ESPN Top 500 Player Rankings

[Wizard Mentor]

I think they overrate guys from winning teams and underrate those from losing teams.

#67 Tony Allen
#66 Jimmy Butler

What am I missing guys? Isn't this too high for the last 3?

 

[Eastoff]

#67 Tony Allen
#66 Jimmy Butler

What am I missing guys? Isn't this too high for the last 3?

65th best guy is 65/30 = 2.16 which is a really bad second guy, or an above average 3rd guy, average being 2.5.

 

[Denny Crane]

Butler is the Bulls #5 guy.

 

[Draco]

Crawford had a 16.8 PER last season, and has been in the 6th man of the year discussion for the past several seasons.

He also had two poor seasons in there, one in Atlanta which lead the Hawks to gladly let him walk and one in Portland which still annoys Blazer fans.

Butler may be overranked where he's at but I don't think Crawford is an example of a player deserving to be his equal.

 

[Draco]

#67 Tony Allen
#66 Jimmy Butler

What am I missing guys? Isn't this too high for the last 3?

I think theres just far less stud players than people realize in this league. Thats why Paul George isn't overpaid.

 

[Denny Crane]

He also had two poor seasons in there, one in Atlanta which lead the Hawks to gladly let him walk and one in Portland which still annoys Blazer fans.

Butler may be overranked where he's at but I don't think Crawford is an example of a player deserving to be his equal.

I realize you don't like him because he didn't pan out for the Blazers, but he's been 6th man of the year and a candidate each season, plus double the scorer in similar minutes, etc., to Butler. I'm not saying Crawford should be ranked higher than he is. I'm questioning why Butler for his part time defense is so much higher ranked than Crawford for his part time offense.

 

[HailBlazers]

#67 Tony Allen
#66 Jimmy Butler

What am I missing guys?

ESPN

 

[Eastoff]

Boozer in at 61

 

[Denny Crane]

61 would make him #3 option on the best team in the NBA. In theory.

Maybe the Bulls are fortunate to have him as #3 option, which he's always been for them (behind Rose and Deng).

 

[Boob-No-More]

61 would make him #3 option on the best team in the NBA. In theory.

Maybe the Bulls are fortunate to have him as #3 option, which he's always been for them (behind Rose and Deng).

Well, except for last season.

BNM

 

[Denny Crane]

Well, except for last season.

BNM

Except when Nate Robinson was in the game. He was 1st option with Deng 2nd.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Except when Nate Robinson was in the game. He was 1st option with Deng 2nd.

Well yeah, whenever Nate's in the game he's ALWAYS the first option.

BNM

 

[THE HCP]

My team is loaded if Boozer is my 3rd best player!!!

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Foreign web site already has 51-60 up and Batum is not in there (yes, it says 2013 on the site):
http://szostygracz.pl/2013/10/10/nbarank-6051/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Man we are overrated!

 

[THE HCP]

Nic Batum #57

Was #63 last season

Also says he's 27, he's not right?


Sent from my baller ass iPhone 5 FAMS!

 

[Nate4Prez]

Nic Batum #57

Was #63 last season

Also says he's 27, he's not right?


Sent from my baller ass iPhone 5 FAMS!

He was born in 1988. That's why he wears 88. Not sure if he is 24 or 25.

 

[THE HCP]

I think he's 24

 

[THE HCP]

So he's only what, 18 months older than Dame?

 

[Eastoff]

Nic Batum #57

57/30 = 1.9
which puts him at an above average 3 or a below average 2. Live up to the hype Nico!

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Here's how the players have changed from last year to this summer:

We're currently at #54.
The ranking of Nicolas Batum has shown very slight improvement from last year.
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LaMarcus Aldridge:

2012=20, 2013=x, improvement = ?​

Damian Lillard:

2012=211, 2013=x, improvement = ?​

Nicolas Batum:

2012=63, 2013=57, improvement = +6​

Robin Lopez:

2012=169, 2013=128, improvement = +41​

Wesley Matthews:

2012=109, 2013=130, improvement = -21​

Mo Williams:

2012=125, 2013=169, improvement = -44​

Dorrell Wright:

2012=182, 2013=200, improvement = -18​

Thomas Robinson:

2012=215, 2013=204, improvement = +11​

Meyers Leonard:

2012=330, 2013=255, improvement = +75​

 

[Wizard Mentor]

ESPN projects Nicolas Batum as better than the best overall 3rd man in the league.

