FBI prevenst car bomb at Pioneer Courthouse Square

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fbi_thwarts_terrorist_bombing.html

 

[Natebishop3]

Terrorism is a myth.... right?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Fuck I was right there at that time.

x

 

[Natebishop3]

Fuck I was right there at that time.

x

They were trying to take you out.

 

[Entity]

" ... It's in Oregon; and Oregon, like, you know, nobody ever thinks about,"

This is exactly what I had thought up to this point. There are certainly more significant targets than Portland. But just like people lighting shoes or their underwear on the airplane, it's really about getting one to go through wherever you can.

 

[julius]

Terrorism is a myth.... right?

Not sure the point of your post there.

It's pretty scary that an event almost happened here, even though they say the public was "never in danger".

 

[jlprk]

No one says it's a myth that the Muslim world is up in arms against us for killing a million civilian Iraqis, and a half-million of their children before that from a decade of medical sanctions.

What critics say is that "terrorism" has never been defined. Laws like the Patriot Act allow government to spy on anyone who might be a "terrorist." Since those laws don't define the word, the word means everyone in the country, since the new laws also allow local FBI offices to wiretap without getting court approval.

It takes courage to buck the system. Every word on your cell phone, e-mails, and message boards are now searched by computers for key words and behavioral patterns, in order to prevent about 1 explosion per year, killing a small number of people every few years..."every few years" because in many of the annual acts prevented, it is shown later that they wouldn't have killed anyone, since the bomber was incompetent (e.g. using the wrong chemicals).

Get out of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and this will end. Before the US started provoking Muslims by killing and torturing them en masse, there was one similar event in this country, ever--it was against one of NYC's Twin Towers. Meanwhile, all Americans have lost our freedom of privacy, to save a couple of lives per year.

 

[hasoos]

No one says it's a myth that the Muslim world is up in arms against us for killing a million civilian Iraqis, and a half-million of their children before that from a decade of medical sanctions.

What critics say is that "terrorism" has never been defined. Laws like the Patriot Act allow government to spy on anyone who might be a "terrorist." Since those laws don't define the word, the word means everyone in the country, since the new laws also allow local FBI offices to wiretap without getting court approval.

It takes courage to buck the system. Every word on your cell phone, e-mails, and message boards are now searched by computers for key words and behavioral patterns, in order to prevent about 1 explosion per year, killing a small number of people every few years..."every few years" because in many of the annual acts prevented, it is shown later that they wouldn't have killed anyone, since the bomber was incompetent (e.g. using the wrong chemicals).

Get out of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and this will end. Before the US started provoking Muslims by killing and torturing them en masse, there was one similar event in this country, ever--it was against one of NYC's Twin Towers. Meanwhile, all Americans have lost our freedom of privacy, to save a couple of lives per year.

You are wrong. Terrorism was here before the wars, and will be here after. The reason terrorism was here before the wars is becuase of the Israeli-Palestinian situation, not the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. While they do help fuel some extremism, at the same time, they help get rid of them because many of them go to fight our forces in Afghanistan instead of here. Instead of igniting a car bomb somewhere they pick up a rifle and go fight our troops over there. Afghanistan is what I call a honey pot. The fight we have there, keeps many extremist bottled up there fighting instead of striking throughout the world.

 

[jlprk]

If you list the terrorist events in the US before the wars began, and list them after, you will find they occur ten times as often, if not more. And the multiplier is much higher if you compare before and after in the rest of the world.

It's simple. Just stop these evil wars. The majority of Americans have always said so. Even at the height of the media-inspired war mania, which was in the week before the Iraq war started, polls said that barely over 50% of Americans said they were in favor of war only if Bush got the UN to agree. He said he intended to do no such thing. The percentage of Americans in favor has, of course, steeply declined ever since.

 

[huevonkiller]

Ok, changing subjects a little bit:

I wonder how some of you here would deal with the terrorism of South America in the late 1980's, and early 1990's? Terrorism has always had a strong influence and a lot of power and not just from the middle-east (if not more power in South America). Sure it was not in the States but it was still close by.


That's daily terrorism, you can't go on the bus and parked cars can just suddenly explode. People with rifles point them at you in gas stations, and you better look like an urban worker. Colombia, Peru, etc. was crazy back then, and Colombia had the highest murder rate in the world. That guy in Scarface is a softy compared to reality; Pablo Esobar was a real tyrant. Narco-terrorism and El Sendero Luminoso blows this away. Thank God the government got aggressive with them. There's nothing like a terrorist war on your own soil to put things in perspective. There's a lot of chaos we need to be aware of, not just threats in the middle east. I feel like we forget about other important countries, and growing dissent.

 

[Natebishop3]

Not sure the point of your post there.

