Elliot Williams and his future role

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Mediocre Man said:
He's Jarrett Jack on steroids.
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How so?

Jack had at least a weak jumper. Williams has nothing right now.

Jack was a below average defender. Williams is touted for that.

Jack wasn't much of a playmaker.

They don't seem all that similar to me.
 
Masbee said:
How so?

Jack had at least a weak jumper. Williams has nothing right now.
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Since when does a guy who shoots 37% from three on 5 attempts a game have a "weak jumper"?

I'm pretty sure he was joking about the "steroids" comment (See T-Rex)

But, Williams' final year of college compared to Jack's:

18 pts; 15.5 pts
4 asst; 4.5 asst
53% FG; 48%FG
37% 3PT; 36% 3PT

Playmaking similar, 3pt shot similar, Williams is likely a better defender, but Jack wasn't bad.
 
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Reep said:
Since when does a guy who shoots 37% from three on 5 attempts a game have a "weak jumper"?

I'm pretty sure he was joking about the "steroids" comment (See T-Rex)

But, Williams' final year of college compared to Jack's:

18 pts; 15.5 pts
4 asst; 4.5 asst
53% FG; 48%FG
37% 3PT; 36% 3PT

Playmaking similar, 3pt shot similar, Williams is likely a better defender, but Jack wasn't bad.
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Hmmm. Then why was Williams described as a "defensive, playmaker"? His jumper seems fine.
 
Reep said:
Since when does a guy who shoots 37% from three on 5 attempts a game have a "weak jumper"?

I'm pretty sure he was joking about the "steroids" comment (See T-Rex)

But, Williams' final year of college compared to Jack's:

18 pts; 15.5 pts
4 asst; 4.5 asst
53% FG; 48%FG
37% 3PT; 36% 3PT

Playmaking similar, 3pt shot similar, Williams is likely a better defender, but Jack wasn't bad.
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One's a PG, the other a SG.
 
Masbee said:
How so?

Jack had at least a weak jumper. Williams has nothing right now.

Jack was a below average defender. Williams is touted for that.

Jack wasn't much of a playmaker.

They don't seem all that similar to me.
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Maybe my funny bone wasn't working today? Either that, or those who commented on this missed it.

Williams has been compared by many to Bayless. Bayless was compared to Jarrett Jack on steroids by KP.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Maybe you didn't notice the "no-step" part of that sentence. Meaning he has a 41 inch vertical flat footed. He has a 48 inch vertical if he can take a step and jump.
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Okay, thanks. I've read a couple of places of people, including Blazer staff, wondering whether the 41 and 48 are misprints. Who in history has been 48 or higher? David Thompson, Darrell Griffith, Guillermo Diaz were all lower. The highest in history on this list is 39.5 no-step and 45.5 running (Kenny Gregory, 2001). Elliott Williams isn't on this list.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre...l&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&source=All&sort=12
 
jlprk said:
Okay, thanks. I've read a couple of places of people, including Blazer staff, wondering whether the 41 and 48 are misprints. Who in history has been 48 or higher? David Thompson, Darrell Griffith, Guillermo Diaz were all lower. The highest in history on this list is 39.5 no-step and 45.5 running (Kenny Gregory, 2001). Elliott Williams isn't on this list.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre...l&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&source=All&sort=12
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Williams himself confirmed 48" in an interview. He said he did it at one of his workouts (LA comes to mind?), not at the pre draft combine......If that helps?
 
Reep said:
Since when does a guy who shoots 37% from three on 5 attempts a game have a "weak jumper"?

I'm pretty sure he was joking about the "steroids" comment (See T-Rex)

But, Williams' final year of college compared to Jack's:

18 pts; 15.5 pts
4 asst; 4.5 asst
53% FG; 48%FG
37% 3PT; 36% 3PT

Playmaking similar, 3pt shot similar, Williams is likely a better defender, but Jack wasn't bad.
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Folks can argue stats all they want. Everybody knows what Jack was really known for. He was a player who put out good effort but would make mindnumblingly bad plays especially when the game was on the line. I find it hard to believe that Williams will match him in that regard.
 
...and Matthews plays where??
 
ABM said:
...and Matthews plays where??
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You mean Williams plays where? Williams is the guy that probably has to earn playing time here, not Mathews.

IMO Williams will probably be competing with Jerryd more for playing time than Mathews.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Williams himself confirmed 48" in an interview. He said he did it at one of his workouts (LA comes to mind?), not at the pre draft combine......If that helps?
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Having heard/read countless players inflating their measurables only to come up well short according to the pre-draft measuring tape, I'd rather see an actual measurement then take a player at their word.

I can recall Portland's website touting supposed Outlaw's 48" vert... interesting how he didn't go to his pre-draft either

STOMP
 
He's in camp right now, so a reporter should ask McMillan to have his jump measured this week. I'm sure the team would like it verified, too. If he can drive and leap, he can out-Bayless Bayless.
 
For what it's worth:

The guy who has been consistenly causing jaws to drop wide open is Elliot. I talked to a scout today who believes Portland may have gotten the steal of the first-round of the draft. We all heard the stuff about Williams recording a 48" vertical jump in pre-draft testing. So, he was tested again. He actually bettered that mark. I've never seen a guy who causes the entire gym to stop, turn, and watch, when his vertical is tested. Jeff Pendergraph told me this week he's never seen anything like it, and said he saw Elliot take just two steps, go off TWO feet, and hit the 12-foot mark with his right hand.
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You all have a chance to see in 16 days at the JamFest! The dunks in the warmup drills of past events have been the best part!
 
HCP said:
Never seen him play, but I'm looking forward to it!
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"Never seen him play." That pretty well sums it up, doesn't it? Another toy that looked cool in the package....but when you take it out, it is already broken.
 
oldmangrouch said:
How inaccurate? They drafted him knowing he had a pre-existing knee injury.

(why do you think he missed summer league?)
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If he didn't have that knee injury, he probably wouldn't have slipped to us.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
If he didn't have that knee injury, he probably wouldn't have slipped to us.

Ed O.
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I think you are directing this to the wrong person. BGrantFan is the one who seems to be questioning whether he was injured before the draft.
 
oldmangrouch said:
How inaccurate? They drafted him knowing he had a pre-existing knee injury.

(why do you think he missed summer league?)
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...and we didn't draft DeJuan Blair with one of our 5 second round picks because he had "knee problems". Nicolas Batum fell in our laps late in the first round because he had "heart" problems.

Drafting isn't an exact science.
 
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oldmangrouch said:
"Never seen him play." That pretty well sums it up, doesn't it? Another toy that looked cool in the package....but when you take it out, it is already broken.
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More than a little ironic from the guy who excoriated the team last year for not selecting Blair.
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