Evidence that god exists

[MadeFromDust]

Great post -- not that it will do much good for this particular case. Like mustard seed on dry, infertile ground...

Haha, funny you should say that as it comes straight from the Bible and can be applied to you guys perfectly.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Haha, funny you should say that as it comes straight from the Bible

I imagine that was the intent.

...and can be applied to you guys perfectly.

I think a verse involving pearls and swine might be more applicable.

 

[TripTango]

I think a verse involving pearls and swine might be more applicable.

Yup. That's us. Just a bunch of stupid pigs, who don't know the true value of calcium carbonate spheres.

Anyway, thanks for at least recognizing my intentional use of the mustard seed parable.

 

[TripTango]

Haha, funny you should say that as it comes straight from the Bible and can be applied to you guys perfectly.

Haha yeah!

 

[crowTrobot]

I think a verse involving pearls and swine might be more applicable.

oink *snort*

 

[MadeFromDust]

Haha yeah!

Haha ok you got me. Either way, it does apply well to you and crow, as well as the pearls before swine parable that Platypus kindly pointed out. Guess you don't know what you don't know.

 

[TripTango]

Haha ok you got me. Either way, it does apply well to you and crow, as well as the pearls before swine parable that Platypus kindly pointed out. Guess you don't know what you don't know.

See, the thing that makes it funny is that I think they apply perfectly TO YOU! How's that for irony!

 

[MadeFromDust]

See, the thing that makes it funny is that I think they apply perfectly TO YOU! How's that for irony!

Not really, considering I have truth on my side. A pretty powerful weapon to have

 

[crowTrobot]

And what does it have to do with abiogenesis and the origin of life?

it's why scientists expect to find natural explanations for phenomena. they have had incredible success at it.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Yes I take that very literally. And oh please, what does inventing an iphone have to do with proving humans "evolved" from an ape-like ancestor? So because it's labeled under "science" it must be true right? Even though there's no hard evidence for it? Sorry, not all theories are created equally and there's a difference between creating an iphone and explaining how we got here and why.

there's no difference in the methodology. QM and common descent are both scientific consensus because those theories led to enough successful testbable predictions to convince anyone (who isn't brainwashed by propaganda).

There are many proofs that point to there being a designer, and you've seen how they've all been attempted to be explained. The fine-tuning argument is countered by the awesome multiverse theory, because then our universe isn't that "special" in that case.

science doesn't claim design is an impossibility. as i said (twenty times) many scientists are theists. what you (falsely) perceive as bias isn't even against theism, only a literal interpretation of genesis.

You'd be surprised how biased people can be.

if people are so prone to bias, how do you know it's not a problem for you?

Many people don't want God to exist, because then they'll be held accountable for their actions and can't live off the lusts that they desire.
I've heard this admitted in secret first hand by people. They will attempt to give an attempt to naturalize any discovery made now and in the future because many rule out a supernatural explanation from the get-go.

science is a conspiracy !!
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You're welcome. Hopefully you can study the historicity of the Bible. You may be surprised.

been there my whole life. only surprise is how poor the historicity actually is when you're objective about it, particularly the torah.

 

[TripTango]

Not really, considering I have truth on my side. A pretty powerful weapon to have

Ah, the rhetorical equivalent of "neener neener neener"... That's when we know that we are done here.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yup. That's us. Just a bunch of stupid pigs, who don't know the true value of calcium carbonate spheres.

When I say that, I don't intend it as a commentary on your relative intelligence at all.

I have always interpreted that verse as basically saying that attempting to share the gospel with those who have no desire to hear anything you have to say is silly. That's what I feel I've been seeing in these threads--people trying to argue the resistant into acceptance of God. That's not a Biblical model, IMO, and it seems fruitless to me.

 

[MadeFromDust]

it's why scientists expect to find natural explanations for phenomena. they have had incredible success at it.

There is no credible evidence that abiogenesis happened or is even possible. Therefore, there is no reason to believe it.

there's no difference in the methodology. QM and common descent are both scientific consensus because those theories led to enough successful testbable predictions to convince anyone (who isn't brainwashed by propaganda).

The earth being flat and at the center of the universe was a scientific consensus too. There is no empirical evidence that man "evolved" from apes. You've been brainwashed by propaganda.

science doesn't claim design is an impossibility. as i said (twenty times) many scientists are theists. what you (falsely) perceive as bias isn't even against theism, only a literal interpretation of genesis.

And there are many who believe in a literal account of Genesis and believe it is the inspired Word of God. But I suppose your scientists are better, right?

if people are so prone to bias, how do you know it's not a problem for you?

And you?

science is a conspiracy !!
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Awww, I never said that but cute response. Jesus and the Bible are a conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

been there my whole life. only surprise is how poor the historicity actually is when you're objective about it, particularly the torah.

Sure you have. Please point out where the Bible is verifiably historically innacurate based on facts and archaeological evidence that isn't based on your biased presupposition. There have been over 20,000 archaeological digs confirming what's written in the Bible to be historically accurate.

 

[MadeFromDust]

Ah, the rhetorical equivalent of "neener neener neener"... That's when we know that we are done here.

The truth shall set you free my friend.

 

[crowTrobot]

There is no credible evidence that abiogenesis happened or is even possible. Therefore, there is no reason to believe it.

unlike you, scientists don't claim to know what happened. they don't "believe" anything.

