Favourite Current Mainstream Rapper

[NTC]

<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yup

and 50 Cents First ablum was a nice album. I'm not saying he is a good rapper, but that album was nice.

and how would you know if the majority of the people who bought the albums know nothing about hip-hop? That is what is called speculation.

Wayne doesn't even get played on BET-106 Park, and he is hardly ever on MTV or any other show. A lot of his success has come from his mixtapes, which mainstream fans hardly ever listen to.</div>

What are you talking about? He's released 4 platinum albums, and one that has gone gold.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In 2004, Wayne Carter released Tha Carter. This album is marked as a personal milestone as he claimed to have finally perfected his trade. It was also Tha Carter that finally earned him little notability outside the south as a lyricist because at that time (and even still today), southern rappers are stereotyped as having little to no lyrical ability. He claims to be living proof that the stereotype is a dud as his lyrics are never written, contrary to the way most lyricists produce their rhymes. He is self-proclaimed to be second to only Jay-Z as one of the best freestyle artists in the world (this,along with the "best rapper alive" statement, has caused controversy because many feel that he is not really as good as he thinks he is).

On November 11, 2005 Wayne released Tha Carter II which further solidified his spot as a contemporary rapper, noticeably producing the album without the prominent beats of Mannie Fresh. Tha Carter II sold about 238,000 copies debuting at no. 2 on the Billboard Top 200 albums chart and has been certified platinum. The lead single off the album, "Fireman", became a hit in the US, peaking at 32 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. The second single, "Grown Man", was solicited to urban radios in January of 2006 in hopes of spreading to Top 40 Mainstream and then to the Hot 100, but failed to do so and failed to receive any attention due to lack of promotion and no video.[citation needed] The third single "Hustler Muzik" received a video and gained minor attention also. "Hustler Muzik" reached #87 on the Billboard Hot 100.</div>

 

[Chutney]

That wikipedia article is so biased, it's not even funny.

 

[NTC]

<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Still can't call those facts though. I mean, almost everyone might agree with it. And it might be really valid. But, you're judging him to standard of lyrical ability, flow that other people may not agree with. Not saying I disagree with you, because I haven't doubted anything you've said about Wayne. But, a fact would be something like "Lil Wayne is male." Saying "Lil Wayne sucks" or "he has terrible flow" are opinions, even if 99.9% agree with you.</div>

Well I'm not going to argue with that.

Just want to make clear, especially to Air Fresh, that I'm not having a go at you for liking Lil' Wayne, I'm just saying, Lil' Wayne may like to think he is the best rapper alive, I'm just trying to point out that that isnt the case.

I will say though, I listened to a bit more of his music, and he isnt AS bad as I first thought, although my original comments still stand.

 

[The Dream]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Wayne doesn't even get played on BET-106 Park, and he is hardly ever on MTV or any other show. A lot of his success has come from his mixtapes, which mainstream fans hardly ever listen to.
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I don't watch BET or MTV a lot, but I KNOW Wayne has always gotten his fair share of play on those stations.....I'm with NTC on this one, I really don't care who does and who doesn't like the man, but to claim that he is "the best rapper alive" is ridiculous.......opinions CAN be wrong.......I could say that Spudd Webb was the greatest basketball player ever......it's an opinion yes, but it's a wrong one.......opinions need to have some kind of valid argument behind them.

 

[B.e.]

Obviously he isn't the best rapper alive compared to legends....

Maybe he is just adressing that to the current mainstream.

The only Wayne song that got a lot of play on BET or MTV was Fireman. Hustler Muzik didn't get much, neither did shooter. Stuntin Like My Daddy gets some play.

 

[The Dream]

Hustler Music got it's fair share of play also, and all the stuff he used to do with cash money, both group and solo got plenty of love from those stations also.

 

[playmaker15]

I agree with some saying 50 isn't too great but Get Rich or Die Trying was a hell of an ablum I enjoyed every song on there and it's probalby one of the best ablums in recent years. Also, Wayne's mixtapes are A LOT better than what he puts out on mainstream stuff.

 

[Flow]

I'm a dirty south fan. My favourite rapper is Young "the snowman" Jeezy.

I just loved his Thug Motivation 101, 102 is pretty good, too.

Also his freestyles are good. "Can't Ban the Snowman" was good and "Trap or Die (Gangsta Grillz Edition) was very good.


Also I like Dipset. Cam'Ron, Jim Jones and other are hot.

I just started to listen 'em so I'll write the MAIN reasons later.

