coast tribes that were completely decimated.

She has more than I thought she would, I'll admit it, but not enough to be "indian".
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She didn't ask/apply/claim to be a tribal member. She just said that she had some Native in her ancestry, which she does.

barfo
 
barfo said:
She didn't ask/apply/claim to be a tribal member. She just said that she had some Native in her ancestry, which she does.

barfo
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But why bring it up in the first place? It’s not like her grandma grew up on the reservation.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sorry, I mean heritage in North America that dates back to the 1700s. For example, I have relatives that fought in the Revolutionary War.
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So your question is, are all whites part Native, if they've got ancestors who were in the US back then?
I don't know the answer, but I'd guess not.

barfo
 
barfo said:
So your question is, are all whites part Native, if they've got ancestors who were in the US back then?
I don't know the answer, but I'd guess not.

barfo
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I’m just curious if you did DNA tests on every person with heritage dating back to that era, what percentage would have Native American ancestry?
 
Natebishop3 said:
But why bring it up in the first place? It’s not like her grandma grew up on the reservation.
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She didn't bring it up. Republicans brought it up as a way to attack her.

barfo
 
Natebishop3 said:
She brought it up at some point, otherwise nobody would have known about it.
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She checked a box on university forms years ago. Republican opposition researchers found those forms and publicized them.

barfo
 
A lot of tribes like mine also require you to have some genealogy/family trees proving it too. Mine is so strict they only take you if you're under 2 years old and can prove lineage to two women from the early 1800s (my family can't so I don't get any benefits).
 
santeesioux said:
A lot of tribes like mine also require you to have some genealogy/family trees proving it too. Mine is so strict they only take you if you're under 2 years old and can prove lineage to two women from the early 1800s (my family can't so I don't get any benefits).
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That's interesting. So your tribe only dates back to 1800? Where did those 2 women come from?

barfo
 
barfo said:
She checked a box on university forms years ago. Republican opposition researchers found those forms and publicized them.

barfo
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So that seems like a totally valid thing to question. When you choose a career in public office, you open yourself up to scrutiny. If someone was to claim military service, they don’t get to be indignant if someone asks them to verify it. Whether it’s on a college form, job application or just off the cuff.
 
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