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God I love distractions.
 
Sedatedfork said:
I think I found you. Link
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HAAK72 said:
...no it's not :dunno: first you use the word "examples" as if this thread actually contains multiple examples of the "media not seeking truth". Clickbait tactics I guess. Reading the OP title one would think this would be about "examples of media not seeking the truth", but you provide none. The OP is just one half-assed babbling about your so called assertion that the media didn't cover the meaning of Natural Born Citizen during the birther movement. But you provide no proof beyond your claim. You say there is one source for the meaning of Natural Born Citizen, but again provide none. I get it though, nowadays that is the Trump way so I understand why you would spew nonsense like that without actually backing it up with anything credible. They even coined a phrase for this, what was it? #AlternativeFacts
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There were more examples and probably more to come.
But here is the section of historical reference Madison used in Stating the requirement of Natural Born.

Law of Nation 212 Book 1

"Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority,
they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country,
of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens,
those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this,
in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society,
reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;
and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion,
they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country,
it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner,
it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

And so it was, until the 14th amendment which broadened whom would be a citizen. It did not however change whom would be a Natural born Citizen.
 
MarAzul said:
This Court lacks jurisdiction?
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If your argument had any merit, an attorney for an Obama hating citizen or organization would have taken up the cause and pushed the issue with the courts. They either did, and were completely unsuccessful, or they didn't because they knew the argument was frivolous and they would likely be sanctioned by the court. Either way, it is lunacy to expect for the media to pick up the ravings of a madman like Mr. Strunk.
 
Sedatedfork said:
If your argument had any merit, an attorney for an Obama hating citizen or organization would have taken up the cause and pushed the issue with the courts. They either did, and were completely unsuccessful, or they didn't because they knew the argument was frivolous and they would likely be sanctioned by the court. Either way, it is lunacy to expect for the media to pick up the ravings of a madman like Mr. Strunk.
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And this all means to your that the requirement has no meaning? Well it is working out that way, since the media does not seek the truth. You nor I probably have standing to do shit about it.
 
MarAzul said:
And this all means to your that the requirement has no meaning? Well it is working out that way, since the media does not seek the truth. You nor I probably have standing to do shit about it.
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I believe it is commonly understood to mean someone born in the United States or US territory. The term means what the courts say it means. You can disagree, or maybe tweet that these are "so-called" judges, but it doesn't change the fact that courts interpret the Constitution.
 
MarAzul said:
Now it is your turn. What does the requirement Natural Born mean in your understanding? Or is this just to be ignored?
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...how does a passage from Madison prove that the media is not seeking the truth? You still have failed to do this. :dunno:

But in regards to Madison himself he too believed that the Constitution should be fluid so long as there is a democratic people having a long, clear conversation about what their core values are. He says that conversation has to be long, thoughtful, sober, and learned, and guided by responsible statesmen who know what’s at stake and are educating people about what these basic issues are. Sounds like to be me that even Madison would accept the new amendments and rulings that have been cast over the years regarding this "Natural Born Citizen" issue that you are so hung up on.
 
Well, these people at least are coming to grips with what is going on over in their country...

 
You know Obama isn't the first president with a parent who was not born on US soil, right?

The Constitution itself doesn't define "natural born citizen" but it has been defined by subsequent case law. The media gave this frivolous claim all the coverage it deserved.
 
MarAzul said:
that a person be born of a father who is a citizen
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and there's the words....paternal privilege...not maternal...needless to say, it does no longer apply to our population....you can be born to an American mother and be a citizen able to run for political office
 
What if the father is indeterminable? I guess you can't be president! Jesus (immaculately conceived and born in Jerusalem) was not qualified to be President! Sad!
 
HAAK72 said:
Sounds like to be me that even Madison would accept the new amendments
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HAAK72 said:
rulings that have been cast over the years regarding this "Natural Born Citizen" issue
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Of course Madison would I presume. He did give us the amendment process, however none have changed the requirement.

Perhaps you can point to the rulings. Congress I believe has ruled that McCain was qualified and that makes sense even though born in the Canal zone The children of Citizens are Natural born
even though born abroad. The canal zone is his place of birth, not his citizenship. I believe they also ruled in the case of George Romney, and one other candidate that escapes my memory.
None of these changes the requirement or alters the meaning.
 
