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RR7 said:
It isn't being said because you told me scientists PROVED that unicorns do not exist. I am waiting on you showing me the evidence of proof something doesn't exist. A deer with a freak growth isn't evidence they DO NOT exist.
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I got that too! LOL

Fabricated evidence


Otto von Guericke's unicorn skeleton, exhibit near the Zoo, Osnabrück
Among numerous finds of prehistoric bones found at Unicorn Cave in Germany's Harz Mountains, some were selected and reconstructed by the mayor of Magdeburg, Otto Von Guericke, as a unicorn in 1663 (illustration, right). Guericke's so-called unicorn had only two legs, and was constructed from fossil bones of a woolly rhinoceros and a mammoth, with the horn of a narwhal. The skeleton was examined by Gottfried Leibniz, who had previously doubted the existence of the unicorn, but was convinced by it.[22]
Baron Georges Cuvier maintained that, as the unicorn was cloven-hoofed, it must therefore have a cloven skull (making the growth of a single horn impossible); as if to disprove this, Dr. W. Franklin Dove, a University of Maine professor, artificially fused the horn buds of a calf together, creating the external appearance of a one-horned bull.[23]
 
TripTango said:
"Some chance involved" is a far cry from the calculations based on PURE randomness that he was attempting to perform...

And of course the odds of seeing those cars turned out to be 100%, since I saw them! ;)
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I see the same 20 cars in the parking lot at work every day. What are the odds?
 
TripTango said:
I promise you I am not oversimplifying anything. Simplifying, yes -- I am using metaphors to try and show you how you are misusing probabilities, but the points stand. Part of the confusion right now is that you are mixing together the two probabilistic arguments from before:

1) Life formed somehow. This is improbable, from a strictly random viewpoint. Thus, God must have done it.

2) The universe has set laws that have resulted in patterns (galaxies, planets, etc...). If those laws were different, all that stuff might not exist. Therefore, God must have personally chosen those laws to make this universe.

I have already addressed the problems with each of these using different analogies. I've got to make dinner, but I'll clarify later if necessary.
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Not must have. But it could be a probability. And just like science; we can only make assumptions or logical answers. Are you saying God can't be a logical answer? What if I say "designer", "intelligent design"?
 
magnifier661 said:
I got that too! LOL

Fabricated evidence


Otto von Guericke's unicorn skeleton, exhibit near the Zoo, Osnabrück
Among numerous finds of prehistoric bones found at Unicorn Cave in Germany's Harz Mountains, some were selected and reconstructed by the mayor of Magdeburg, Otto Von Guericke, as a unicorn in 1663 (illustration, right). Guericke's so-called unicorn had only two legs, and was constructed from fossil bones of a woolly rhinoceros and a mammoth, with the horn of a narwhal. The skeleton was examined by Gottfried Leibniz, who had previously doubted the existence of the unicorn, but was convinced by it.[22]
Baron Georges Cuvier maintained that, as the unicorn was cloven-hoofed, it must therefore have a cloven skull (making the growth of a single horn impossible); as if to disprove this, Dr. W. Franklin Dove, a University of Maine professor, artificially fused the horn buds of a calf together, creating the external appearance of a one-horned bull.[23]
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Well, you're wrong then. Science disproved ONE example of what someone claimed was a unicorn. And this has been what I have been saying all along about evidence. They didn't present evidence that the unicorn does not exist. What they did was refute the evidence presented that such a thing was a unicorn. but that doesn't prove the inexistence of unicorns.
Unless you can say that if someone claims they have a biblical artifact, and it is shown to not be such, that that somehow disproves god, because of that. Nope. It disproves that relic, that one claimed unicorn. So, existence of unicorns still on, and science has made no effort to prove they don't exist. It's like some weird unicorn conspiracy going on in science.
 
magnifier661 said:
Not must have. But it could be a probability. And just like science; we can only make assumptions or logical answers. Are you saying God can't be a logical answer? What if I say "designer", "intelligent design"?
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Wow. Way to completely mischaracterize science.

In terms you might understand, "god has red skin, a tail with a pointy barb on the tip, two horns on his head, and hoofed feet."
 
