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Natebishop3 said:
The Warriors got better. Significantly better.

What did the Cavs do? Kyrie Irving isn't even a top 5 point guard. If you can add someone like Chris Paul or maybe even Westbrook, you do it.
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Kyrie is a top 5 PG. You don't fuck up chemistry by trading your 24-year old clutch, all star PG for a chucking, super-black hole, possible 1-year rental in Westbrook, nor do you fuck up chemistry for an aging Chris Paul, who doesn't fit better with Lebron than Kyrie.

What does it say to the Cavs if the front office makes a trade that essentially says "this team isn't good enough to won a championship" right after they won a championship?? You ride with what you got. There's so much more to a team than a slightly improved hypothetical fit on paper.
 
BonesJones said:
Kyrie is a top 5 PG. You don't fuck up chemistry by trading your 24-year old clutch, all star PG for a chucking, super-black hole, possible 1-year rental in Westbrook, nor do you fuck up chemistry for an aging Chris Paul, who doesn't fit better with Lebron than Kyrie.

What does it say to the Cavs if the front office makes a trade that essentially says "this team isn't good enough to won a championship" right after they won a championship?? You ride with what you got. There's so much more to a team than a slightly improved hypothetical fit on paper.
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Kyrie is NOT a top 5 point guard.

Curry
Westbrook
Paul
Dame
Lowry

That wasn't even a question before the Finals. Just because he hit one big shot doesn't make him top five.
 
I know I would personally take Kyrie over Lowry everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. I would agree if you said Lowry is in the conversation but no way do I pick him over Kyrie myself. Lowry is fine in the regular season (but still not above Kyrie) but absolutely chokes in the playoffs. And not just a 1 year thing.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Kyrie is NOT a top 5 point guard.

Curry
Westbrook
Paul
Dame
Lowry

That wasn't even a question before the Finals. Just because he hit one big shot doesn't make him top five.
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Id rather have the guy who performs and hits clutch shots all playoffs than the guy who goes into a shell.

Curry
Westbrook
Dame
Paul
Kyrie
Lowry
Wall
Conley
Jackson
Walker
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I know I would personally take Kyrie over Lowry everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. I would agree if you said Lowry is in the conversation but no way do I pick him over Kyrie myself. Lowry is fine in the regular season (but still not above Kyrie) but absolutely chokes in the playoffs. And not just a 1 year thing.
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Statistically they're not really close. Lowry is a MUCH better shooter.

http://bkref.com/tiny/dyVsw
 

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Kyrie killed it in every single round of the playoffs

Averaged 27ppg on 47% shooting and 40% from 3 in the Finals

Overall averaged 25ppg on 47% shooting and 44% from 3

Easily top 5
 
RoyToy said:
Kyrie killed it in every single round of the playoffs

Averaged 27ppg on 47% shooting and 40% from 3 in the Finals

Overall averaged 25ppg on 47% shooting and 44% from 3

Easily top 5
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So just because he had a good playoffs, that negates all other data?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Brandon Chinn ‏@Bchinn24 1h1 hour ago
Evan Turner is 1 of 6 players w/350+ reb, 350+ ast and 2,000 min played over past two seasons (Harden, LeBron, Rondo, Wall, Westbrook).

I did not know they kept that stat.......
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So I had trouble replicating that stat, but in trying, I came up with an even better one:

http://bkref.com/tiny/v6yIe

These players, over the last five years, averaged 2400 or fewer minutes per season, AND averaged at least 320 rebounds AND at least 320 assists per season. This is meant to measure all-around game consistency over time without just pounding minutes wildly trying to get gaudy totals.

I think it's telling who is on this list.
 
BonesJones said:
Aren't we going after championships here?
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The Finals aren't just 4-7 games in a vacuum. There are other factors. Winning games in the regular season is important. Staying healthy is important. Kyrie Irving hasn't had a single 82 game season. The most games he has ever played was 71 in 2013-2014. He only played in 53 games this season. Dude is injury prone. He missed the Finals last season. Maybe if he had stayed healthy they would have won.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The Finals aren't just 4-7 games in a vacuum. There are other factors. Winning games in the regular season is important. Staying healthy is important. Kyrie Irving hasn't had a single 82 game season. The most games he has ever played was 71 in 2013-2014. He only played in 53 games this season. Dude is injury prone. He missed the Finals last season. Maybe if he had stayed healthy they would have won.
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Missing the finals and the start of this year was because of the same injury. He's about as injury prone as CP3, who you say the Cavs should go after. Your logic just did a 360 upon itself.
 
RoyToy said:
It does when the other guy (Lowry) has consistently shit the bed his entire career in the playoffs
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And Kyrie has 1.5 playoffs under his belt, which is clearly a similar sample size. Not to mention Lowry doesn't have a guy named LeBron on his team.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And Kyrie has 1.5 playoffs under his belt, which is clearly a similar sample size. Not to mention Lowry doesn't have a guy named LeBron on his team.
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Kyrie's played in 7 playoff series. That's more than Dame, but I wouldn't say Dame only has 1.2 playoffs under his belt...
 
BonesJones said:
Kyrie's played in 7 playoff series. That's more than Dame, but I wouldn't say Dame only has 1.2 playoffs under his belt...
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Kyrie missed half of the playoffs last year..... therefor 1.5.

How many Blazer playoff games has Dame missed?
 
Natebishop3 said:
And Kyrie has 1.5 playoffs under his belt, which is clearly a similar sample size. Not to mention Lowry doesn't have a guy named LeBron on his team.
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Kyrie has started in 34 playoff games

Lowry 31

Sample size is not an issue in this comparison
 
RoyToy said:
Kyrie has started in 34 playoff games

Lowry 31

Sample size is not an issue in this comparison
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One offseason accounted for over half of those games. So we're seriously going to give Kyrie the nod simply because he's the second best player on LeBron's team and he had a good postseason?

Lowry shot significantly better over the course of the entire season, of which Irving only played in 55 games.
 
Natebishop3 said:
One offseason accounted for over half of those games. So we're seriously going to give Kyrie the nod simply because he's the second best player on LeBron's team and he had a good postseason?

Lowry shot significantly better over the course of the entire season, of which Irving only played in 55 games.
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I don't see why it would matter what season those games took place in. To me that just means he played against tougher competition as he went deeper into the playoffs. Better than playing 1st round series only or something like that.

Over the last 5 seasons Lowry has played in 32 more total games than Kyrie. Average of 6 games per season.

Besides, if you want to get hung up on stats over an entire season, Kyrie has been better player over the last 5 seasons. I mean it's not all that close if you want to look at a 5-year sample size

Then include the playoffs.....
 
Turner was very much on my radar the year we traded for Afflalo. I wanted him then, and still want him now. Everyone knocks his 3 point ability, but it's easier to teach a poor 3P shooter how to improve their % than it is teaching a poor defender how to stay in front of guys like Steph Curry.

I guess ESPN "Insiders" are already talking shit about this signing. They talked shit on us last year too when we lost LaMarcus and brought in a bunch of "nobodies". I'm of the opinion that ESPN pays their employees so poorly that they can barely afford to eat. So in order to feed their families they keep coming back for a taste of that Portland Crow.
 
The hell with Turner's 3 pt shot...the alley oop is back baby!
 
He is a little more athletic than I thought from those highlight. Quicker and better hops. Love his handles, his passing, and his D.
 
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