 

[The Dream]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> a dirty south fan. My favourite rapper is Young "the snowman" Jeezy.

I just loved his Thug Motivation 101, 102 is pretty good, too.

Also his freestyles are good. "Can't Ban the Snowman" was good and "Trap or Die (Gangsta Grillz Edition) was very good.


Also I like Dipset. Cam'Ron, Jim Jones and other are hot.

I just started to listen 'em so I'll write the MAIN reasons later.
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Lord help this child.

 

[NTC]

I'm not trying to be a smart ass with this comment, but I would genuinely like to hear some reasons as to why you people think the likes of Young Jeezy, Lil' Wayne etc. are so good?

 

[44Thrilla]

<div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not trying to be a smart ass with this comment, but I would genuinely like to hear some reasons as to why you people think the likes of Young Jeezy, Lil' Wayne etc. are so good?</div>

*crickets*

 

[B.e.]

Why I think Wayne is good?

His flow is nice, has multiple flows on some tracks.

Wayne's Punchlines are nice, he always have that line that just makes me go back and be like wow I never even realized he was saying that.

Music you can bump to, like play loud in your car.

Has shown versatility in raps, makes the songs for the ladies, the street records, the sentimental records.

Typical reasons to why anybody would like a rapper.

 

[KS1]

I'm tryna figure out...who do you guys think is actually a good current main-stream rapper?!
How strong of a flow, message, rhyme, skill do you expect from guys that make their money off a image they portray to be "gangsta" and a "hustla?!

But my favorites are Nas(dunno if he has any new stuff out but he is pretty current), Yukmouth(Does he count as mainstream?), Chamillionaire(his tapes), T.I., Fabo, Juelz Santana...

 

[Flow]

Snowman's Thug Motivation 101 was the best of all-time albums (I'm a huge fan of Jeezy), but from the 102 the only superb song was I Love It (put that song is some real ****, men).

 

[B.e.]

thug motivation 102 doesnt come out until December, so I don't know what your talking about. I love it, is the first single from the album

 

[Flow]

Umm... On his homepage it said clearly that it's coming out on October... And october is over soon.

 

[Flow]

<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Lord help this child.</div>WTF do yo have to complain about now ??

 

[The One & Only]

Fact is something that can be proven. You can't prove that someone is boring, delivers weak, has confusing lyrics, etc.

In terms of mainstream, I like Ludacris to an extent, DMX, Mobb Deep, Busta Rhymes, Fabolous, Kanye West, Nas, and Outkast.

That is, if you consider those guys mainstream.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Junoon:</div><div class="quote_post">The compeititon level is really low in terms of actual SKILL nowadays, it's about who has the most catchiest beat and hook.</div>

Agreed. There is no new guys that peak my interest.

Also, you guys should stop busting each others chops for listening to music you may dislike. It's all based on personal preference, even if I dislike many of the rappers named here *COUGHJEEZY&LILWAYNECOUGH*, I'm not going to create an arguement out of it.

Doesn't matter if their song has a story, or truth behind it. What matters is if people like it.

 

[B.e.]

<div class="quote_poster">Flow Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Umm... On his homepage it said clearly that it's coming out on October... And october is over soon.</div>

Well either he hasn't updated his page, or thats not his official page.

Its coming out in December barring pushbacks or push forwards, and I know this for a fact

edit I go to youngjeezy.com and there is a poster that says "Inspiration 12.12.06" lol

 

[Really Lost One]

<div class="quote_poster">Flow Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Snowman's Thug Motivation 101 was the best of all-time albums (I'm a huge fan of Jeezy), but from the 102 the only superb song was I Love It (put that song is some real ****, men).</div>

Thug Motivation 101 was the best of all-time albums??

 

[norespect]

<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why I think Wayne is good?

His flow is nice, has multiple flows on some tracks.

Wayne's Punchlines are nice, he always have that line that just makes me go back and be like wow I never even realized he was saying that.

Music you can bump to, like play loud in your car.

Has shown versatility in raps, makes the songs for the ladies, the street records, the sentimental records.

Typical reasons to why anybody would like a rapper.</div>

I don't enjoy his flow at all....and who the hell still pumps music in their car like that, you get garbage thrown at ur car for that in my area. I can honestly say the only hip hop albums from the last few years that i still listen to are "The Game - Documentary", "Gangstarr - The Ownerz", and Ems stuff. Ems newer stuff dosen't compare to his older stuff, but its still listenable, other then his singles. I hate how people now like Mobb Deep cause Infamous, and Hell On Earth were amazing albums, and should be listened to for anyone who likes East coast rap.
Most of todays rappers are only trying to sell albums (can u blame them?) so they are forced to come out with club hits, thats why true hip hop fans find it tought to find good new stuff. Stick with some underground stuff.