It's pretty scary that an event almost happened here, even though they say the public was "never in danger".

The point is that so many people, especially in this particular city, have questioned the motives and the methods of our government since 911, yet here is a prime example of the system getting the job done. How many other cases like this one go unreported?

If you list the terrorist events in the US before the wars began, and list them after, you will find they occur ten times as often, if not more. And the multiplier is much higher if you compare before and after in the rest of the world.

It's simple. Just stop these evil wars. The majority of Americans have always said so. Even at the height of the media-inspired war mania, which was in the week before the Iraq war started, polls said that barely over 50% of Americans said they were in favor of war only if Bush got the UN to agree. He said he intended to do no such thing. The percentage of Americans in favor has, of course, steeply declined ever since.

Yeah, those evil wars are the cause of all our troubles. We should stop them so the terrorists will leave us alone. If we leave the Middle East, all our troubles will stop, right?

 

[jlprk]

You didn't deny one detail in what you excerpted from my post.

Your little "crazy" icon isn't calling only the majority of Americans crazy. You also disagree with many of the troops in Iraq. A scientific poll was taken of them back in about 2005, and even at that early stage, 1/4 of American troops in Iraq already thought we should get out. No more polls allowed because of that, and I would think it's long since passed 1/2.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Ironically there were a bunch of anti wear protestors trying to ruin the night for the families too.

x

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ok, changing subjects a little bit:

I wonder how some of you here would deal with the terrorism of South America in the late 1980's, and early 1990's? Terrorism has always had a strong influence and a lot of power and not just from the middle-east (if not more power in South America). Sure it was not in the States but it was still close by.


That's daily terrorism, you can't go on the bus and parked cars can just suddenly explode. People with rifles point them at you in gas stations, and you better look like an urban worker. Colombia, Peru, etc. was crazy back then, and Colombia had the highest murder rate in the world. That guy in Scarface is a softy compared to reality; Pablo Esobar was a real tyrant. Narco-terrorism and El Sendero Luminoso blows this away. Thank God the government got aggressive with them. There's nothing like a terrorist war on your own soil to put things in perspective. There's a lot of chaos we need to be aware of, not just threats in the middle east. I feel like we forget about other important countries, and growing dissent.

I was in Columbia and about 20miles away from where Pablo Escobar the day it happened. Pretty damn crazy.

I was also in Venezuela the day of the presidential election of the last president before Chavez. There was like 30 candidates, the army has one, teachers have one, even postal workers have a candidate for president. Anyway the day before the election the head of the army goes on TV and tells the country that they know their candidate is the best and if he doesn't win it will be proof that there was massive fraud at the polls so they will just put him into office by force. Then the morning of the election Clinton comes on Venezuelan TV and says he will land the marines if the Venezuelan army tries to put their candidate in office by force.

Good times!

 

[huevonkiller]

I was in Columbia and about 20miles away from where Pablo Escobar the day it happened. Pretty damn crazy.

I was also in Venezuela the day of the presidential election of the last president before Chavez. There was like 30 candidates, the army has one, teachers have one, even postal workers have a candidate for president. Anyway the day before the election the head of the army goes on TV and tells the country that they know their candidate is the best and if he doesn't win it will be proof that there was massive fraud at the polls so they will just put him into office by force. Then the morning of the election Clinton comes on Venezuelan TV and says he will land the marines if the Venezuelan army tries to put their candidate in office by force.

Good times!

Lol that's awesome!

Glad to see Clinton stepped up.

 

[MARIS61]

Proof positive that HSA has been reading your emails for several years now with no warrant. And they've tracked all your phone calls, maybe even filed some illegal recordings of them if they were juicy.

As far as this kid goes, the whole case sounds like they enlisted and groomed this guy for the role of stooge in a "terrorist plot" planned and directed wholly by the Homeland Security Dept and the FBI. Without their persistent involvement, no crime would have ever occurred.

Convenient timing to quiet the TSA grope and ogle fiasco, don't you think?

 

[Haakzilla]

Proof positive that HSA has been reading your emails for several years now with no warrant. And they've tracked all your phone calls, maybe even filed some illegal recordings of them if they were juicy.

As far as this kid goes, the whole case sounds like they enlisted and groomed this guy for the role of stooge in a "terrorist plot" planned and directed wholly by the Homeland Security Dept and the FBI. Without their persistent involvement, no crime would have ever occurred.

Convenient timing to quiet the TSA grope and ogle fiasco, don't you think?

You are onto something Maris...

Clueless Patsy Set-up by FBI in Christmas Tree Bombing Plot

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
November 27, 2010

They not only hate us for our freedom, but also for our Christmas trees – or at least that’s what the FBI and cops in Oregon would have you believe.

