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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27243621/inside-tense-nba-owners-meeting-change-free-agency

What tampering rules?

Interested to see if anything comes of this:

Within days, the league opened an investigation centered on the timing of some of the earliest reported free-agency deals on June 30, sources familiar with the matter told ESPN.com. The scope of that investigation is developing. It is expected to include interviews with players and possibly agents and team employees, sources say.

The league has the power to punish teams it finds to be guilty of tampering ahead of June 30 at 6 p.m. Eastern Time -- the first minute that teams are allowed to speak with representatives of free agents. It also might seek information on the timing of negotiations so that any revised free-agency calendar might better align with what is actually happening.
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The first person to talk to should be Woj.
 
I thought all the NBA basically had decided it was ok to tamper as much as you want too as long as you don't talk about it publicly.
 
My dream is still alive that every team except the Blazers will be found guilty of tampering before the free agency period began and they'll be punished by stripping away their 1st round pick in 2020 therefore giving us the #1 pick by default.

I can dream right?
 
hoopsjock said:
My dream is still alive that every team except the Blazers will be found guilty of tampering before the free agency period began and they'll be punished by stripping away their 1st round pick in 2020 therefore giving us the #1 pick by default.

I can dream right?
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Wont be all the teams. Phoenix is so inept they probably didnt even realize that free agency was coming up.
 
ripcity67 said:
Wont be all the teams. Phoenix is so inept they probably didnt even realize that free agency was coming up.
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Phoenix during FA
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“San Diego said they would give us their 1st pick in the draft!”

Free Agents when Phoenix calls
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Phoenix GM 3 days into FA
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hoopsjock said:
My dream is still alive that every team except the Blazers will be found guilty of tampering before the free agency period began and they'll be punished by stripping away their 1st round pick in 2020 therefore giving us the #1 pick by default.

I can dream right?
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The most ridiculous ones were KD apparently agreeing to go to BK without Sean Marks even knowing about it. Or JJ Redick saying on his podcast that he was going to NO after finding out from Woj on his burner twitter.

I mean how stupid do these fools think we are?
 
illmatic99 said:
The most ridiculous ones were KD apparently agreeing to go to BK without Sean Marks even knowing about it. Or JJ Redick saying on his podcast that he was going to NO after finding out from Woj on his burner twitter.

I mean how stupid do these fools think we are?
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See this is where the Kanter tweets can prove the Blazers' innocence! Clearly we waited to 3:00 otherwise we would've already known Kanter's decision! :wink:
 
They're not gonna do anything. The players hold all the power. NBA is the only league where one player can bring you from the basement to contending. It's not like the other ones like football when if you have a QB, if you don't have a line you're toast.

I imagine there's probably gonna be a lockout in regards to this stuff but nothing will change. All the newspapers will write how Player 1 and Player 2 want to go to New York or LA, the players will talk at the ASG or DM each other during the season and the players will go wherever the sun shines brightest and bring a buddy along with them.
 
Defender said:
They're not gonna do anything. The players hold all the power. NBA is the only league where one player can bring you from the basement to contending. It's not like the other ones like football when if you have a QB, if you don't have a line you're toast.

I imagine there's probably gonna be a lockout in regards to this stuff but nothing will change. All the newspapers will write how Player 1 and Player 2 want to go to New York or LA, the players will talk at the ASG or DM each other during the season and the players will go wherever the sun shines brightest and bring a buddy along with them.
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So, it sounds like the solution is to expand the number of players and specialize positions. Personally, I kind of like the idea of James Harden going for one of his drives up the middle and getting flattened by a 300 lb. defensive lineman. ;)
 
e_blazer said:
So, it sounds like the solution is to expand the number of players and specialize positions. Personally, I kind of like the idea of James Harden going for one of his drives up the middle and getting flattened by a 300 lb. defensive lineman. ;)
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Lol...the NBA will try out sacks for a 1 season trial period. Each team will get 1 free sack a game.
 