 

[B.e.]

<div class="quote_poster">norespect Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't enjoy his flow at all....and who the hell still pumps music in their car like that, you get garbage thrown at ur car for that in my area. I can honestly say the only hip hop albums from the last few years that i still listen to are "The Game - Documentary", "Gangstarr - The Ownerz", and Ems stuff. Ems newer stuff dosen't compare to his older stuff, but its still listenable, other then his singles. I hate how people now like Mobb Deep cause Infamous, and Hell On Earth were amazing albums, and should be listened to for anyone who likes East coast rap.
Most of todays rappers are only trying to sell albums (can u blame them?) so they are forced to come out with club hits, thats why true hip hop fans find it tought to find good new stuff. Stick with some underground stuff.</div>
Idk about in Canada, but in America we bump our music in our whips, and nobody is gonna throw anything at your car either.

 

[Chutney]

I still pump it. Doesn't even have to be rap, either.

 

[norespect]

<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I still pump it. Doesn't even have to be rap, either.</div>

<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Idk about in Canada, but in America we bump our music in our whips, and nobody is gonna throw anything at your car either.</div>

Seems pretty highschool to me. I like wearing headphones and puttin the volume up loud. Dosen't have to be hip hop? What else u gonna pump?
Rock? It would be like that scene in Old school where will ferrel is workin on his car....thats funny
Dude you live in brampton...you don't drive around, you park at a tim hortons.

 

[Chutney]

<div class="quote_poster">norespect Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Seems pretty highschool to me. I like wearing headphones and puttin the volume up loud. Dosen't have to be hip hop? What else u gonna pump?
Rock? It would be like that scene in Old school where will ferrel is workin on his car....thats funny
Dude you live in brampton...you don't drive around, you park at a tim hortons.</div>
Think of it as a big headphone then. Today it was raining, but my music was still loud even with the windows closed. It's not to show off or anything.

Rock, techno, bhangra. Most music sounds good with the volume loud.

I do live in Brampton. Anything important is reached by a highway. There's plenty of time spent driving.


btw Fresh, how would you rate "Stuntin' Like My Daddy" in comparison to other Lil Wayne songs. I'm praying that it was an anomaly.

 

[NTC]

<div class="quote_poster">Franchise4Ever Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Fact is something that can be proven. You can't prove that someone is boring, delivers weak, has confusing lyrics, etc.</div>

Yes you can. If some one delivers those things, then they've proven it, Lil' Wayne has proven he has all of those aspects I mentioned. I wouldnt just come in here and say them for no reason. I have nothing against the guy personally, I just dont like his music, because it is terrible. Wether you like it or not is completley different subject, like some guy on here said his favourite Album was a Lil' Jon album, now 99% of Hip-Hop enthusiasts will tell you Lil' Jon isnt a rapper, but he still likes it, so go figure.

It's like saying 50 Cent is a good freestyler, because he released a song that has "Freestyle" at the end of the title, but everyone who has seen him try, knows 50 Cent couldnt freestyle to save his life. Thats a fact, not an opinion.

Try and tell me Lil' Wayne sits on the same level as guys like Guru, Nas, Jay-Z, Rakim, Mos Def etc. All proven MC's.

I liked DREAM's comment the most, in that I could say Robert Swift is the greatest player the NBA has ever seen, now its my opinion yes, but we all know for a fact Robert Swift isnt the greatest player of all time.

 

[phunDamentalz]

<div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yes you can. If some one delivers those things, then they've proven it, Lil' Wayne has proven he has all of those aspects I mentioned. I wouldnt just come in here and say them for no reason. I have nothing against the guy personally, I just dont like his music, because it is terrible. Wether you like it or not is completley different subject, like some guy on here said his favourite Album was a Lil' Jon album, now 99% of Hip-Hop enthusiasts will tell you Lil' Jon isnt a rapper, but he still likes it, so go figure.

It's like saying 50 Cent is a good freestyler, because he released a song that has "Freestyle" at the end of the title, but everyone who has seen him try, knows 50 Cent couldnt freestyle to save his life. Thats a fact, not an opinion.

Try and tell me Lil' Wayne sits on the same level as guys like Guru, Nas, Jay-Z, Rakim, Mos Def etc. All proven MC's.

