FARIED COULD BE AVAILABLE? SHOULD THE BLAZERS BE INTERESTED IF TRUE?

[BlazerBeav]

Hickson had many great plays last year and often outplayed LaMarcus. If we had twin Hicksons the team would've been much better, the problem was our bench.

Yeah, no. Hickson got a lot of cheap points and rebounds due TO LaMarcus drawing the attention of the defense. I'm not dogging on Hickson - he had a good season, but to say he often outplayed our #1 option in an All-Star season is hyperbole at best.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Which is why I was advocating for Hickson. You thought I was arguing for Faried?

Right. Last season with Hickson as our starting center:

We were outrebounded by our opponents
Rebounded better as a team when Hickson was on the bench
We were DEAD LAST in opponent's points in the paint
Were DEAD LAST in opponent's 2-point FG%
Won 33 games

And you really want more of that????

So far in the preseason (I know it's only preseason), with an actual center, we are absolutely dominating our opponents on the glass. I admired Hickson for his hustle and effort, but no way in hell do I want to see him starting for the Blazers ever again. In fact, I'd LOVE to see him starting for a division rival in Denver. The ONLY reason Denver is shopping Faried is money. They don't want to give him a big contract next summer. Even after Hickson's "breakout" season, Denver got him cheap, because his weaknesses are many and glaring. Denver thought he as a $5 million a year player (below league average). Nobody else thought he was even worth that. They were right.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Makes me wonder if they brought in JJ Hickson as insurance. They could sell high and move Hickson into the starting lineup.

Most definitely. They got Hickson cheap, and that allows them to shop Faried and hope to get something of value in return. Worst case, they let Faried walk after the season is over and let Hickson start next year. Personally, as a Blazer fan, I like that scenario.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

BTW, I agree with those who think we should pass on Faried and keep Robinson. Faried was a steal where he was drafted, and would have been a great backup power forward behind Aldridge - when he was drafted. But, that ship has sailed. Faried has been starting in Denver, will expect to keep starting and will expect starter's money. He's no longer the great value he once was. Thomas Robinson is the same type of player, but younger and cheaper with more offensive upside. It is now TRob who is the great value - on his affordable rookie deal. No need to overspend on Faried when we already have Robinson at $3 - $4 million over the next three seasons.

BNM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Faried this preaseason (first 5 games):
Started, went 1-8
Started, went 2-6
Came off the bench (Hickson started instead), went 10-12
Came off the bench (Hickson started instead), went 0-3
DNP

(edit: quick question - what would people including me be saying if our denigrated backup C put up these numbers? We'd be screaming.)

Notes: ESPN lists him as a SF.
He seems to have lost his starting job to Hickson.
He wants a big contract.

I like Faried a lot actually, but....
We have good chemistry now.
Our team's only real weakness is backup C, though some seek a better starting SG and C as well.
Faried is none of these. So, for us to trade for him he'd have to be cheap which I'm sure is not the case.

 

[StumptownHoliday]

Right. Last season with Hickson as our starting center:

We were outrebounded by our opponents
Rebounded better as a team when Hickson was on the bench
We were DEAD LAST in opponent's points in the paint
Were DEAD LAST in opponent's 2-point FG%
Won 33 games

And you really want more of that????

So far in the preseason (I know it's only preseason), with an actual center, we are absolutely dominating our opponents on the glass. I admired Hickson for his hustle and effort, but no way in hell do I want to see him starting for the Blazers ever again. In fact, I'd LOVE to see him starting for a division rival in Denver. The ONLY reason Denver is shopping Faried is money. They don't want to give him a big contract next summer. Even after Hickson's "breakout" season, Denver got him cheap, because his weaknesses are many and glaring. Denver thought he as a $5 million a year player (below league average). Nobody else thought he was even worth that. They were right.

BNM

First off, I want to say I appreciate the direction this Nuggets organization is going... straight down.

Great stats BNM.It's obvious the Nuggets are putting out trade feelers for Ken Faried because his contract is coming up, and despite his hype and popularity (I really like his personality and attitude on and off the court), they know he's a one-dimensional player who's about to get a biiiig payday he probably doesn't actually deserve. Also, the Nuggets are just cheap, which sucks for their fans.

Hickson is the very definition of fool's gold though. The Nuggets are hurting themselves for choosing him over Faried (if that is in fact what they intend to do)... but trading for Faried, at his upcoming salary... no way jose.

