FARIED COULD BE AVAILABLE? SHOULD THE BLAZERS BE INTERESTED IF TRUE?

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Multiple sources around the league have reported in the last month that Denver has put out targeted feelers on Faried, gauging his value and demanding very good return. The Nuggets, for their part, deny they've put Faried's name out there at all. Faried is entering the third season of his four-year rookie deal, and given his per-game numbers, he figures to get paid on his next contract. If the Nuggets believe Faried has hit his ceiling, and that his game lacks the all-around polish Brian Shaw has said he wants from his big men, it would make sense for Denver to see what it can get. Let's be clear: Faried has a lot of value, and no trade is ever "likely"; there are just too many roadblocks to go that far. But I'm smelling something here.
 
The thing with Faried is he is great for where he was picked in the draft. But he is still a bench player IMO. He lacks skills on offense. So I am sure Denver is hoping some other team values him more then they do. I know he has a lot of fans on this board, but I am not sure he is any better than TRob. Which right now is s a back up PF. Denver does not want to pay him starters money.
 
The thing with Faried is he is great for where he was picked in the draft. But he is still a bench player IMO. He lacks skills on offense. So I am sure Denver is hoping some other team values him more then they do. I know he has a lot of fans on this board, but I am not sure he is any better than TRob. Which right now is s a back up PF. Denver does not want to pay him starters money.

I actually think that Robinson has a higher ceiling than Faried. Right now Faried is the better player, especially on defense, but I think Robinson could be a much better offensive player.
 
What is the difference between Faried and JJ Hickson? No one can explain that to me. But people were eager to shoe JJ out of town while whining about how we took Smith over Faried.
 
I'd do Faried for T-Rob + Leonard.

But Denver probably wouldn't.

They'll probably end up asking too much then ending up letting him walk in free agency.
 
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What is the difference between Faried and JJ Hickson? No one can explain that to me. But people were eager to shoe JJ out of town while whining about how we took Smith over Faried.

Faried's moms are lesbians, that's the difference.

That and the freaky ass hair.
 
What is the difference between Faried and JJ Hickson? No one can explain that to me. But people were eager to shoe JJ out of town while whining about how we took Smith over Faried.

Faried is just a better all-around player.

Better defensive rating - 102 to Hickson's 106
Better offensive rating - 116 to Hickson's 113

Beter win shares - 7.8 to Hickson's 6.9

Hickson is a better rebounder, but Faried is a better defender.
 
I thought we were done using defensive rating?

Come on.
 
Defensive potential with Joakim Noah-esque energy. He also has the length (9'0" reach) to play a little five as well. FWIW, his reach is identical to Meyers.

Though, last season he stopped attacking the rim like he used to and started shooting that mid-range jumper.

Annoys the fuck out of me. Even DMC is starting to shy away from the post for a mid-range jumper.
 
Defensive potential with Joakim Noah-esque energy. He also has the length (9'0" reach) to play a little five as well. FWIW, his reach is identical to Meyers.

Though, last season he stopped attacking the rim like he used to and started shooting that mid-range jumper.

Annoys the fuck out of me. Even DMC is starting to shy away from the post for a mid-range jumper.

ZBO did the same thing. Much easier on the body to just sit back and lob 12-15 footers.
 
What is the difference between Faried and JJ Hickson? No one can explain that to me. But people were eager to shoe JJ out of town while whining about how we took Smith over Faried.

Yeah I agree Hickson got a bad rap. He is a legit rotational player and signed to a valuable contract. Blazer fans have a need to cast one guy as the scape goat every season. Its a bizarre mindset. Zbo, Jack, Martell, Bayless, Rudy got in some fans doghouse and all their positives were ignored while their negatives were focused on. Goes back to the days of fans whining for dumping Rasheed as it would be addition by subtraction but it instead led to 5 years of lottery hell.

Hickson had many great plays last year and often outplayed LaMarcus. If we had twin Hicksons the team would've been much better, the problem was our bench.
 
Well depends on the contract he wants and how he'd fit into the lineup. You'd like to give him 25ish minutes but behind LMA he isn't going to get that.
 
My only concern about Faried is that he seems to have a chip that states he's a starter. I wonder if he is a bit of a head case.
 
Yeah I agree Hickson got a bad rap. He is a legit rotational player and signed to a valuable contract. Blazer fans have a need to cast one guy as the scape goat every season. Its a bizarre mindset. Zbo, Jack, Martell, Bayless, Rudy got in some fans doghouse and all their positives were ignored while their negatives were focused on. Goes back to the days of fans whining for dumping Rasheed as it would be addition by subtraction but it instead led to 5 years of lottery hell.

Hickson had many great plays last year and often outplayed LaMarcus. If we had twin Hicksons the team would've been much better, the problem was our bench.

Except the first question was what the difference is between Faried and Hickson, and one of Hickson's knocks is that he's a horrible defender. Faried is not. This is measurable in many ways, IE more blocks, more steals, better defensive rating, better defensive win share. Hickson is a slightly better rebounder and has a more polished offensive game, but people love Faried for his energy and his defense.
 
The only real reason to trade for Faried is if we were going to overpay him next year and keep him because we would give up a lot for a backup PF who is fairly limited. Something we don't need to do unless were sure LA leaves and if were sure LA leaves i'd rather overpay Millsap then Faried.
 
