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Lanny said:
Ah, I see, Flynn was too dumb to think of briefing an attorney and then bringing him to the meeting. This guy was a high ranking General and head of National Intelligence yet had no intelligence. How strange considering he was appointed by Trump. I hope he was at least a good yes man.
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You could call it that. I mean he was supposed to be the NSA Director. I guess he thought they were on the same team. Sad
 
magnifier661 said:
You could call it that. I mean he was supposed to be the NSA Director. I guess he thought they were on the same team. Sad
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There is no such thing as the same team unless you mean working to represent their country the best according to their job description and their oath of office.
 
Judge Sullivan expressed "disgust" at Flynn's lying twice...so assuming Flynn's plea reversal is a slam dunk is quite premature.
 
I am glad to see Obama come out the last two days with the gloves off over this......Trump is about to get schooled by a master orator leading into November....and Joe is hardly that. About time!
 
ABM said:
Never, with you around.
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magnifier661 said:
He wasn’t under oath sir.
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Do you have anything to back that up?
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't lie to the FBI whether under oath or not.

This from the Washington Post:

"Were his lies material, as required by the statute to which he pleaded guilty? Absolutely. For those of us who spent a professional lifetime as prosecutors and in the Justice Department, this is not a close call.

Had Flynn been asked his favorite ice cream flavor by FBI agents and told them it was vanilla when he preferred chocolate, that would be immaterial. But lying to the FBI about his conversation with a Russian diplomat, given his financial and other ties to Russia, in the wake of massive Russian interference in our 2016 election, and during an FBI counterintelligence investigation concerning Russia? That is material — plain and simple."

and

"...it might be helpful to make a partial list of those who seemingly thought Flynn’s lies were material just, as they say, for the record:
President Trump thought Flynn’s lies were material. He fired Flynn in 2017 for lying to Vice President Pence and tweeted that year that he “had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI.” White House chief of staff Reince Priebus, according to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s report, recalled that Trump was angry at Flynn for lying about the conversation he had with the Russian diplomat.

Vice President Pence thought Flynn’s lies were material, stating he knew at the time Flynn was fired that Flynn “lied to me” and that “the president made the right decision [to fire] him.” It seems that Flynn’s lies were material to Trump and Pence."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...people-who-thought-flynns-lies-were-material/
 
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Lanny said:
Do you have anything to back that up?
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't lie to the FBI whether under oath or not.

This from the Washington Post:

"Were his lies material, as required by the statute to which he pleaded guilty? Absolutely. For those of us who spent a professional lifetime as prosecutors and in the Justice Department, this is not a close call.

Had Flynn been asked his favorite ice cream flavor by FBI agents and told them it was vanilla when he preferred chocolate, that would be immaterial. But lying to the FBI about his conversation with a Russian diplomat, given his financial and other ties to Russia, in the wake of massive Russian interference in our 2016 election, and during an FBI counterintelligence investigation concerning Russia? That is material — plain and simple."

and

"...it might be helpful to make a partial list of those who seemingly thought Flynn’s lies were material just, as they say, for the record:
President Trump thought Flynn’s lies were material. He fired Flynn in 2017 for lying to Vice President Pence and tweeted that year that he “had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI.” White House chief of staff Reince Priebus, according to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s report, recalled that Trump was angry at Flynn for lying about the conversation he had with the Russian diplomat.

Vice President Pence thought Flynn’s lies were material, stating he knew at the time Flynn was fired that Flynn “lied to me” and that “the president made the right decision [to fire] him.” It seems that Flynn’s lies were material to Trump and Pence."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...people-who-thought-flynns-lies-were-material/
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Yes, I’m very certain he wasn’t under oath. The FBI even told Flynn he didn’t need his attorney. Since they were entrapping him, they wouldn’t tell him he was under oath. That would immediately get him to call the meeting off and wait for an attorney.
 
magnifier661 said:
Yes, I’m very certain he wasn’t under oath. The FBI even told Flynn he didn’t need his attorney. Since they were entrapping him, they wouldn’t tell him he was under oath. That would immediately get him to call the meeting off and wait for an attorney.
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He lied under oath twice...it's well documented if you want to see the real news about Flynn....he was also a general who swore an oath upon entering the service...you sign off on all sorts of civil rights when you join the military..military law isn't conducted like civilian law...although in Flynn's case he took two oaths before lying and admitted doing it....it got swept under the rug by yes man Barr
 
riverman said:
He lied under oath twice...it's well documented if you want to see the real news about Flynn....he was also a general who swore an oath upon entering the service...you sign off on all sorts of civil rights when you join the military..military law isn't conducted like civilian law...although in Flynn's case he took two oaths before lying and admitted doing it....it got swept under the rug by yes man Barr
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Show me the link where he “lied under oath.”
 
magnifier661 said:
Show me the link where he “lied under oath.”
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There are literally dozens of articles written about it with a simple google search mags, but you know that....I speak here after reading them...if you have any interest you'll read them...if you google the justification for your take on it...that's what you'll find. I'm not going to go Denny with the cut and paste debates...I read for an hour about it before dinner.....I'll comment here. If you want me to provide you with relevant reading material, that'll cost you around 500 bucks a session
 
riverman said:
There are literally dozens of articles written about it with a simple google search mags, but you know that....I speak here after reading them...if you have any interest you'll read them...if you google the justification for your take on it...that's what you'll find. I'm not going to go Denny with the cut and paste debates...I read for an hour about it before dinner.....I'll comment here. If you want me to provide you with relevant reading material, that'll cost you around 500 bucks a session
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Nope, there isn’t a single article where what Lanny claimed to say what happened. Flynn never, “lied to the FBI while under oath.” FAIL
 
If you lie to the FBI you don't have to be under oath...it's still a crime.
 
magnifier661 said:
Nope, there isn’t a single article where what Lanny claimed to say what happened. Flynn never, “lied to the FBI while under oath.” FAIL
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you are not telling the truth about Flynn..you may not realize it though...don't know what the Lanny reference is nor care.....I just read two more...and the court documents he signed are available when he admitted his lies. there's a failure here that is letting this guy off the hook....for election ammo...and that's all this is...snake oil
 
riverman said:
you are not telling the truth about Flynn....don't know what the Lanny reference is nor care.....I just read two more...and the court documents he signed are available when he admitted his lies. there's a failure here that is letting this guy off the hook....for election ammo...and that's all this is...snake oil
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Yup, the matter of sworn affidavits, if that's what you're referring to.
 
riverman said:
you are not telling the truth about Flynn..you may not realize it though...don't know what the Lanny reference is nor care.....I just read two more...and the court documents he signed are available when he admitted his lies. there's a failure here that is letting this guy off the hook....for election ammo...and that's all this is...snake oil
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Lol. I will repeat. The statement made by Lanny was, “Flynn lied to the FBI while under oath.” That is 100% false.
 
I will repeat, it doesn't matter if he was under oath or not.
 
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Nor does it look like it matters that the plea was made. Thanks for playing
 
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