Enough of this....

[BlazerCaravan]

Typical thread on this forum...crying like a little girl.

Repped. This forum's gone to the dogs even as the team has improved.

On BBF I had maybe 7 people on my ignore list. On this forum, with all the quality posters driven to the fringes by threads like these, there's no reason to even be here.

I didn't add much here; I know that. But I've been tagging along with this group since the BLT days. This is by far the most asinine it's ever been. When MARIS is one of your "top tier" posters, you have a problem with your board!

I'm done with you lot.

 

[DaRizzle]

we suck!

 

[PapaG]

Wow, what a ridiculous thread.

 

[THE HCP]

This is the kind of thread that will unfortunately make me want to stop visiting this place.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

If ya don"t like the thread, don't respond to it! How hard is that? Trolls are people who come to criticize and add nothing else! I don't respond to posts I don't like or want to add to, I don't jump on to attack someone who is discussing hoops. If you don't like the hoop topic move on.

Techad, I have a whole paragraph of suggestions if you read my post. Guess not again!

Well since this thread is so lame I guess I'll ask to have it closed! I wouldn't want to be called a little crying girl anymore, or have more kind adjectives used to discuss my thoughts from the gifted posters on this board who come up with them all day and add nothing else!

 

[KingSpeed]

Objectively, I think that Oden is somewhat concerning. Yes, he is still very young and coming off a major injury. Games like Chicago give hope for what we can see come in the future. But he doesn't show the promise that a lot of other young big men have done in the past, whether that be KG, Amare, Shaq, etc. etc.

At this point I don't think he'll be a dominant center in the league. Dwight Howard will have that role for quite a while. He can be a very good, All-Star caliber player however. It's still too early to tell. Hopes of him living up to the hype like LeBron did are not good, but he won't be as bad as the Kandiman or other major busts either. That being said, he still is young. You have to give him another two years to see what he'll likely become. Look at how much guys like Devin Harris and Danny Granger improved since last season.

It's true. He really doesn't look like he's on the path to the Hall of Fame. He's actually gotten worse as the year has gone on. When we won the #1 pick, I think we all expected a superstar and not a future Devin Harris or Danny Granger, good players but we expected someone on a higher level.

 

[KingSpeed]

This is true. However, it's not domination that some of us expected - it's respectability. I think most of us feel Joel Pryzz has been FAR more helpful to this team, and nobody would say he "dominates". Some of us aren't asking for Greg to be an elite center THIS YEAR - we just didn't expect the guy to play this bad.

Exactly. I'm glad people are finally coming forward and saying this.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

It's true. He really doesn't look like he's on the path to the Hall of Fame. He's actually gotten worse as the year has gone on. When we won the #1 pick, I think we all expected a superstar and not a future Devin Harris or Danny Granger, good players but we expected someone on a higher level.

We also didn't expect him to have microfracture surgery before he even played. Perspective is good and may help with the emotional rollercoaster you often seem to be riding.

 

[KingSpeed]

Yeah, he's played poorly of late. But don't deny that he's had some good games and also certainly had great flashes of what he CAN be. And y'all know what? The inconsistency is part of most every rookie's experience (with very few exceptions).

But when we won the lotto in 2007, were you expecting an "exception"? I know I was. I know you were too. But what we got was a 1st year no show and a 2nd year 7.9/6.9 and dropping. He has little to no impact on our team this year and everyone in here and his teammates thought he would.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

64 responses is a lot for a crappy thread that makes everyone not want to be here anymore? HMMMMMM.... Most responded thread of the day. It really needs to be shut down. Thanks mods for allowing such a crappy thread to exist as long as ya did!

 

[KingSpeed]

Shaq came in and dominated, Wilt came in and domintad, Kareem domintaed! Oden was put into that once in a decade type of realm, not by me!!!! That's why we took him over KD. The experts all said you can't pass on a center with this type of talent, once in a franchise type of center! Calling me foolish for listening to experts who get paid well more than any of you do for your opinions seems quite odd. Oden was brought in to be the hub of this team. Make no mistake about that. You build around your center!

I know he's coming off a surgery, but meet me half way!!!!

Exactly. A once in a decade franchise center would be giving us at least 25/10 by now, what should be his second year. So be it. But less than that is fine. But 8/7??? How bout meeting me halfway with 12/10??? 12/10 isn't "great," but I would've gladly accepted it. He's too big and strong to have FOUR games this season in which he only grabbed ONE rebound. He doesn't have a zest for dominating this game. No fire. At this point in the season, he should be a little more comfortable and able to crash the boards for us pretty consistently. It's upsetting.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Exactly. A once in a decade franchise center would be giving us at least 25/10 by now, what should be his second year. So be it. But less than that is fine. But 8/7??? How bout meeting me halfway with 12/10??? 12/10 isn't "great," but I would've gladly accepted it. He's too big and strong to have FOUR games this season in which he only grabbed ONE rebound. He doesn't have a zest for dominating this game. No fire. At this point in the season, he should be a little more comfortable and able to crash the boards for us pretty consistently. It's upsetting.

You should probably just delete your Greg Oden fan club thread and throw that number one fan foam finger in the fire at this point.