“The FBI thwarted an attempted terrorist bombing in Portland’s Pioneer Courthouse Square before the city’s annual tree-lighting Friday night, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Oregon,” The Oregonian reports. “A Corvallis man, thinking he was going to ignite a bomb, drove a van to the corner of the square at Southwest Yamhill Street and Sixth Avenue and attempted to detonate it.”

Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19, a Somali-born U.S. citizen, had a little help from the FBI. “The arrest was the culmination of a long-term undercover operation, during which Mohamud had been monitored for months as his alleged bomb plot developed.”

In a repeat of a now familiar pattern, the FBI told Mohamud they were building the bomb. They went so far as to travel to a remote spot in Lincoln County, Oregon, where a bomb concealed in a backpack was detonated as a trial run for the upcoming Christmas tree attack. The FBI eagerly assisted their clueless mark when he decided to shoot a video explaining his half-witted act.

Mohamud and the FBI operative agreed to meet in Portland where Mohamud allegedly told the FBI operative that he had written articles that were published in Jihad Recollections, an online magazine that advocated holy war against American infidels and assorted Christmas revelers.

Mr. Mohmud’s mentally disturbed fantasy fueled by the FBI is reminiscent of the Christmas Day non-bombing attributed to Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab who it is said planned to take down an airliner over Detroit in spectacular fashion by igniting his underwear.

According to the FBI affidavit, Mohamud’s absurd bomb plot began in August 2009 when he contacted by email an unknown associate overseas said to be involved in terrorist activities. In December 2009, while the mysterious associate was in a frontier province of Pakistan, Mohamud and the associate discussed the possibility of Mohamud traveling to Pakistan to participate in violent jihad.

Pakistan’s intelligence service, the ISI, is notorious for creating and running jihad terrorists groups under the supervision of the CIA. In late 2009, General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, the general director of the ISI, presented CIA boss Leon E. Panetta with “some highly classified and irrefutable evidence” that the mega-snoop agency is involved in creating and running supposed terror groups in Pakistan. “The proof about instances of covert US support to some hardened militant outfits and terrorist activities they carried out over the past few weeks and months were presented to Panetta,” writes Zahid Malik for the Pakistan Observer.

The CIA effort to construct a Muslim terrorist archetype emerged following the Soviet-Afghan war, a multi-billion dollar effort that was part of a CIA covert agenda initiated during the Carter administration by then national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski. The CIA operative Osama bin Laden, aka Tim Osman, would serve as a model for all Islamic terrorists and demented suicide bombers to come. It is interesting to note that Mr. Mohamud’s middle name is Osman.

Mohamud was clueless right up until the moment he pressed a button on his cell phone. He thought this would blow up the Portland Christmas tree and kill infidels, but instead it brought in the cops. “Yelling ‘Allahu Akbar!’ – Arabic for ‘God is great!’ — Mohamud tried to kick agents and police after he was taken into custody, according to prosecutors,” reports the Independent Online.

“Mohamud, a naturalized US citizen living in Corvallis, was charged with attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison. A court appearance was set for Monday. Few details were available about him late Friday.”

“The threat was very real,” said Arthur Balizan, special agent in charge of the FBI in Oregon. “Our investigation shows that Mohamud was absolutely committed to carrying out an attack on a very grand scale.”

There is no shortage of psycho nut cases absolutely committed to maiming and killing large numbers of people. Very few of them, however, are particularly useful for a government determined to keep the terrorist swindle going for as long as possible. The Global War On Terror mill needs a constant stream of patsies and dim wits to keep the charade in motion.

It takes a special kind of patsy. One capable of actually deluding himself into believing there are jihadists in Pakistan who believe blowing up a Christmas tree makes logistical sense in the war against the Great Satan. One stupid enough to believe FBI agents are Islamic terrorists and the chimera known as al-Qaeda is actually a global terror organization and not a ruse named after a Mujahideen database.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

No disrespect to Travis Outlaw.......

But am I the only one who notices an eerily resemblance between Outlaw and the would-be bomber? Dude looks like Travis with lots of hair.

 

[Denny Crane]

No one says it's a myth that the Muslim world is up in arms against us for killing a million civilian Iraqis, and a half-million of their children before that from a decade of medical sanctions.

What critics say is that "terrorism" has never been defined. Laws like the Patriot Act allow government to spy on anyone who might be a "terrorist." Since those laws don't define the word, the word means everyone in the country, since the new laws also allow local FBI offices to wiretap without getting court approval.

It takes courage to buck the system. Every word on your cell phone, e-mails, and message boards are now searched by computers for key words and behavioral patterns, in order to prevent about 1 explosion per year, killing a small number of people every few years..."every few years" because in many of the annual acts prevented, it is shown later that they wouldn't have killed anyone, since the bomber was incompetent (e.g. using the wrong chemicals).

