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[magnifier661]

You only dislike Stalin because he was an atheist.

That and he mass murdered hundreds of millions of people

 

[Minstrel]

That and he mass murdered hundreds of millions of people

But mostly the atheism.

 

[crowTrobot]

link?

I'm not making an assertion. At the same time I have no reason to accept Denny's premise that poverty/unemployment is keeping people who are convicted about homeschooling their kids from doing so.

How about forcing a student to learn evolution, even if it is against their religion?

How about forcing a student to learn the earth is not flat, even if it is against their religion?

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not making an assertion. At the same time I have no reason to accept Denny's premise that poverty/unemployment is keeping people who are convicted about homeschooling their kids from doing so.

Okay, so we can agree that you are just talking from your ass. Gotcha

How about forcing a student to learn the earth is not flat, even if it is against their religion?

Okay let's even go that route. Show me a religion that still thinks the world is flat

 

[magnifier661]

But mostly the atheism.

I like you, even though you're full of shit

 

[crowTrobot]

It costs at least $10,000 of work at a minimum wage job. The people will starve.

Where is that number coming from and does it account for the ease of a web-based curriculum?

 

[Denny Crane]

That's because religion isn't necessary curriculum for kids to prepare them to survive in a modern world of jobs and managing one's money, whereas stuff like math, economics and science is. The government makes laws for the well-being of kids to prevent parental neglect, which includes education, medical attention, etc. Religion is an optional pursuit, much like sports and musical instruction.

Bzzzzzt. Judges say, "bad answer."

Try again

 

[Minstrel]

I like you, even though you're full of shit

I like you too, even though getting jokes apparently isn't your thing.

 

[Denny Crane]

Where is that number coming from and does it account for the ease of a web-based curriculum?

Parent has to stay at home with the kid. That's one less income for the family.

$8 * 2080 is $16640. I figure the parent might get to work summers when "home school" is out.

Like I said, if somehow they'll get it done worked, we wouldn't need any subsidy for the poor. ObamaCare, welfare, and on down the list.

 

[magnifier661]

I like you too, even though getting jokes apparently isn't your thing.

Doh! It was you that didn't get my joke

 

[Minstrel]

Bzzzzzt. Judges say, "bad answer."

Try again

I'm comfortable with you disagreeing, though usually your accompany your disagreement with several pages of attempts at misdirection.

 

[crowTrobot]

Parent has to stay at home with the kid.

Parent has to spend extra time with kid but not 24 hours a day, particularly now that their are easily accessible web-based curriculums.

 

[Minstrel]

Doh! It was you that didn't get my joke

No, I got it. If I hadn't gotten it, I'd have responded angrily. Like I might have said "YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT!!!111!"

 

[MarAzul]

I like you, even though you're full of shit

You are a kind man sir. I am not so sure I am as good.

 

[magnifier661]

Parent has to spend extra time with kid but not 24 hours a day, particularly now that their are easily accessible web-based curriculums.

Then why the fuck to kids have to go to public schools for 8 hours a day?

 

[crowTrobot]

Like I said, if somehow they'll get it done worked, we wouldn't need any subsidy for the poor. ObamaCare, welfare, and on down the list.

different issues. if anything those things even further facilitate the ability to homeschool.

 

[Denny Crane]

Time to eat crow?

http://www.homefires.com/articles/costs.asp

Description of the Average Survey-Responding Family:
Two parents with 2.1 children. Children range in age from infancy to 15 years old, the average age being 8.7 years. (The majority of the responding readers did not indicate the "grade level" of their children. Most said they just didn't feel it mattered.) This "average" family has a single annual income ranging from $35,000-$100,000+, the average being $55,770.

...

 

[crowTrobot]

Then why the fuck to kids have to go to public schools for 8 hours a day?

I don't know that they do, as long as they are meeting curriculum requirements.

 

[MarAzul]

But mostly the atheism.

Actually he was a member of the Georgian Orthodox until he became a despot, promoting atheism suited his needs.
You see in his form of government, the state is the religion and he was the pope. With the people being compliant atheist, he had no competition.

 

[Denny Crane]

different issues. if anything those things even further facilitate the ability to homeschool.

No, they don't.

About 3% of kids are homeschooled. Considering how the huge fraction of the other 97% are at risk of not graduating with even a 3rd grade reading ability, you'd think parents would care more and homeschool.

They don't because they can't afford it.

