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Natebishop3 said:
Being born in the United States is a pre-requisite to becoming President. Is it not?

If you applied for a job that required a certain degree, would you be upset if that employer asked you to show proof of that degree?
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They sometimes require a certified copy of your graduation sent direct to the company from the University. Ask me how I know.
 
Natebishop3 said:
To claim that she's Native American? No. She's not. She can definitely claim that she has American Indian heritage, but to claim that she's Native American on any kind of form is pretty ludicrous. I'm sorry.

I'm curious, if a Republican was running saying that they're African American because they have a report showing that they are 1.4% African, how would you feel about that?
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Where does it say that she's 1.4% Native American?
 
barfo said:
You should be sorry, because you are beating a strawman. She did not ever claim anything other than she had a distant ancestor that was Native American.

barfo
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1. Dviss said "So it's gone from "she's white" to "she's not native enough". to which I replied "To claim that she's Native American? No. She's not."

So what strawman am I creating? What is she not native enough to do?

2. What was she claiming when she checked the box marked "Native American?"

If you fill out a form that asks you to check a box for your ethnicity, do you usually pick more than one option?
 
barfo said:
You should be sorry, because you are beating a strawman. She did not ever claim anything other than she had a distant ancestor that was Native American.

barfo
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Incorrect. There is no dispute that Warren formally notified officials at the University of Pennsylvania and then Harvard claiming Native American heritage after she was hired.
 
Lanny said:
Where does it say that she's 1.4% Native American?
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I swear to god you guys don't actually read anything, and just go around putting words into people's mouths.

If you happened to click the link that was in the subsequent post, you would see that there was a celebrity who found out he is 1.4% African.

Do I have to reply to every one of your posts saying something along the lines of, "where did I say that?"
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't know. I'm sure you could find out if you want an answer. I was just curious what the process is for schools to verify Native American heritage to receive benefits, not necessarily for Warren.
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Why should I do your heavy lifting? I never made the assertion that she got benefits from being partially Native American, you did.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I swear to god you guys don't actually read anything, and just go around putting words into people's mouths.

If you happened to click the link that was in the subsequent post, you would see that there was a celebrity who found out he is 1.4% African.

Do I have to reply to every one of your posts saying something along the lines of, "where did I say that?"
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All of us have African ancestry.
 
tlongII said:
Incorrect. There is no dispute that Warren formally notified officials at the University of Pennsylvania and then Harvard claiming Native American heritage after she was hired.
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And that was a true statement on her part. Native American heritage is what she has. What did you think Native American heritage meant?

barfo
 
Lanny said:
Why should I do your heavy lifting? I never made the assertion that she got benefits from being partially Native American, you did.
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Where? Where did I make the assertion that she got benefits? Please point me to that post.

I asked a general question about how college's verify ethnicity for benefits. "Don't most colleges require you to prove a percentage of heritage to receive benefits?"
 
Natebishop3 said:
Where? Where did I make the assertion that she got benefits? Please point me to that post.

I asked a general question about how college's verify ethnicity for benefits. "Don't most colleges require you to prove a percentage of heritage to receive benefits?"
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U of Oregon did require proof. I gave them a copy of my father's birth certificate.
 
Natebishop3 said:
1. Dviss said "So it's gone from "she's white" to "she's not native enough". to which I replied "To claim that she's Native American? No. She's not."

So what strawman am I creating? What is she not native enough to do?

2. What was she claiming when she checked the box marked "Native American?"

If you fill out a form that asks you to check a box for your ethnicity, do you usually pick more than one option?
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I once checked such a box even though I'm only about 1/16 Native American. It's what young people occasionally do. Anyhow, what's the big deal? She never received any benefits for it.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
U of Oregon did require proof. I gave them a copy of my father's birth certificate.
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You know in those large classes where there would be professional note takers and you could get them for a fee. I got them for free!
 
barfo said:
And that was a true statement on her part. Native American heritage is what she has. What did you think Native American heritage meant?

barfo
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Again incorrect. There was no corroborating evidence at the time of her claim that she contained native American ancestry.
 