Get out of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and this will end. Before the US started provoking Muslims by killing and torturing them en masse, there was one similar event in this country, ever--it was against one of NYC's Twin Towers. Meanwhile, all Americans have lost our freedom of privacy, to save a couple of lives per year.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

“We don’t do body counts”
General Tommy Franks
IRAQ BODY COUNT
Documented civilian deaths from violence
98,876 – 107,938

Latest incidents Latest identified
Nov 04: 3-4 by bomb in al-Salman, Shirqat Details Mohammed Hamil Adult; Male; Awakening Council member Details
Recent events
Thursday 25 November: 9 killed
Baghdad: 1 policeman by AED.
Tal Afar: 3 by IED.
Kirkuk: 3 by IED.
Baaj: 1 tailor by grenade.
Baquba: 1 body found.
More

 

[MARIS61]

Ironically there were a bunch of anti wear protestors trying to ruin the night for the families too.

x

They prefer the term "nudists"/

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I went to the Blazer game and took max from pioneer place. I was there about 6:45 (late because cathcing the duck game) but he tried to blow the bomb up at around 6:00 PM which is usually when I am at that stop for Blazers games.

He thought he was blowing up 6 55 gallon drums and wanted to kill as many people as possible including woman and children. Thank god he was also an idiot. What scares me are the kids with this menatility that are smart.

I hope the gov't is out there reading every email and listening to every phone call, if that is what it takes to weed these fuckers out.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You know, I was getting a shoe shine at nordstroms at about 5pm and the guy said that Trimet was stopping max service right in front of Pioneer courthouse square for an hour or so..which was weird because they hadn't previous years of the Christmas tree lighting.

wonder if they were let in on some of the intelligence.

 

[KingSpeed]

No disrespect to Travis Outlaw.......

But am I the only one who notices an eerily resemblance between Outlaw and the would-be bomber? Dude looks like Travis with lots of hair.

Yes, he does look like Travis.

 

[Haakzilla]

I hope the gov't is out there reading every email and listening to every phone call, if that is what it takes to weed these fuckers out.

...this is truly sad that you think this way, along with the majority of the other misinformed and ignorant Americans that are out there

 

[jlprk]

“We don’t do body counts”
General Tommy Franks
IRAQ BODY COUNT
DOCUMENTED civilian deaths from violence
98,876 – 107,938

...Who's doing the documenting? All previous wars made the body count public, in fact bragged about it, to show the war was being won. Nowadays, cowards Bush and Obama know they've done evil, so they keep it secret. So we must rely upon estimates as of a couple of years ago, made by surveying households, not by "documenting" (= summing the few deaths reported in the government-controlled media).

1,220,580 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties

654,965 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties

Edit: To those old Iraq estimates, add the deaths of the last 2-3 years. Add Afghanistan for all years.

 

[MARIS61]

I went to the Blazer game and took max from pioneer place. I was there about 6:45 (late because cathcing the duck game) but he tried to blow the bomb up at around 6:00 PM which is usually when I am at that stop for Blazers games.

He thought he was blowing up 6 55 gallon drums and wanted to kill as many people as possible including woman and children. Thank god he was also an idiot. What scares me are the kids with this menatility that are smart.

I hope the gov't is out there reading every email and listening to every phone call, if that is what it takes to weed these fuckers out.

You seriously need to find a different country to live in, because that's the most un-American (and cowardly) statement I've seen in a long time.

 

[MARIS61]

Wow!

I was out deer hunting last month and I walked past a tree that had been split in half by lightning at some point in the past.

That's a closer brush with death than anyone had at Pioneer square.

 

[andalusian]

I was out deer hunting last month and I walked past a tree that had been split in half by lightning at some point in the past.

That's a closer brush with death than anyone had at Pioneer square.

I guess that deer are happy that you are such a lousy shot, then!

 

[Denny Crane]

...Who's doing the documenting? All previous wars made the body count public, in fact bragged about it, to show the war was being won. Nowadays, cowards Bush and Obama know they've done evil, so they keep it secret. So we must rely upon estimates as of a couple of years ago, made by surveying households, not by "documenting" (= summing the few deaths reported in the government-controlled media).

1,220,580 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties

654,965 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties

Edit: To those old Iraq estimates, add the deaths of the last 2-3 years. Add Afghanistan for all years.

Iraq Body Count includes the documented deaths. Like bodies taken to the morgue are counted.

Unlike the other surveys that interviewed families who had people flee to surrounding countries.

And the likely body count you can attribute to our military is on the order of 10,000 - all in the first few weeks. From the time the occupation started, versus killing Saddam's army, it was muslims killing muslims in Iraq.

 

[Haakzilla]

muslims killing muslims in Iraq.

...oh, well in that case, it is all good then!