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This is an interesting graphic I came across tonight:

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Are the people of Gaza working on a Coriander and Chicken Missile?

barfo
 
John Stewart on the Daily Show had the best explanation yet for this mess,

The people on the boats didn't mean to attack the soldiers with sticks and bats, they thought the helicopters were lowering commando shaped pinatas.
 
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Good points here:
But even more important, why did Israel even have to resort to blockade? Because, blockade is Israel's fallback as the world systematically de-legitimizes its traditional ways of defending itself -- forward and active defense.

(1) Forward defense: As a small, densely populated country surrounded by hostile states, Israel had, for its first half-century, adopted forward defense -- fighting wars on enemy territory (such as the Sinai and Golan Heights) rather than its own.

Where possible (Sinai, for example) Israel has traded territory for peace. But where peace offers were refused, Israel retained the territory as a protective buffer zone. Thus Israel retained a small strip of southern Lebanon to protect the villages of northern Israel. And it took many losses in Gaza, rather than expose Israeli border towns to Palestinian terror attacks. It is for the same reason America wages a grinding war in Afghanistan: You fight them there, so you don't have to fight them here.

But under overwhelming outside pressure, Israel gave it up. The Israelis were told the occupations were not just illegal but at the root of the anti-Israel insurgencies -- and therefore withdrawal, by removing the cause, would bring peace.

Land for peace. Remember? Well, during the past decade, Israel gave the land -- evacuating South Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza in 2005. What did it get? An intensification of belligerency, heavy militarization of the enemy side, multiple kidnappings, cross-border attacks and, from Gaza, years of unrelenting rocket attack.

(2) Active defense: Israel then had to switch to active defense -- military action to disrupt, dismantle and defeat (to borrow President Obama's description of our campaign against the Taliban and al-Qaeda) the newly armed terrorist mini-states established in southern Lebanon and Gaza after Israel withdrew.

The result? The Lebanon war of 2006 and Gaza operation of 2008-09. They were met with yet another avalanche of opprobrium and calumny by the same international community that had demanded the land-for-peace Israeli withdrawals in the first place. Worse, the U.N. Goldstone report, which essentially criminalized Israel's defensive operation in Gaza while whitewashing the casus belli -- the preceding and unprovoked Hamas rocket war -- effectively de-legitimized any active Israeli defense against its self-declared terror enemies.

(3) Passive defense: Without forward or active defense, Israel is left with but the most passive and benign of all defenses -- a blockade to simply prevent enemy rearmament. Yet, as we speak, this too is headed for international de-legitimation. Even the United States is now moving toward having it abolished.

But, if none of these is permissible, what's left?
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Forward defense???

Yes, I killed my neighbors and raped their wives tonight. It was forward defense. After all, I have a right to defend myself, don't I?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Forward defense???

Yes, I killed my neighbors and raped their wives tonight. It was forward defense. After all, I have a right to defend myself, don't I?
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If they were planning on (and, had ANNOUNCED it) burning down your house and raping the bodies of your children, yes.

Ed O.
 
barfo said:
This is an interesting graphic I came across tonight:

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Are the people of Gaza working on a Coriander and Chicken Missile?

barfo
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How many of those things could I bring into Canada or Mexico from the US? Or vice-versa?

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
How many of those things could I bring into Canada or Mexico from the US? Or vice-versa?

Ed O.
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I don't know, how many? And, are the restrictions for the same reasons?

Coriander, ginger, nutmeg: pretty hard to imagine these are banned from import.
Canned fruit, dried fruit: maybe?
Fresh meat: I could imagine this might be banned due to pest worries.
Seeds and nuts: maybe?
Fishing rods, ropes for fishing: doesn't seem likely somehow
Fabric for clothing: hard to imagine, unless it was hemp
Chicken hatcheries, chickens: possible health ban
Donkeys, horses, goats, cattle: same
Musical instruments: uh, no.
Newspapers: uh, no.
Wood for construction: no, unless it was a trade tariff


barfo
 
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Everything is banned and then exceptions are made. If nobody tried to bring in fishing poles or chicken hatcheries, they'd still be on the banned list.
 
Hey I know.

Lets just let Gaza rot for another 100 years and maybe this will all blow over.
 
Denny Crane said:
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0610/Thomas_gets_dropped_by_agency.html

Categories: White House
Thomas gets dropped by agency

Nine Speakers, the agency that represents Helen Thomas, has dropped her as a client. This comes in the wake of controversial remarks on the Middle East.

The notice, obtained by POLITICO:

It is with a heavy heart that Nine Speakers, Inc. announces its resignation as the agent for Helen Thomas, Dean of the White House Press Corps.

Ms. Thomas has had an esteemed career as a journalist, and she has been a trailblazer for women, helping others in her profession, and beyond.