Lanny said:
I once checked such a box even though I'm only about 1/16 Native American. It's what young people occasionally do. Anyhow, what's the big deal? She never received any benefits for it.
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Well..... 1/16 is a damn sight more Native American than 1/64 or 1/1,024.
 
Natebishop3 said:
1. Dviss said "So it's gone from "she's white" to "she's not native enough". to which I replied "To claim that she's Native American? No. She's not."

So what strawman am I creating?
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That's the strawman you are creating, right there. She's never claimed to be 'Native American' in the sense of full-blooded member of the tribe.

She also never claimed to be an astronaut, do you want to assert that she's not an astronaut?

2. What was she claiming when she checked the box marked "Native American?"
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That she had native american ancestry. What did you think she was claiming?

If you fill out a form that asks you to check a box for your ethnicity, do you usually pick more than one option?
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I've never seen a form that says 'don't check any box if you aren't 100% sure you are 100% that ethnicity'.

In reality, at that point in time, yes, the form creator was very likely happy to pick up any trace ethnicity, so she filled out the form in keeping with what was expected of her.

barfo
 
Lanny said:
How did Neanderthals get into the conversation? Was that supposed to be a slam?
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Everyone with European or Asian ancestry has very small traces of Neanderthal ancestry in them. I was joking that the tiny amount of Native blood in her was less than her Neanderthal ancestry.
 
tlongII said:
Again incorrect. There was no corroborating evidence at the time of her claim that she contained native American ancestry.
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Incorrect, what she is has nothing to do with whether she had evidence or not. What she is was later sustained by proof but the proof doesn't change the fact that she was part Native American from the day she was born.
 
tlongII said:
Again incorrect. There was no corroborating evidence at the time of her claim that she contained native American ancestry.
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Things can be true even if there is no corroborating evidence presented at the time. There's a difference between true and proven.

It is true that I have $3 in my pocket right this minute. I can't prove it since there is no one here to examine my pockets.

barfo
 
SlyPokerDog said:
It would only be a slam if you told a neanderthal he was part Lanny.
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Just because I eat with my fingers.
Have you seen those Neanderthal babes? Man, they should make a pin-up calendar. Hot, hot, hot.
 
barfo said:
That's the strawman you are creating, right there. She's never claimed to be 'Native American' in the sense of full-blooded member of the tribe.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh I must have missed the part where it asks you if you're a full blooded member of a tribe or if you're just a little Native Americanish. I didn't realize that you were supposed to check a box based on what your old family lore said might have happened a few hundred years ago. Did she check more than one box or just Native American?

She also never claimed to be an astronaut, do you want to assert that she's not an astronaut?
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Did she ever check a box saying she was an astronaut?

That she had native american ancestry. What did you think she was claiming? I've never seen a form that says 'don't check any box if you aren't 100% sure you are 100% that ethnicity'.
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Oh please, I have never once seen one of those questions ask if you have a very small percentage of Native American or Black or Hispanic. They want to know what your ethnicity is. If I were to put anything other than Caucasian I would be lying. And since her DNA came back as 95% European, she was lying as well.

In reality, at that point in time, yes, the form creator was very likely happy to pick up any trace ethnicity, so she filled out the form in keeping with what was expected of her.

barfo
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If college's are trying to promote diversity, getting another white person who is 95% European isn't going to help, and checking boxes for tiny parts of our DNA makeup is being disingenuous. If I were to do a DNA test and found out that I was 5% African, would it be fair to mark that I'm African American on a college application?
 
barfo said:
Another strawman. She is not claiming tribal membership or anything of the sort.

barfo
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Well, the Cherokee seem to think there's more there, and I'm willing to bet more tribes will be issuing statements.
 
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