Starter Average: +0.0/position (they average to the league average)
Bench Average: +.74/position
3rd Stringers Average: -.98/position

Update (To 54):
Blazer's 3rd man: 1.9, Average 3rd man: 2.5 >>>>> Net: +0.6
Blazer's 4th man: 4.3, Average 4th man: 3.5 >>>>> Net: -0.8
Blazer's 5th man: 4.3, Average 5th man: 4.5 >>>>> Net: +0.2
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Blazer's 6th man: 5.6, Average 6th man: 5.5 >>>>> Net: -0.1
Blazer's 7th man: 6.2, Average 7th man: 6.5 >>>>> Net: +0.3
Blazer's 8th man: 6.7, Average 8th man: 7.5 >>>>> Net: +0.8
Blazer's 9th man: 6.8, Average 9th man: 8.5 >>>>> Net: +1.7
Blazer's 10th man: 8.5, Average 10th man: 9.5 >>>>> Net: +1.0
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Blazer's 11th man: 12.3, Average 11th man: 10.5 >>>>> Net: -1.8
Blazer's 12th man: 12.6, Average 12th man: 11.5 >>>>> Net: -1.1
Blazer's 13th man: 13.7, Average 13th man: 12.5 >>>>> Net: -1.2
Blazer's 14th man: 14.1, Average 14th man: 13.5 >>>>> Net: -0.6
Blazer's 15th man: 14.7, Average 15th man: 14.5 >>>>> Net: -0.2

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3rd man Nicolas Batum (57) is ranked as 1.9th man
4th man Robin Lopez (128) is ranked as 4.3rd man
5th man Wes Matthews (130) is ranked as 4.3rd man
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6th man Mo Williams (169) is ranked as a 5.6th man
7th man C. J. McCollum (185) is ranked as 6.2th man
8th man Dorrell Wright (200) is ranked as 6.7th man
9th man Thomas Robinson (204) is ranked as 6.8th man
10th man Leonard (255) is ranked as 8.5th man
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11th man Watson (370) is ranked as a 12.3rd man
12th man Barton (379) is ranked as a 12.6th man
13th man Crabbe (412) is ranked as a 13.7th man
14th man Claver (422) is ranked as a 14.1st man
15th man Freeland (441) is ranked as a 14.7th man

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Basically, here's what the data says to me so far:

1) The 212 member ESPN community doesn't think we have a "Core Four", but we do have a "Big 3" with our 3rd man Batum better all of the other 3rd men in the league. Put another way, ESPN thinks Matthews and RoLo are simple role players.

2) The 212 member ESPN community thinks we have a very strong bench, much better than average.

 

[Nate4Prez]

Basically, here's what the data says to me so far:

1) The 212 member ESPN community doesn't think we have a "Core Four", but we do have a "Big 3" with our 3rd man Batum better all of the other 3rd men in the league. Put another way, ESPN thinks Matthews and RoLo are simple role players.

I don't get the "we have the best 3rd man" when there are still several teams that have 3 or more players left? Or the entire Nets starting five.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-mia-2013/2013-nba-player-rankings-miami-heat
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-bkn-2013/2013-nba-player-rankings-brooklyn-nets
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-chi-2013/2013-nba-player-rankings-chicago-bulls
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-ind-2013/2013-nba-player-rankings-indiana-pacers
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-mem-2013/2013-nba-player-rankings-memphis-grizzlies
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-lac-2013/2013-nba-player-rankings-los-angeles-clippers

 

[Draco]

Where is that thread that had future rankings in 3 or so years? I think it was ESPN too. It had Lillard as something like the #55th best player which many of us laughed at and now he is ranked at least the same for his ability today. I don't see how the rookie of the year can be expected to have zero improvement in the next three years.

 

[Nate4Prez]

Where is that thread that had future rankings in 3 or so years? I think it was ESPN too. It had Lillard as something like the #55th best player which many of us laughed at and now he is ranked at least the same for his ability today. I don't see how the rookie of the year can be expected to have zero improvement in the next three years.

Tyreke Evans?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

It is confusing, I'll try to explain it.

I am using the simple definition that the top 30 players in the league are "league average" 1st men. The second 30 are the second men, and the 3rd 30 are the 3rd men. Of course a particularly talented team (e.g. the Heat) may have their three top players all be "1st men" by that definition.

Since our 3rd best player, Batum is a "2nd man" (is in the top 60) it means that our 3rd best player slot is quite good.

I don't get the "we have the best 3rd man" when there are still several teams that have 3 or more players left? Or the entire Nets starting five.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-mia-2013/2013-nba-player-rankings-miami-heat
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-bkn-2013/2013-nba-player-rankings-brooklyn-nets
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-chi-2013/2013-nba-player-rankings-chicago-bulls
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-ind-2013/2013-nba-player-rankings-indiana-pacers
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-mem-2013/2013-nba-player-rankings-memphis-grizzlies
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-lac-2013/2013-nba-player-rankings-los-angeles-clippers

 

[Nate4Prez]

It is confusing, I'll try to explain it.

I am using the simple definition that the top 30 players in the league are "league average" 1st men. The second 30 are the second men, and the 3rd 30 are the 3rd men. Of course a particularly talented team (e.g. the Heat) may have their three top players all be "1st men" by that definition.

Since our 3rd best player, Batum is a "2nd man" (is in the top 60) it means that our 3rd best player slot is quite good.

Gotcha. Thanks.

 

[THE HCP]

Ryan Anderson #56? WHAT!!!!!

 

[Fogojam]

Meyers Leonard:

2012=330, 2013=255, improvement = +25​

There is either a typo here somewhere or it should be +75