 

[KingSpeed]

We also didn't expect him to have microfracture surgery before he even played. Perspective is good and may help with the emotional rollercoaster you often seem to be riding.

That's my point. I expected more when we drafted him. If you knew we were getting nothing from him in season 1 and only 8/7 from him in season 2, would you still have been excited?

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Well before I say anything about Greg not being capable of an elite center status, I'd like him to have the best platform to atleast try! I don't think he's gotten that yet, not for his skill set.

 

[yenniedn]

But when we won the lotto in 2007, were you expecting an "exception"? I know I was. I know you were too. But what we got was a 1st year no show and a 2nd year 7.9/6.9 and dropping. He has little to no impact on our team this year and everyone in here and his teammates thought he would.

Speed, how do you propose to know what I was thinking??? I was excited as hell to have the first pick but like most other things in life, there are no guarantees. We knew what we were getting in Oden - a whole lot of upside but basically a very raw and young athlete who would need some time to fulfill his potential. And yet, this soon into his first season people are going nuts already.

I like you as a person and a poster but you're depressing the shit out of me with your downer attitude; have you been hanging out with Mixum or something?

64 responses is a lot for a crappy thread that makes everyone not want to be here anymore? HMMMMMM.... Most responded thread of the day. It really needs to be shut down. Thanks mods for allowing such a crappy thread to exist as long as ya did!

Just because a thread gets a lot of replies doesn't make it any good. If you take a look back at the bulk of the replies, many/most of them say the same thing: this thread is retarded.

 

[KingSpeed]

Speed, how do you propose to know what I was thinking??? I was excited as hell to have the first pick but like most other things in life, there are no guarantees. We knew what we were getting in Oden - a whole lot of upside but basically a very raw and young athlete who would need some time to fulfill his potential. And yet, this soon into his first season people are going nuts already.

I like you as a person and a poster but you're depressing the shit out of me with your downer attitude.

If I'm depressing you then it must mean that you believe that some of what I'm saying is true. It IS depressing. I'm depressed about it. Am I just supposed to squelch my feelings? Or should I merely stop expecting anything out of Greg Oden? Just let it go and wait a couple years and see how I feel then? As for mixum, he never depresses me because I hardly ever agree with him that we're having a bad season and should make trades. We have the 9th best record league and I like the people we have. I don't want to trade anyone.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

That's my point. I expected more when we drafted him. If you knew we were getting nothing from him in season 1 and only 8/7 from him in season 2, would you still have been excited?

Yes, because I was and still am very excited to have Greg Oden and to be developing him. I am not so much excited at the prospect of McMillan doing this, but that is another topic.

It's like being told that the best young musical prospect has signed onto your musical for ten years and you know she brings with her the best chance at critical acclaim and success. Yet before she ever gets to open a show she has surgery on her vocal chords that take a year to even get to the point where she can get on stage again and sing and recite her lines. During the year following her initial rehab there are ups and downs, and sometimes her voice falters terribly but even in the faltering you see the potential.

Then there are the nights where she feels strong with her voice and trusts her vocal chords again and you get a reminder that this is just the surface and the best is yet to come (provided her coach doesn't continue to put her in situations where she gets exposed at this part in her coming back to the stage and performing). If she is still at this inconsistent point three years down the line after everything has been tried then yeah you start writing her off.

But in her first year back? No. You take the bumps along the way and realize this is an unprecedented (wow we have heard that word a lot these past few weeks) situation and look at the big picture.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Then why respond? Makes ya wonder! If it's crap don't respond or have a counter point besides "IT's Retarded!"

 

[BatumKaboom]

Okafor is 6'10 with shoes on! Greg should have punished his ass in the low post all night long!

Okafor is in his 6th year right? 5th year? #2 pick? Defensive minded player?

Or am I thinking of another Okafor?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Okafor is in his 6th year right? 5th year? #2 pick? Defensive minded player?

Or am I thinking of another Okafor?

Also rookie of the year over Dwight Howard.


If Oden becomes Okafor I'll be ecstatic

 

[Denny Crane]

The Bulls once had a young core of Artest, Brad Miller, and Elton Brand. Won 15 games. Sent them all packing so we could develop two C's right out of HS (Curry, Chandler). Chandler's proven to be a decent starting C, Curry seems to have eaten himself out of the league and never got how to play the whole game. Neither of them are with the Bulls, as well.

Yeah, it IS really tough to develop a team with a lot of youth and keep it together.

It's not surprising that some of the fans want to see the O run through Oden and other through Roy and others through some other player.

Seems to me the NBA game has really gone away from trying to feed the big guys (Kareem et al) in the post every play. Dwight Howard gets just 12 FGA per game.

What you really want from Oden is a few easy baskets when you need them and to play solid D. If he can he's at least a threat to score on every posession, he'll open the floor for the wings.

My $.02

 

[Nikolokolus]

The Bulls once had a young core of Artest, Brad Miller, and Elton Brand. Won 15 games. Sent them all packing so we could develop two C's right out of HS (Curry, Chandler). Chandler's proven to be a decent starting C, Curry seems to have eaten himself out of the league and never got how to play the whole game. Neither of them are with the Bulls, as well.