However, in light of recent events, Nine Speakers is no longer able to represent Ms. Thomas, nor can we condone her comments on the Middle East.

Nine Speakers will continue to enthusiastically represent all of our other current and future clients.
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Behind closed doors, they told her, "you're not supposed to say what all us reporters really believe -- out loud!"
 
http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0610/Helen_Thomas_retires.html

Helen Thomas retires

In the world of political journalism, it's the end of an era: Helen Thomas has retired just months shy of her 90th birthday.

The longtime White House journalist has covered every president since Dwight Eisenhower and broke several barriers for female journalists but stepped down from her latest role -- a columnist for Hearst Newspapers -- in the wake of controversial remarks made in late May about the need for Jews to "get the hell out of Palestine" and return to Poland and Germany.

"Helen Thomas announced Monday that she is retiring, effective immediately," read a statement from Hearst Newspapers on Monday. "Her decision came after her controversial comments about Israel and the Palestinians were captured on videotape and widely disseminated on the Internet."

Thomas said in a statement that, "I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians. They do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon.’’

The decision to retire came as Thomas faced rebuke from nearly every corner after video of her remarks during an interview with RabbiLive.com's Rabbi David Nesenoff emerged online late last week.

"Those remarks were offensive and reprehensible," Gibbs said during the Monday briefing, adding that Thomas's remarks "do not reflect certainly most of the people here and certainly not those of the administration." Thomas did not attend Monday's briefing and journalists, perhaps sensing the closing of an era, were spotted taking pictures of Thomas' empty front row.

Over the weekend, Thomas' agency dropped her as a client and a high school that had asked Thomas to speak at its commencement ceremony revoked the invitation. Such political bigwigs as Dana Perino, Ari Fleischer, Rep. Rick Lazio, Lanny Davis and Joe Lockhart denounced Thomas' remarks, as did many Jewish organizations.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0610/Helen_Thomas_retires.html

Helen Thomas retires

In the world of political journalism, it's the end of an era: Helen Thomas has retired just months shy of her 90th birthday.

The longtime White House journalist has covered every president since Dwight Eisenhower and broke several barriers for female journalists but stepped down from her latest role -- a columnist for Hearst Newspapers -- in the wake of controversial remarks made in late May about the need for Jews to "get the hell out of Palestine" and return to Poland and Germany.

"Helen Thomas announced Monday that she is retiring, effective immediately," read a statement from Hearst Newspapers on Monday. "Her decision came after her controversial comments about Israel and the Palestinians were captured on videotape and widely disseminated on the Internet."

Thomas said in a statement that, "I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians. They do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon.’’

The decision to retire came as Thomas faced rebuke from nearly every corner after video of her remarks during an interview with RabbiLive.com's Rabbi David Nesenoff emerged online late last week.

"Those remarks were offensive and reprehensible," Gibbs said during the Monday briefing, adding that Thomas's remarks "do not reflect certainly most of the people here and certainly not those of the administration." Thomas did not attend Monday's briefing and journalists, perhaps sensing the closing of an era, were spotted taking pictures of Thomas' empty front row.

Over the weekend, Thomas' agency dropped her as a client and a high school that had asked Thomas to speak at its commencement ceremony revoked the invitation. Such political bigwigs as Dana Perino, Ari Fleischer, Rep. Rick Lazio, Lanny Davis and Joe Lockhart denounced Thomas' remarks, as did many Jewish organizations.
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About twenty years overdue. That lady is nuttier than a fruitcake.
 
barfo said:
That's the sort of message a 6 year old sends. "I hate you mommy! I hate you! You are so mean to me!"

barfo
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Exactly.

With nearly identical madmen at the helm, it's hard to tell Israel from North Korea these days.
 
MARIS61 said:
Exactly.

With nearly identical madmen at the helm, it's hard to tell Israel from North Korea these days.
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Sometimes you post things that are patently absurd. Israel is a social democracy, with elected leaders, and they take pretty good care of their citizens. N. Korea is not a social democracy, nor does it take care of its citizens, nor are they good actors AT ALL on the world stage.

Why don't you just come out and say what you think Israel should do.
 
Denny Crane said:
Sometimes you post things that are patently absurd. Israel is a social democracy, with elected leaders, and they take pretty good care of their citizens. N. Korea is not a social democracy, nor does it take care of its citizens, nor are they good actors AT ALL on the world stage.

Why don't you just come out and say what you think Israel should do.
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They, and everybody else, should live by The Golden Rule.
 
MARIS61 said:
They, and everybody else, should live by The Golden Rule.
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Do unto others is fine until those others attack you with overwhelming military force.

As a social democracy, Israel has elected left wing and right wing governments, all in a futile attempt to have peace with the Palestinians.
 
I view Israel as more of a fundamentalist theocracy than any sort of democracy.

Kind of like America was under Reagan.
 
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