Why do the Nuggets suddenly want to trade Faried? Obviously, it's because they are seeing Hickson as the better player in camp.

Here we are guessing who's better, while a physical comparison is possible in Denver. My favorite player from last year, whom Olshey never noticed till I screamed on this board to get Hickson, is obviously kicking Faried's ass.

Olshey reads this board for my nuggets of wisdom.
 
Juwan could help us immeasurably.

It's like this: Sure, you're a young moderator, full of energy and ambition. But if this board had a chance at landing grizzled old Truebluefan, with 700,000 posts under his belt, you'd be out on your ear. That poor old guy has such a work ethic, he probably moonlights as a Santa's elf when Denny lays him off in the winter. Juwan could teach the young bucks tips, plus he's a better shooter than any of our big men except Aldridge.
 
Would I much rather have had Faried and Rudy for the last 2 years than Nolan Smith and Felton? Uh, yeah. And as Pinwheel said, a large part of his value comes from being the #21 pick and getting paid like it. (He's made less in the last 2 years than Juwan Howard and Ronnie Price, for instance ;) )

But he's NOT polished. This is not a Millsap or Jefferson situation, where you could debate sticking them at the starting 4 and seeing what you could get for LMA. Faried is not starter material yet, and (as also pointed out) is basically Robinson with lower ceiling but who's achieved more of his potential.

Where he IS great, though, is in rebounding and transition. I think it was in Lowe's Grantland article where it said that his post-up points-per-possession were about .61 PPP or so (I'll look it up in a minute), but in transition it's 1.32 PPP. That's pretty amazing. He's anti-LaMonster in the paint, but an absolutely elite rebounder.

(Edit: It was SB Nation, quoting Synergy.
Last season he posted up just 39 times, making only 14 of his attempts, according to Synergy Sports Technology. That's a paltry .61 points per possession. In comparison, he averaged over double that in transition with 1.31 points per possession.

For defense, here's the list of all-time players who've averaged a DRB>22%, in more than 2200 minutes, with a block and steal per game.

Of active players, only KG, Howard, Camby and Faried have done it. They're pretty good defenders. Others on the list: Kareem, the Admiral, the Dream, Moses, Barkley, Ben Wallace, Shawn Kemp, Elvin Hayes, Bill Walton, Buck Williams, Jack Sikma. Pretty darn good company.

If for some reason LMA could play C all the time, having someone like Faried at the 4 would probably work well. But I can't see relying on Faried being on the floor for 35 mpg next to RoLo's or MyLe's offense. And that makes him a backup, though a valuable one. And if you traded Robinson or Leonard for him, I wouldn't cry too much. But you can't give up a starter's ransom for him, and you can't really give him an extension beyond the MLE, which I'm not sure he'd take. :dunno:
 
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Which is why I was advocating for Hickson. You thought I was arguing for Faried?
 
Steve Kyler said:
‏@stevekylerNBA A comment on the Kenneth Faried "gauging his trade" value talk is more about due diligence before paying him. Is seeking a monster contract

Steve Kyler is the Editor and Publisher of HOOPSWORLD covering the NBA and basketball for USA Today Sports.

Where might he get this "monster contract" from? I'd imagine a team with an offensively-skilled big man who runs a good transition game. He has this year and next before his RFA, so who would trade for him expecting to give him a "monster extension" or match a big RFA deal?

He'd look pretty good with Nash/K*be/Pau (though there'd be no one to trade for him there).
GSW next to Lee or Bogut would probably be a good fit (Curry/Iggy/Barnes/Faried/Lee or Bogut). Would DEN want Klay or would GSW give up Barnes?
Maybe NOP next to Davis?
HOU might be a fit, but I don't see DEN wanting Asik back.
NJN as a replacement for KG next to Brookie Monster, but again, who are they giving up for him and how are they making the salaries work? And I don't think of NJN as an "uptempo" team.
CHA next to Zeller or Al Jefferson?
 
Maxing out Faried would be a huge mistake. He's a great player, but he's a role player, not a star.
 
Maxing out Faried would be a huge mistake. He's a great player, but he's a role player, not a star.

Heck, I think the 4/36M Splitter deal might be too much. Like I said, if he was making, say, roughly what Wes was making, I think that's do-able. Elite role players are hard to come by. A JJ Redick 4/27M wouldn't be horrible. Somewhere in that range.

But is he Steph Curry (4/44M)? Batum (4/46M)? No. LMA (5/65M)? Of course not. Max? LOL.
 
Heck, I think the 4/36M Splitter deal might be too much. Like I said, if he was making, say, roughly what Wes was making, I think that's do-able. Elite role players are hard to come by. A JJ Redick 4/27M wouldn't be horrible. Somewhere in that range.

But is he Steph Curry (4/44M)? Batum (4/46M)? No. LMA (5/65M)? Of course not. Max? LOL.

Makes me wonder if they brought in JJ Hickson as insurance. They could sell high and move Hickson into the starting lineup.
 
Faried will get paid big because GM's LOVE to give out huge contracts for people with "potential" oozing out of them. Someone is going to talk themselves into giving him close to 10m/y because they are convinced they can get him to cash in on his potential.
 

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