ESPN officiating poll

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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/polling?event_id=3826

for once I'm in complete agreement with the voters

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[Webster's Dictionary]

I really think the intentional foul needs to be re-instituted. I mean, I guess that's basically a flagrant 1, but maybe an intentional could be a free throw and the ball, or three free throws if it is an instance of a shooting foul such as on Brad Miller. Less than a flagrant, but more than a regular "going for the ball" foul.

 

[hasoos]

I really think the intentional foul needs to be re-instituted. I mean, I guess that's basically a flagrant 1, but maybe an intentional could be a free throw and the ball, or three free throws if it is an instance of a shooting foul such as on Brad Miller. Less than a flagrant, but more than a regular "going for the ball" foul.

I thought a flagrant 2 was equal to that. But I could be wrong.

 

[oldguy]

Yep. My votes lined up with the majority right down the line.

 

[Romanski]

Only one I didn't agree with the majority was the baseball one. Although, I'd only be SLIGHTLY more lenient. Does it really matter if a manager is yelling at you? That doesn't effect the game in anyway. Your strike zone stays the same size, and anything outside of that there are rules set in stone. What is the manager going to do when you call a close home plate call out? Absolutely nothing.

 

[maxiep]

I think this poll shows just how much the "star" system Stern has instituted is reviled. The football and baseball questions were put in to show just how silly NBA refereering is.

 

[crandc]

I disagreed with majority in the baseball question in that it just referred to arguing with an umpire, not any assault on anyone. In a really frustrating game, if someone blows a bit in the 9th inning and it does not get past words, I'd be inclined to say tell them to shut up and then let it be.

I also disagreed on Rondo - I don't know if he was intentionally trying to hurt/foul or just going for the ball and clobbered the guy. Since I don't know, I'm not in his head, I gave benefit of the doubt. With the caveat that it should not matter. The results was flagrant.

 

[44Thrilla]

It's funny how people always complain about NBA officials having too much impact on the outcome of a game, yet in this poll they seem to be wishing for the complete opposite.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I don't get it. If anything, it means the opposite.

Fans are tired of the refereeing being able to impact the game. The referees are supposed to enforce the rules regardless of time, score, player, etc. If Roy commits a charge with .5 seconds left, call it a charge. If it's a block, call it a block. These are pretty definitive.

Let the play (within the rules) dictate who wins and loses. The refs are supposed to be the representatives of the league, enforcing the rules. If a player doesn't play by them, no matter what time, etc., they should be called for a foul. That's not "letting the refs impact the game", that's enforcing league-mandated rules. The only way they negatively "impact the game" is if they start calling the game according to another system. That's BS, and that's what all those fans are decrying in the poll.

 

[STOMP]

I also disagreed on Rondo - I don't know if he was intentionally trying to hurt/foul or just going for the ball and clobbered the guy. Since I don't know, I'm not in his head, I gave benefit of the doubt. With the caveat that it should not matter. The results was flagrant.

he claimed he was trying to intentionally foul Miller in his post game comments, so now you know.

We're in full agreement on your last two lines though. Refs shouldn't be expected to determine a players intent at the time of the play. What matters is what they do and in this case he clothes-lined a player. With the benefit of both the video and Rondo's own words, I find it pretty unbelievable that the league is letting this go unpunished... maybe they're hoping for some violence to spice up the ratings?

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[44Thrilla]

he claimed he was trying to intentionally foul Miller in his post game comments, so now you know.

We're in full agreement on your last two lines though. Refs shouldn't be expected to determine a players intent at the time of the play. What matters is what they do and in this case he clothes-lined a player. With the benefit of both the video and Rondo's own words, I find it pretty unbelievable that the league is letting this go unpunished... maybe they're hoping for some violence to spice up the ratings?

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The rules allow you to intentionally foul so I'm not sure what kind of conspiracy you're trying to put together. If he hit his arm instead of his face, we aren't even having this conversation. For that matter, if it was Rose who committed the same foul on Perkins, the entire subject would have never been touched upon.

 

[STOMP]

The rules allow you to intentionally foul so I'm not sure what kind of conspiracy you're trying to put together. If he hit his arm instead of his face, we aren't even having this conversation. For that matter, if it was Rose who committed the same foul on Perkins, the entire subject would have never been touched upon.

you aren't allowed to intentionally foul above the shoulders, which is exactly what he did and then stupidly admitted to doing. Basically I don't see what your point is.