Foreign Born US Presidents

Preamble
Though the Declaration of Independence was dated July 4, 1776, it took 13 years to win and confirm this independence on the battle fields. A recognizable new nation called the United States of America, with its own constitution and government was established only in 1783 through the treatry of Paris signed by King George the Third and the representatives of the United States of America.

Prior to this date, anyone born in North America, presently known as USA, was actually born in a British Colony, controlled by England and was a citizen of England and pledged allegiance to the British Crown. Thus nine of the forty-three Presidents, who had served as president, were foreign born. These nine foreign born US presidents are listed hereunder:

1. George Washington (1789-1797) was born in 1732, in the British Colony of Virginia, and was a British subject, until the formation of the Government of the United States of America in 1789, when he became its first president.
2. John Adams (1797-1801) was born in the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1735.
3. Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) was born in 1743 in the colony of Virginia.
4. James Madison (1809-1817) was born in 1751 in the colony of Virginia.
5. James Monroe (1817-1825) was born in the colony of Virginia, in 1758.
6. John Quincy Adams (1825-1829) was born in 1767 in the colony of Massachusetts.
7. Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) was born in 1767 in the colony of the Carolinas.
8. Martin Van Buren (1837-1841) was born in 1782 in the colony of New York.
9. William Henry Harrison (1841) was born in 1773 in the colony of of Virginia. He died in office from pneumonia.

The tenth US president, John Tyler (1841-1845) was the First US born president
 
education is fascinating Marz.....topics of controversy are what fuel higher education. If you believe our first 9 presidents weren't foreign born, you must revere England as a parent country....not a foreign power.
 
riverman said:
. You can't just block posts you don't want to acknowledge...
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You can't?

The media is on crack.
 
riverman said:
education is fascinating Marz.....topics of controversy are what fuel higher education. If you believe our first 9 presidents weren't foreign born, you must revere England as a parent country....not a foreign power.
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Upon losing the war, England lost all claim past, present and future, to America. No Certificate of Participation.

This is how all countries are viewed in a legal sense pertaining to citizenship after a war or coup changes the country and it's governing principles. .

People born in East Germany are now Germans.

Indians born in America are now American citizens by birth. As far as I know, they make no claim to English citizenship.
 
riverman said:
Foreign Born US Presidents

Preamble
Though the Declaration of Independence was dated July 4, 1776, it took 13 years to win and confirm this independence on the battle fields. A recognizable new nation called the United States of America, with its own constitution and government was established only in 1783 through the treatry of Paris signed by King George the Third and the representatives of the United States of America.

Prior to this date, anyone born in North America, presently known as USA, was actually born in a British Colony, controlled by England and was a citizen of England and pledged allegiance to the British Crown. Thus nine of the forty-three Presidents, who had served as president, were foreign born. These nine foreign born US presidents are listed hereunder:

1. George Washington (1789-1797) was born in 1732, in the British Colony of Virginia, and was a British subject, until the formation of the Government of the United States of America in 1789, when he became its first president.
2. John Adams (1797-1801) was born in the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1735.
3. Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) was born in 1743 in the colony of Virginia.
4. James Madison (1809-1817) was born in 1751 in the colony of Virginia.
5. James Monroe (1817-1825) was born in the colony of Virginia, in 1758.
6. John Quincy Adams (1825-1829) was born in 1767 in the colony of Massachusetts.
7. Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) was born in 1767 in the colony of the Carolinas.
8. Martin Van Buren (1837-1841) was born in 1782 in the colony of New York.
9. William Henry Harrison (1841) was born in 1773 in the colony of of Virginia. He died in office from pneumonia.

The tenth US president, John Tyler (1841-1845) was the First US born president
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You are correct sir. And thus the reason for exempting themselves of the requirement to be Natural Born citizens. None of the founders could qualify as you rightfully point out.

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"
 
riverman said:
and there's the words....paternal privilege...not maternal...needless to say, it does no longer apply to our population....you can be born to an American mother and be a citizen able to run for political office
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Perhaps you have a point. What would the amendment look like while serving the need? I think is fair to say they did intend to make it difficult for a foreigner to come to this country, father a child
and educate him to become President.

Well damned if that isn't just about what happened, but only because we ignored the Constitution.

This sure as hell doesn't look like a US President's work with his allegiance to the US foremost in his mind.
http://www.newsweek.com/us-gave-palestinians-221-million-obamas-last-day-office-547363
 
MARIS61 said:
they make no claim to English citizenship
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Our forefathers were born under British rule...as children they really claimed nothing until they grew up and revolted....the point was birthright not adult choices
 
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