The earth being flat and at the center of the universe was a scientific consensus too.

false. the general public believed those things. various scientists have known the truth since the ancient greeks.

There is no empirical evidence that man "evolved" from apes.

this is actually true. humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor.

And there are many who believe in a literal account of Genesis and believe it is the inspired Word of God. But I suppose your scientists are better, right?

i would expect a working geologist to know more about the age of the earth than a non-scientist who happened to read a chapter in genesis, sure.

Jesus and the Bible are a conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no, but creationist websites and books are certainly are a conspiracy to make money off ignorant christians.

Sure you have.

not interested in historical debate with you. just responding to your assumption that i haven't studied the bible's historicity.

 

[magnifier661]

Well one thing is for certain. We will all find out one day. If we are right; don't say nobody tried to tell you.

 

[MadeFromDust]

unlike you, scientists don't claim to know what happened. they don't "believe" anything.

Sure they do. They believe life somehow came from non-life, without a scrap of evidence. Only some scientists believe this though.

false. the general public believed those things. various scientists have known the truth since the ancient greeks.

They did did they? Well various scientists have known the truth about God and the Bible since ancient times. See what I did thar?

this is actually true. humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor.

OK let me rephrase that, there is no evidence that humans "evolved" from an ape-like creature.

i would expect a working geologist to know more about the age of the earth than a non-scientist who happened to read a chapter in genesis, sure.

There are geologists who believe the Bible too, you know. You seem to have exclusionary view of what science is, it's quite bothersome.

no, but creationist websites and books are certainly are a conspiracy to make money off ignorant christians.

"Creationist websites" haven't seen a dime of my money, and I don't even go on creationist websites. Quit making crap up.

not interested in historical debate with you. just responding to your assumption that i haven't studied the bible's historicity.

Not surprised you aren't, that's a debate you would not win my friend. The Bible has mountains of archaeological and historical evidence backing it.

 

[TripTango]

Well one thing is for certain. We will all find out one day. If we are right; don't say nobody tried to tell you.

Amen. And if the Buddhists are right, I look forward to arguing this with you all over again in 100 years.

 

[magnifier661]

Amen. And if the Buddhists are right, I look forward to arguing this with you all over again in 100 years.

touché

 

[crowTrobot]

Sure they do. They believe life somehow came from non-life.

no they don't. they think it is more probable than not that it did, but unlike you they are open to evidence to the contrary.

They did did they? Well various scientists have known the truth about God and the Bible since ancient times. See what I did thar?

nope, no clue.

There are geologists who believe the Bible too, you know.

lots of working geologists are christians. zero working geologists would say the earth is <10000 years old. i don't get why any christian has to necessarily be so married to that.

"Creationist websites" haven't seen a dime of my money, and I don't even go on creationist websites. Quit making crap up.

you've obviously read your share of YEC literature somewhere. you frequently quote talking points, sometimes almost word for word.

Not surprised you aren't, that's a debate you would not win my friend. The Bible has mountains of archaeological and historical evidence backing it.

don't really care who would win. just not interested in debating someone who's view of the age of the earth indicates they are incapable of objectivity.

 

[MARIS61]

There is no empirical evidence that man "evolved" from apes..

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm

When scientists speak of evolution as a theory they do not mean that it is a mere speculation. It is a theory in the same sense as the propositions that the earth is round rather than flat or that our bodies are made of atoms are theories. Most people would consider such fundamental theories to be sufficiently tested by empirical evidence to conclude that they are indeed facts. As a result of the massive amount of evidence for biological evolution accumulated over the last two centuries, we can safely conclude that evolution has occurred and continues to occur. All life forms, including humans, evolved from earlier species, and all still living species of organisms continue to evolve today. They are not unchanging end-products.

Believing in evolution doesn't directly disagree with the existence of god(s), although it implies it.

You could argue that god designed species to evolve and improve.

from the same link:

For those who have difficulty in accepting evolution because of what they perceive as contradictions with their fundamental religious beliefs, it may be useful to distinguish the ultimate origin of life from its later evolution. Many, if not most, biological scientists accept that primordial life on earth began as a result of chance natural occurrences 3.5-4 billion years ago. However, it is not necessary to believe in that view in order to accept that living creatures evolved by natural means after the origin of the first life. Charles Darwin modified his religious beliefs, as did many others, as a result of the discovery of convincing proof of evolution. Darwin's religious faith was also severely challenged by the death of his 10 year old daughter Annie in 1851. Apparently, he came to believe that his God created the order of the universe including the rules of nature that result in biological evolution. His famous book, On the Origin of Species, was not a denial of his God's existence. However, he did reject a literal interpretation of the Judeo-Christian Bible. His religious beliefs were probably very similar to those who advocate "theistic evolution" today.


Absence of evolution would not be evidence god(s) exist either though.

If/when it is proven that there was no "creation", and that matter and energy have always been and always will be transforming with no beginning and no end, either by self-direction or random chance (the most logical arguement currently available)

 

[MARIS61]

Well one thing is for certain. We will all find out one day. If we are right; don't say nobody tried to tell you.

No, you won't.

It may make death easier for you to contemplate now, but you won't find out anything when that day comes.

If you really seek truth, do it now before it's too late.

 

[MARIS61]

OK let me rephrase that, there is no evidence that humans "evolved" from an ape-like creature.

Wrong.

You were only half wrong before you rephrased it.