Yeah, it IS really tough to develop a team with a lot of youth and keep it together.

It's not surprising that some of the fans want to see the O run through Oden and other through Roy and others through some other player.

Seems to me the NBA game has really gone away from trying to feed the big guys (Kareem et al) in the post every play. Dwight Howard gets just 12 FGA per game.

What you really want from Oden is a few easy baskets when you need them and to play solid D. If he can he's at least a threat to score on every posession, he'll open the floor for the wings.

My $.02

Pearls before swine in my opinion -- but I appreciate it.

 

[yenniedn]

Then why respond? Makes ya wonder! If it's crap don't respond or have a counter point besides "IT's Retarded!"

Man, you just don't get it or want to get it. Most of the replies here have been to punch holes in your argument and yet you just keep going on with your crying . . . see the reply several post about Okafor above - shows you're wrong about your contention that he's a nothing/nobody but you'll just disregard that too.

I say this is retarded because I've made numerous counter points in this thread, which you've obviously not read or simply don't understand. To over-react and cry like a little baby about your unrealistic expectation - and then to have so many point that out to you and be ignored . . . that's why it's retarded.

So I'll take your advice and not reply any further. No point beating a dead horse.

 

[mook]

The Bulls once had a young core of Artest, Brad Miller, and Elton Brand. Won 15 games. Sent them all packing so we could develop two C's right out of HS (Curry, Chandler).

Man, if that isn't an eye-opener, I don't know what is.

Funny to think that if they'd just been a little patient and put a few pieces around those three, they'd have been contenders for the Finals a few years ago. Still would be a pretty dominating team. The irony is now they don't really have any quality big men.

Thankfully, I think we're past the point where the GM would want to blow up the nucleus of Roy/Aldridge/Oden. They may at some point swap out one of those three for another pretty good player, but it's hard to imagine them dumping all three. But the desperate moves that comes with a 15 win team aren't likely to happen to Portland for another 10-12 years.

 

[B-Roy]

Exactly. A once in a decade franchise center would be giving us at least 25/10 by now, what should be his second year. So be it. But less than that is fine. But 8/7??? How bout meeting me halfway with 12/10??? 12/10 isn't "great," but I would've gladly accepted it. He's too big and strong to have FOUR games this season in which he only grabbed ONE rebound. He doesn't have a zest for dominating this game. No fire. At this point in the season, he should be a little more comfortable and able to crash the boards for us pretty consistently. It's upsetting.

You're too caught up with the Labels rather than the facts.

 

[hasoos]

You know I see talk like this, and then when I watch the game and watch the Blazer guards refuse to throw him the ball when he has good position, over, and over, and over and over again. It is no wonder he is frustrated. They might as well be freezing him out of the offense.

 

[PapaG]

You know I see talk like this, and then when I watch the game and watch the Blazer guards refuse to throw him the ball when he has good position, over, and over, and over and over again. It is no wonder he is frustrated. They might as well be freezing him out of the offense.

He received the ball on the low block at least 3 times early in the Charlotte game. Then he went to the bench 4:30 into the game due to silly fouls. Why continue to feed the guy if you can't depend on him to stay in the game? It disrupts the entire offense because as soon as Oden goes out the offense becomes outside-orientated.

 

[hasoos]

He received the ball on the low block at least 3 times early in the Charlotte game. Then he went to the bench 4:30 into the game due to silly fouls. Why continue to feed the guy if you can't depend on him to stay in the game? It disrupts the entire offense because as soon as Oden goes out the offense becomes outside-orientated.

Because Greg is one of those guys that looks like to me in order to get his game going, you have to get some interest from him on the offensive side of the game to get him involved mentally. I have noticed several times when he got a look offensively he was more involved in the rest of the game. He "perked up" if you will.

 

[PapaG]

Because Greg is one of those guys that looks like to me in order to get his game going, you have to get some interest from him on the offensive side of the game to get him involved mentally. I have noticed several times when he got a look offensively he was more involved in the rest of the game. He "perked up" if you will.

Again, he was fed the ball at least 3 times early in the game. He passed out once, he shot a 5' airball, and he hit a nice 8' jump hook, all in the first 4 minutes of the game. He then picked up two touch fouls and was out of the game.

I find it very difficult to criticize the guards, or anyone for that matter, for not always initiating the offense through a guy who has proven to be foul--plagued at this point in his career.

 

[TehChad]

WTF have you suggested? Oh that's right you just show up to attack posters!

I haven't suggested anything because there's not a problem in this area. What's wrong with Maurice Lucas?! We're very fortunate to have someone like him on our staff. And everyone knows Greg's game is still raw offensively, yet he DOES draw double teams, and it DOES open up shots for our other guys. I don't know what games you've been watching. The best thing that can happen for Greg right now is consistent play time without injuries, and I'm thrilled that he's been getting just that.

Look, the kid is 20 years old and has played in 30-some NBA games. If you insert just an ounce of logic into this, you'll realize that Greg is in a developing stage and it's still way, wayyyyyyyyy too early to press the panic button the way you have.