 

[Minstrel]

Actually he was a member of the Georgian Orthodox until he became a despot, promoting atheism suited his needs.
You see in his form of government, the state is the religion and he was the pope. With the people being compliant atheist, he had no competition.

So you're saying that in his heart he truly believed in Christianity?

Interesting theory.

 

[crowTrobot]

No, they don't.

About 3% of kids are homeschooled. Considering how the huge fraction of the other 97% are at risk of not graduating with even a 3rd grade reading ability, you'd think parents would care more and homeschool.

They don't because they can't afford it.

How do you know they don't simply because they don't object to a public education?

 

[crowTrobot]

Time to eat crow?

http://www.homefires.com/articles/costs.asp

Description of the Average Survey-Responding Family:
Two parents with 2.1 children. Children range in age from infancy to 15 years old, the average age being 8.7 years. (The majority of the responding readers did not indicate the "grade level" of their children. Most said they just didn't feel it mattered.) This "average" family has a single annual income ranging from $35,000-$100,000+, the average being $55,770.

...

This is a 1995 (pre-free internet curriculum) survey of what was spent by a few (by today's standards) relatively wealthy families.

I'm open to being convinced by evidence, but this survey is utterly irrelevant.

 

[MarAzul]

So you're saying that in his heart he truly believed in Christianity?

Interesting theory.

No I didn't say anything close. I did say he was a despot that used atheism for his purposes.

 

[magnifier661]

This is a 1995 (pre-free internet curriculum) survey of what was spent by a few (by today's standards) relatively wealthy families.

I'm open to being convinced by evidence, but this survey is utterly irrelevant.

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/advice/20041109a1.asp

$2,500 for Internet home schooling.

 

[Minstrel]

No I didn't say anything close. I did say he was a despot that used atheism for his purposes.

Yes, and if he didn't believe in Christianity, he was an atheist...unless you believe he was an adherent to another organized religion.

Saying "he used atheism for his purposes" implies that he wasn't truly atheist, just using it conveniently. The reality was that he was going to remove all threats to his power and, being atheist, had no compunction in adding religion to that list. A religious despot would likely have kept religion alive but simply controlled the churches.

 

[Denny Crane]

How do you know they don't simply because they don't object to a public education?

http://www.edweek.org/ew/issues/home-schooling/

1. commonly thought of as a fringe activity
2. Illegal in some states until 1993
3. The majority are also well-educated, middle-class, and have two or more children (not lower class)
4. organizations such as the National Education Association, the country’s largest teachers’ union, have come out against home schooling (NEA Resolutions, 2007). -- DUH

According to a 2007 survey of parents who home school their children, 36 percent said providing religious or moral instruction was the most important reason for doing it, while 21 percent said they were most concerned about their child’s learning environment. Dissatisfaction with the local academic institutions ranked as the third-most important reason for home schooling their children, with 17 percent giving that response. (Bielick, 2008).

The general public has some concerns about a lack of regulations, as well. In a 1997 Gallup poll, 88 percent of respondents agreed that home schools should “be required to guarantee a minimum level of educational quality.” In a 1999 poll, 92 percent of respondents said home-schooled students should take the same state and national assessments required in public schools. And although the number of people opposed to home schooling has dropped over the years, the majority, 57 percent, still regarded it as a “bad thing,” in 1997 (Phi Delta Kappan and Gallup, 1997 and 1999).

 

[Denny Crane]

So it looks to me like religious families do take advantage of it, but only if they can afford it. Most people are afraid to do it or consider it a bad thing, even though the data shows home schooling to be far superior to public education.

 

[MarAzul]

Yes, and if he didn't believe in Christianity, he was an atheist...unless you believe he was an adherent to another organized religion.

Saying "he used atheism for his purposes" implies that he wasn't truly atheist, just using it conveniently. The reality was that he was going to remove all threats to his power and, being atheist, had no compunction in adding religion to that list. A religious despot would likely have kept religion alive but simply controlled the churches.

He saw himself as the leader of intelligentsia where it was necessary to express atheism to be a member. In order to have the masses follow his Religion ( Stalinist Communism) he put down all other religions
so that his was the only choice. Does a despot believe he is right? I rather doubt it, too illogical, but then he doesn't need to believe, if he has the power.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

That and he mass murdered hundreds of millions of people

His intention was only to hasten their entrance to heaven. He and you believe he did them a favor.