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[44Thrilla]

you aren't allowed to intentionally foul above the shoulders, which is exactly what he did and then admitted to doing. Basically I don't see what your point is.

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He didn't say he was aiming for his head. You keep saying he did, but he didn't. Watch the actual footage instead of your own interpretation of it.

 

[STOMP]

He didn't say he was aiming for his head. You keep saying he did, but he didn't. Watch the actual footage instead of your own interpretation of it.

huh??? what do you think I watched?

I don't have a rooting interest here other then good hoops. That was a dangerous play every time I've seen it since it happened in real time on my massive plasma in HD. The facts are he did clobber Miller in the head when he had zero chance of making a play on the ball and then later admitted thats what he was trying to do. Pretty simple shit

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[44Thrilla]

I don't have a rooting interest here other then good hoops.

See, how can I even attempt to argue against you when you say that? Everybody that is not a Celtics fan wants them to lose because they're the defending champs and completely unlikeable. Why try to pretend like you're impartial?

 

[STOMP]

See, how can I even attempt to argue against you when you say that? Everybody that is not a Celtics fan wants them to lose because they're the defending champs and completely unlikeable. Why try to pretend like you're impartial?

sweet victim complex you've got going there dude. It must really suck being so paranoid that the world is out to get you. You are really really off base here as there are many players on the Celts who I've admired both in college and at other NBA stops and I've rooted for them time and again when they've matched up against my negative rooting interest from LA. Hell my favorite player of all time (Walton) won a championship there and Oregon's finest athlete ever runs your franchise.

I'm sure you don't believe it (so what), but my rooting interest is the Blazers who are in a whole different conference... and I don't expect them to advance to the WCF let alone to the championship where they might meet one of these teams. I'd be saying the same exact thing if it were a Blazer who did this as plays like that are BS and take away from the game. As I said in another thread, if I were a Bull I would be looking for revenge on the first Celtic who went down the lane. After I hurt the guy, I'd let him know it wasn't an accident. Believe it or not I've done exactly that more then once.

Thats me as a competitor, but thats not what I want to see as a viewer.

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[44Thrilla]

sweet victim complex you've got going there dude. It must really suck being so paranoid that the world is out to get you. You are really really off base here as there are many players on the Celts who I've admired both in college and at other NBA stops and I've rooted for them time and again when they've matched up against my negative rooting interest from LA. Hell my favorite player of all time (Walton) won a championship there and Oregon's finest athlete ever runs your franchise.

I'm sure you don't believe it (so what), but my rooting interest is the Blazers who are in a whole different conference... and I don't expect them to advance to the WCF let alone to the championship where they might meet one of these teams. I'd be saying the same exact thing if it were a Blazer who did this as plays like that are BS and take away from the game. As I said in another thread, if I were a Bull I would be looking for revenge on the first Celtic who went down the lane. After I hurt the guy, I'd let him know it wasn't an accident. Believe it or not I've done exactly that more then once.

Thats me as a competitor, but thats not what I want to see as a viewer.

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Ha, why would I care if people hate my team? If they didn't hate them, then that would mean that my team sucks. I know that because my team has sucked for pretty much my entire life and nobody gave a shit about them. I'm not being paranoid, just being realistic about people talking about my team and trying to pass themselves off as impartial.

To be honest, if they fined or suspended Rondo, I wouldn't have cared. I'm not stupid enough to think it wasn't a borderline call. Obviously, since I've been a Celtics fan my entire life, I might be looking the other way a bit, but also, I think it's safe to say that 99% of non-Boston fans are rooting against Boston in the series. The only way we could see true "impartial" viewpoints on a situation like this is if it happened in a game between two teams that nobody cares about.

 

[STOMP]

The only way we could see true "impartial" viewpoints on a situation like this is if it happened in a game between two teams that nobody cares about.

good grief dude. If you're not going to take posters at their word, why bother posting? Just watch the games and imagine that everyone hates you and your team in silence rather then bother us with this nonsense and give us a reason

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[Денг Гордон]

I disagree with the notion that the Bulls should just take a shot at Rondo. I think they should follow Garnett's lead and do this to Rondo:

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Only do it with Aaron Gray

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[crandc]

he claimed he was trying to intentionally foul Miller in his post game comments, so now you know.


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Oh but players try to intentionally foul late all the time to stop the clock or to prevent a 3. They grab a guy around the waist, say. I was being really generous and saying that since I don't know there may have been no intent to hurt. Still does not matter. It's flagrant.