 

[blue9]

Faried ... is still a bench player IMO. He lacks skills on offense.

This.

I actually think that Robinson has a higher ceiling than Faried. Right now Faried is the better player, especially on defense, but I think Robinson could be a much better offensive player.

And this.

 

[santeesioux]

I agree that we should just roll with Trob and see what we have.

 

[Natebishop3]

If I was Denver, I'd see if Detroit would bite on a Faried for Monroe deal. Not sure how well Faried would do next to Drummond though.

 

[BrianFromWA]

well, with Jennings and Josh Smith around, there's plenty of rebounds to be had.

 

[Natebishop3]

well, with Jennings and Josh Smith around, there's plenty of rebounds to be had.

Yeah, but Faried and Drummond are too similar. Energy guys, defensive players, good rebounders, etc. Monroe/drummond is actually a pretty good tandem. Not sure why Detroit would shop him, but I thought I remembered seeing something about him being on the block.

 

[Sinobas]

Faried wasn't trying to play center last year either....

 

[noknobs]

I like Faried, but not as much as Faried like Faried, and Faried don't like us.

“I ain’t going to lie to you: I don’t like them,’’ Faried told The Oregonian this week in Denver. “I think it’s disrespectful what they did..."

So, no.

 

[jlprk]

Right. Last season with Hickson as our starting center:

We were outrebounded by our opponents
Rebounded better as a team when Hickson was on the bench
We were DEAD LAST in opponent's points in the paint
Were DEAD LAST in opponent's 2-point FG%
Won 33 games

And you really want more of that????

So far in the preseason (I know it's only preseason), with an actual center, we are absolutely dominating our opponents on the glass. I admired Hickson for his hustle and effort, but no way in hell do I want to see him starting for the Blazers ever again. In fact, I'd LOVE to see him starting for a division rival in Denver. The ONLY reason Denver is shopping Faried is money. They don't want to give him a big contract next summer. Even after Hickson's "breakout" season, Denver got him cheap, because his weaknesses are many and glaring. Denver thought he as a $5 million a year player (below league average). Nobody else thought he was even worth that. They were right.

What does Hickson's Blazer performance have to do with my saying he's at least as effective as Faried, as proven by the fact that he's taken his job? You like to play "straw man," as Mags inaccurately calls it.

 

[Rhal]

What does Hickson's Blazer performance have to do with my saying he's at least as effective as Faried, as proven by the fact that he's taken his job? You like to play "straw man," as Mags inaccurately calls it.

Because stats say otherwise. He had always been a very poor defender dating back to his cleveland days and as good of a rebounder as he is teams rebound better with him off the floor.
Faried and Hickson are very similair but Faried is a better defender

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[OregonHuskerMan]

Need Favors, the elite rebounder, not Faried.

Favors is young and loaded with potential. Faried is...well, Faried.

 

[PHXBlazer1]

I would never trade for Faried because I don't approve of the lifestyle his parents chose.

 

[Sean is the Mannion]

Faried is just a better all-around player.

Better defensive rating - 102 to Hickson's 106
Better offensive rating - 116 to Hickson's 113

Beter win shares - 7.8 to Hickson's 6.9

Hickson is a better rebounder, but Faried is a better defender.

Hickson is taller, faried hustles more
thats about it

 

[Natebishop3]

Hickson is taller, faried hustles more
thats about it

You ignore stats, I see....

 

[Sean is the Mannion]

You ignore stats, I see....

Faried is a bad defender

 

[Natebishop3]

Faried is a bad defender

If Faried is a bad defender, what does that make Hickson?

 

[BrianFromWA]

there's a difference, I think, in being a below-average defender due to being a young player and not picking up team principles and concepts, and in being below-average due to low motor, low athleticism, and low effectiveness.

Kid is athletic, has a high motor, is an elite rebounder, gets blocks, gets steals and plays decently enough in a team concept. I don't know that you can say "Bad" defender.

 

[RR7]

If Faried is a bad defender, what does that make Hickson?

Also bad. Thing is, it's not good to just use DRtg to say look, he's better. They were comparable compared to their team. And it's definitely a team influenced stat. If you want to use DRtg to show anything, then you'd also have to accept that Hickson was our best defender last season.

According to synergy, Faried gave up .95 points per possession. Which was good for 380th in the league. Hickson was at .94.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Meh. We didn't have a place for JJ, why would we want Fareid?

Plus, that hair, I mean, come on now...