I liked DREAM's comment the most, in that I could say Robert Swift is the greatest player the NBA has ever seen, now its my opinion yes, but we all know for a fact Robert Swift isnt the greatest player of all time.</div>

uhh, you're wrong again dude. Music and basketball are different. Music is an art form, basketball is a SPORT - with numbers that say how good you are. It's true you can't say Robert Swift is the best all time because his numbers aren't there. But art or music does not have a number scheme to how "good" you are. The fact is that throughout history there have been artists that have been considered "bad" by a lot of people at the time, and then as time goes by have been considered "good". for example, Black Sabbath got terrible critical reviews when they came out, and are now considered to be the greatest heavy metal band - EVER. Also, Madonna was seen as bubblegum throwaway pop when she came out, now she is an icon of pop music. Hitchcock was not considered the best filmmaker back in the day, but now is regarded as the Master of suspense.

you cannot put a value judgment on art like that. it's ALL opinion.

seriously bro you keep coming with this argument about facts that is just plain WRONG. hit the textbooks before you come back with that argument. facts must be proven by SCIENTIFIC data, i.e. NUMBERS, not "most hip-hop purists would say he sucks" - that has proven nothing scientifically.

i personally have the same taste in hip-hop as you, but you need to learn what a real "fact" is.

 

[NTC]

So you're telling me Lil' Wayne is actually "the greatest rapper alive", because he claims he is, so I guess since there are no facts in music, you cant prove otherwise, right?

C'mon, do you understand how stupid your argument actually is? What you're saying is, if I were to come here, and say "Lil' Jon is the greatest rapper of all time, he has the BEST flow and lyricism out of any other rapper dead or alive. . ." then that would be correct, but, it is not correct, as Lil' Jon is 1. a producer, not a rapper and 2. all he ever says is "What!?" and "Yeah!!".

Opinions can be wrong, my opinion is that Lil' Wayne is a terrible rapper, correct, but its also a fact, because he doesnt live up to any of the standards set by the legends and innovaters of Hip-Hop such as Nas, Rakim, Jay-Z, Notorious B.I.G, Tupac, KRS-One etc. etc.

Here is an example of what I'm talking about, I just randomly picked this song, its called "Bring It Back" ft. Mannie Fresh:

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">[Lil Wayne]
Well, I'm fly as a son of gun son of a stunna
Yeah, high as a 757 goin to heaven
Who, Weezy F. ya reverend, preach about me
I'm the god, 1 - 7, Apple & E
I'm the Cash Money Mackeveli, yall ain't ready
Quick fast like Tom Petty, yall just petty
82 I was born ready, I'm too ready
I don't affiliate with baller blockers I'm to heavy
Meatball Lamborghini top spaghetti
Seats Ragu, 20 the shoe
Who me and you got plenty to do
I don't need no pool I swimming in you
And I sleep with the sharks shawty on that water water
And the Beamer ain't hundred-forty mama shake for me
And it don't make sense if it don't make that money
I'ma take that money, I'm straight Cash Money (young Ladies!!!)</div>

Now here is a segment by Guru (Gang Starr) from the song "JFK to LAX":

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yo they got me handcuffed, I'm down in central booking
Things are f*cked up, the way my future's looking
But I'm too fly, I'ma change this scenario
Make some power moves and tighten up my bankroll
Chumps are leary though, they see me as a threat
I'm like the black Dutch Schultz when you get me upset
Five-oh makes me wanna flip, Larry Davis style
Got a ***** depressed, while he's awaitin trial
It's OK though, cause from grey skies comes blue
Through darkness comes light and I be known as the Guru
And this I certify we all should be alerted by
the traps within the system, our youth is gettin murdered by
the D.A. says they got me on a felony
I'm tryin to live my life, so what the **** is you tellin me?
The streets are war, that's what brothers carry weapons for
And I take the weight as I did before
The next thing you know, they got me on the radio
A rapper arrested, suckers showin me on video
Of course I know, that I'm a role model
But yo this rap life is real life sometimes it's full throttle
Right now I gotta think about me **** the industry
You gets no love, except those who support me
What's the story, what happened when I went to L.A.?
Mixin **** up, no not there I got family
Nothin happened, mind your business yo step
You know we connect, JFK 2 LAX</div>

Now tell me Lil' Wayne's lyrics are as complex as that.

 

[Manhops23]

my favorite mainstream artist is 50 cent, Nas, Game. I used to like wayne before i saw him kissing baby on the mouth.

 

[phunDamentalz]

Ha ha - Lil Wayne's lyrics "don't need a pool cause i'm swimming in you" WTF????????????