 

[hasoos]

There are sure a lot of folks getting their panties in a wad over this one. I know a lot of fouls end up stirring up a hornets nest, especially if they are hard. But after years of this happening, why do you expect any different? I mean, after Robert Horry took out Steve Nash in a playoff game a few years back and cut his head open is just one example of how the NBA pretty much has given approval for teams to jack hammer each other in the playoffs, and it pays off. So why wouldn't you do it?

 

[blue32]

Hey I'm all for a penalty box

 

[STOMP]

There are sure a lot of folks getting their panties in a wad over this one. I know a lot of fouls end up stirring up a hornets nest, especially if they are hard. But after years of this happening, why do you expect any different? I mean, after Robert Horry took out Steve Nash in a playoff game a few years back and cut his head open is just one example of how the NBA pretty much has given approval for teams to jack hammer each other in the playoffs, and it pays off. So why wouldn't you do it?

if I recall correctly, Horry was ejected and suspended for 2 games. Thats a reasonable deterrent and hardly the NBA giving it's approval of this sort of play... I don't think a suspended player gets paid either.

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[hasoos]

if I recall correctly, Horry was ejected and suspended for 2 games. Thats a reasonable deterrent and hardly the NBA giving it's approval of this sort of play... I don't think a suspended player gets paid either.

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Really having a washed up 15 year vet suspended when a player having an MVP level season was out of the game for a major portion of it due to the inability to stop the bleeding is equal? Are you completely fucking high out of your mind? Yea washed up Horry=Nash during MVP year. Yea yea that's the ticket.

 

[STOMP]

Really having a washed up 15 year vet suspended when a player having an MVP level season was out of the game for a major portion of it due to the inability to stop the bleeding is equal? Are you completely fucking high out of your mind? Yea washed up Horry=Nash during MVP year. Yea yea that's the ticket.

Impressive memory you've got there hasoos. The Suns won that game 4 where Nash was hipchecked by Horry w/18 seconds left and Steve played 46 minutes in a game 5 loss. The Suns lost other key players for that game 5 because they left the bench. Players who broke the rules were punished.

google is my friend and can be yours too

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[Денг Гордон]

And Rondo throws Kirk Hinrich into the scorers table in the first quarter of Game 6. Kirk Hinrich was about to beat Rondo up, but Rondo ran behind the ref.

NBA has to look at a suspension for Rondo, as they did the cumulative suspension for Nocioni a few years ago, and the cumulative suspension for Posey, in the playoffs, a few years ago.

Rondo tripped Hinrich, causing Hinrich to get stitches in game 5, the swing at Miller in game 5, and now throwing Hinrich into the scorers table.

If this was Ron Artest, Nocioni, Posey, Bowen, etc, he would be getting suspended.

Rondo's just lucky that the ref was there, because Kirk Hinrich was about to beat him up.

 

[Natebishop3]

And Rondo throws Kirk Hinrich into the scorers table in the first quarter of Game 6. Kirk Hinrich was about to beat Rondo up, but Rondo ran behind the ref.

NBA has to look at a suspension for Rondo, as they did the cumulative suspension for Nocioni a few years ago, and the cumulative suspension for Posey, in the playoffs, a few years ago.

Rondo tripped Hinrich, causing Hinrich to get stitches in game 5, the swing at Miller in game 5, and now throwing Hinrich into the scorers table.

If this was Ron Artest, Nocioni, Posey, Bowen, etc, he would be getting suspended.

Rondo's just lucky that the ref was there, because Kirk Hinrich was about to beat him up.

I doubt he would have hit him. Probably just the usual "push and talk shit" move.

 

[Денг Гордон]

I doubt he would have hit him. Probably just the usual "push and talk shit" move.

Naw. I think Kirk Hinrich was ready to start swinging, and get himself suspended for the remainder of the playoffs, while taking Rondo out with him, by provoking Rondo to swing back.

 

[Draco]

Obviously, since I've been a Celtics fan my entire life, I might be looking the other way a bit, but also, I think it's safe to say that 99% of non-Boston fans are rooting against Boston in the series.

Damn straight! I get up everyday and think how glorious it would be if only the Celtics could lose.

I have a little voodoo Celtic doll I stab with pins.

I use green celtic toilet paper.

At work we have a down with the Celtics chant every Tuesday at 14:00. Turn off the phones and shut down the whole shop for 4 minutes.