Denny Crane said:
It has no affect on the unicorn question, which was rhetorical. It could have easily been smurfs or Keebler elves.
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:P I know. Was cracking some humor. I guess no one saw my sarcasm. LOL. Next time, say smurfs. The unicorn can now be a possibility.
 
magnifier661 said:
:P I know. Was cracking some humor. I guess no one saw my sarcasm. LOL. Next time, say smurfs. The unicorn can now be a possibility.
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The unicorn is always a possibility. Get it? Like god, there just isn't any evidence it exists.
 
RR7 said:
Well, you're wrong then. Science disproved ONE example of what someone claimed was a unicorn. And this has been what I have been saying all along about evidence. They didn't present evidence that the unicorn does not exist. What they did was refute the evidence presented that such a thing was a unicorn. but that doesn't prove the inexistence of unicorns.
Unless you can say that if someone claims they have a biblical artifact, and it is shown to not be such, that that somehow disproves god, because of that. Nope. It disproves that relic, that one claimed unicorn. So, existence of unicorns still on, and science has made no effort to prove they don't exist. It's like some weird unicorn conspiracy going on in science.
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LOL!
 
Denny Crane said:
Wow. Way to completely mischaracterize science.

In terms you might understand, "god has red skin, a tail with a pointy barb on the tip, two horns on his head, and hoofed feet."
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If that's what you think God is. ;)
 
magnifier661 said:
Yeah just like the universe was random. Totally got it!
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There's considerable and reliable objective evidence it is random. There's no evidence of a creator or designer, except in things made by Man or animals.
 
Denny Crane said:
There's considerable and reliable objective evidence it is random. There's no evidence of a creator or designer, except in things made by Man or animals.
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except when I read this. Fine Tuned = Purpose. Purpose = intelligent design.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe

Physicist Paul Davies has stated that "There is now broad agreement among physicists and cosmologists that the universe is in several respects ‘fine-tuned' for life".[2] However he continues "...the conclusion is not so much that the universe is fine-tuned for life; rather it is fine-tuned for the building blocks and environments that life requires".[2] He also states that "... 'anthropic' reasoning fails to distinguish between minimally biophilic universes, in which life is permitted but only marginally possible, and optimally biophilic universes, in which life flourishes because biogenesis occurs frequently ..."[2] Among scientists who find the evidence persuasive, a variety of natural explanations have been proposed, e.g., the anthropic principle along with multiple universes. The proposition is also discussed among philosophers, theologians, creationists and intelligent design proponents.
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magnifier661 said:
Well I would assume that you knew I was being sarcastic. I was poking fun about it too. But okay, I will make em green next time. Sheesh!
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I hate to say it man, but after the Noah's Ark debacle, I just can't tell with you anymore... :D
 
crowTrobot said:
unlike you scientists don't claim to know what happened, so no. as i said they expect to find a natural explanation for abiogenesis because it would fit a very well established pattern, but they are wide open to evidence to the contrary if it emerges.
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How is that not based on faith or belief? There's no evidence, it's never been anything more than a theory, yet it somehow doesn't take any faith or belief to believe it happened, whereas God is an irrational leap of faith. OK.



verify what? the big bang is verified beyond all reasonable doubt by the CBR. hubble has directly observe gravity collapsing gas clouds into stars. we've verified that stars can cook heavy elements and directly observed their spectra in the expulsion gas of supernovea. we can create our own molecules from elements in labs. not much of a gap for god in those processes.

as long as you are going to god-of-the-gaps it up you're better off asking "where did the laws of nature come from"? : )
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I'm not disputing whether or not the big bang happened, I just love how we have all these conclusive "facts" about something no one was ever around to see or will
see in any way. And again with that god of the gaps garbage, apparently think the atheistic worldview is the only way to explain something. You put your faith in the limited knowledge of mankind and assume it's truth, but of course you will never admit to it. Whose opinion do you hold on the level of that of God's?
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
Again, what do unicorns have to do with the possibility of there being a Creator, in which you can put together powerful arguments for based on the observations seen on earth and in the universe?
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That's what I'm after.

Please post (with links) powerful arguments that god exists based on the observations seen on earth and in the universe.
 
MARIS61 said:
That's what I'm after.

Please post (with links) powerful arguments that god exists based on the observations seen on earth and in the universe.
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ooooh! More pictures of puppies and waterfalls!!
 
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