The tampering rule is so broad and vague, it is not enforcable.
The rule states:

The NBA can fine any player or team that directly or indirectly, entices, induces, or persuades or attempts to entice, induce, or persuade anyone under contract with another team for their services.

When you combine indirectly, entices, and anyone, the tampering options are endless. Example.

A photo of the Heat stadium shown in warm sunlight could indirectly entice a Wolves team receptionist to move to Miami and take a job with the Heat.
 
oldfisherman said:
The tampering rule is so broad and vague, it is not enforcable.
The rule states:

The NBA can fine any player or team that directly or indirectly, entices, induces, or persuades or attempts to entice, induce, or persuade anyone under contract with another team for their services.

When you combine indirectly, entices, and anyone, the tampering options are endless. Example.

A photo of the Heat stadium shown in warm sunlight could indirectly entice a Wolves team receptionist to move to Miami and take a job with the Heat.
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I agree with pretty much what you said but it's unlikely that the receptionist actually has a contract so wouldn't come under that rule. There may be other language as to defining who that is intended for as well.
 
CupWizier said:
I agree with pretty much what you said but it's unlikely that the receptionist actually has a contract so wouldn't come under that rule. There may be other language as to defining who that is intended for as well.
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I agree with you 99.9999%. But it is the one in a million exceptions that cause many legal battles. Also vague rules and regulations are often randomly abused by those that enforce them. How often have enforcement officers written a faulty ticket, saying fight it out with the courts?

But staying with my receptionist example.

Companies often have contracts with temp agencies. Say the Wolves receptionist takes her 2 week vacation. A temp under contract fills in. She may have found internal info that could hurt the Wolves if other teams have this info.

After seeing pictures of how nice the weather is in Miami, and fond of being around celebrities, she takes a job with the Heat and moves to Miami.

Very unlikely to happen. But the vague tampering rule could be enforced here.

So I agree with Silver. Much work is needed to correct the tampering rules.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
This is a lot more interesting to me; they may be investigating if some teams have illegally exceeded salary cap restrictions by offering other financial inducements. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/23/sports/nba-free-agency-investigation.html
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Given that the Clippers fired their announcer (Bruce Bowen) who was critical of Kawhi, sent reps to all of Kawhi's home games last year, and then even tried to buy his logo (for which he is in legal dispute with Nike), them circumventing the cap is not THAT far fetched. Hell, Doc even got fined for saying "Kawhi is the closest thing to MJ," It would be absolutely AWESOME if he were banished back to Toronto and the Clips are stuck with PG and no assets.
 
oldfisherman said:
I agree with you 99.9999%. But it is the one in a million exceptions that cause many legal battles. Also vague rules and regulations are often randomly abused by those that enforce them. How often have enforcement officers written a faulty ticket, saying fight it out with the courts?

But staying with my receptionist example.

Companies often have contracts with temp agencies. Say the Wolves receptionist takes her 2 week vacation. A temp under contract fills in. She may have found internal info that could hurt the Wolves if other teams have this info.

After seeing pictures of how nice the weather is in Miami, and fond of being around celebrities, she takes a job with the Heat and moves to Miami.

Very unlikely to happen. But the vague tampering rule could be enforced here.

So I agree with Silver. Much work is needed to correct the tampering rules.
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Yep, it's a very tough area and it appears the NBA has in the past just kind of taken it very casual in regards to tampering but as we have seen it seems to be getting worse now. I hope the NBA can come up with a solution. Stricter and more detailed wording would help. :cheers:
 
That said, I'm sure this kinda stuff happens all the time. Look at the whole State Farm thing with CP and the Clips. And how they lured DeAndre back from Dallas and all of a sudden, he started showing up in ads. Or AD waiving his trade kicker and ending up on Space Jam.

Or hell, even in our neck of the woods with Dame endorsing Biofreeze, and them suddenly showing up on our jerseys.

Just need to turn a blind eye.
 
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