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MARIS61 said:
Pure fiction. What you support is the dissolution of 200 years of advancement in worker's civil rights. What you don't support is the existence of countries or governments.

But this is our country, and we are a self-governed society. Continually pretending that our laws don't exist or that the world's population was born with an inherent right to invade and pillage our country "just because" is pathetic and boringly inane.

No employer who employs illegal aliens can threaten to call INS as a form of coercion against illegal aliens. He or she would be ridiculed for such an empty threat. Any illegal who works one hour for sub-minimum wage could actually blackmail the employer for using the threat.

The penalties for employing illegals and/or paying ANYONE less than minimum wage are far greater than any non-enforced illegal immigration law .
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I'm not an anarchist.

You can pretend what I "believe" all you want. It doesn't make it right.

But you obviously believe there are tens of millions of people here pillaging or something. I see it occasionally during riots, but those look like "real americans" (HA HA) to me.

I'm the one that favors giving these people the right to work at wages per our laws or that are even better as negotiated. You want to take it away from them.

You're not a real american. You're a canadian. You turned your back on your people. Blah blah.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm not worried about the lack of water. Nor am I worried about someone with not-white skin somehow harming me.

This country was built on unfettered immigration
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Oh BS. Read the history, it has been controlled for many many years. My dad came through Ellis Island, very tightly controlled. Many were stamped return to sender.
 
MARIS61 said:
You are completely ignorant of American history, particularly how it was "built".
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Throwing around the word "ignorant" now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_immigration_to_the_United_States

Middle colonies[edit]
Maryland, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Delaware formed the middle colonies. Pennsylvania was settled byQuakers from Britain, followed by Ulster Scots (Northern Ireland) on the frontier and numerous German Protestant sects, including the German Palatines. The earlier colony of New Sweden had small settlements on the lower Delaware River, with immigrants of Swedes and Finns. These colonies were absorbed by 1676.[8]

The middle colonies' settlements were scattered west of New York City (established 1626; taken over by the English in 1664) and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (established 1682). The Dutch-started colony of New York had the most eclectic collection of residents from many different nations and prospered as a major trading and commercial center after about 1700. The Pennsylvania colonial center was dominated by the Quakers for decades after they emigrated, mainly from the North Midlands of England, from about 1680 to 1725. The main commercial center of Philadelphia was run mostly by prosperous Quakers, supplemented by many small farming and trading communities with a strong German contingent located in several small towns in the Delaware River valley.[9]

Starting in about 1680, when Pennsylvania was founded, many more settlers arrived in the middle colonies. Many Protestant sects were encouraged to settle there by freedom of religion and good, cheap land. Their point of origin was about 60% British and 33% German. By 1780, in New York, about 27% of the population were descendants of Dutch settlers, about 6% were black and the rest were mostly English with a wide mixture of other Europeans. New Jersey and Delaware had a majority of British with 7-11% German-descended colonists, about 6% black population, and a small contingent of Swedish descendants of New Sweden. Nearly all were at least third-generation natives.
 
Denny Crane said:
There was no "legal" or "illegal" migration here for thousands of years. It's only a racist recent thing to build fences to keep people out.
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There was no indoor plumbing for thousands of years. It's only a racist thing to not shit on the ground.
 
MarAzul said:
Oh BS. Read the history, it has been controlled for many many years. My dad came through Ellis Island, very tightly controlled. Many were stamped return to sender.
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http://sydaby.eget.net/swe/ellis_island.htm

Though relatively few immigrants who landed at Ellis Island were denied entry, the 2% that were excluded often equaled over a thousand people a month during peak immigration years.
 
MarAzul said:
Ha! Sound like a DNC talking point! Utterly mindless.
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Who was here before immigration began in the 1600s? Not people who made this country.

No talking point, just obvious truth.
 
Denny Crane said:
Throwing around the word "ignorant" now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_immigration_to_the_United_States

Middle colonies[edit]
Maryland, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Delaware formed the middle colonies. Pennsylvania was settled byQuakers from Britain, followed by Ulster Scots (Northern Ireland) on the frontier and numerous German Protestant sects, including the German Palatines. The earlier colony of New Sweden had small settlements on the lower Delaware River, with immigrants of Swedes and Finns. These colonies were absorbed by 1676.[8]

The middle colonies' settlements were scattered west of New York City (established 1626; taken over by the English in 1664) and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (established 1682). The Dutch-started colony of New York had the most eclectic collection of residents from many different nations and prospered as a major trading and commercial center after about 1700. The Pennsylvania colonial center was dominated by the Quakers for decades after they emigrated, mainly from the North Midlands of England, from about 1680 to 1725. The main commercial center of Philadelphia was run mostly by prosperous Quakers, supplemented by many small farming and trading communities with a strong German contingent located in several small towns in the Delaware River valley.[9]

Starting in about 1680, when Pennsylvania was founded, many more settlers arrived in the middle colonies. Many Protestant sects were encouraged to settle there by freedom of religion and good, cheap land. Their point of origin was about 60% British and 33% German. By 1780, in New York, about 27% of the population were descendants of Dutch settlers, about 6% were black and the rest were mostly English with a wide mixture of other Europeans. New Jersey and Delaware had a majority of British with 7-11% German-descended colonists, about 6% black population, and a small contingent of Swedish descendants of New Sweden. Nearly all were at least third-generation natives.
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No more relevant than any other historical era that occurred before The United States of America came to be. Immigration has been tightly regulated for over 200 years now.

So, you think you would have liked New Britain. The people living in it found it so repressive that they rebelled and formed The United States of America.

I get that you'd like to live like they did back in the medieval ages (as long as you were born into the right family) but most people like the advancements we've made by forming a government that outlaws slavery and offers minimum protection at least against slavery and abuse.
 
MARIS61 said:
No more relevant than any other historical era that occurred before The United States of America came to be. Immigration has been tightly regulated for over 200 years now.

So, you think you would have liked New Britain. The people living in it found it so repressive that they rebelled and formed The United States of America.

I get that you'd like to live like they did back in the medieval ages (as long as you were born into the right family) but most people like the advancements we've made by forming a government that outlaws slavery and offers minimum protection at least against slavery and abuse.
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The first immigration law was RACIST and in 1882. 100 years after the nation was founded.

See the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ation_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States

After the immigration of 123,000 Chinese in the 1870s, who joined the 105,000 who had immigrated between 1850 and 1870, Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882 which targeted a single ethnic group by specifically limiting further Chinese immigration. Chinese had immigrated to the Western United States as a result of unsettled conditions in China, the availability of jobs working on railroads, and the Gold Rush that was going on at that time in California. The xenophobic "Yellow Peril" expression became popular to justify racism against Asians.

The act excluded Chinese laborers from immigrating to the United States for ten years and was the first immigration law passed by Congress.
 
So it's agreed, we invade Canada and Mexico!
 
So, if you don't agree with the court shouldn't you want the court abolished? If you think the right to move across borders freely trumps our laws, why have the court?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
We have enough Californians here.
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Ha! There are 50 homes in my neighborhood, about half from California, about a third from all over the place, South Africa, Kenya, Germany, England, Denmark, Korea and one lady from Japan.
I can only think of two other families from Oregon other than my wife and I.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
So, if you don't agree with the court shouldn't you want the court abolished? If you think the right to move across borders freely trumps our laws, why have the court?
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No, I don't want the court abolished. The court is the normal appeals court, not some special court related to immigration laws.

It will end up at the Supreme Court, just not before the next president takes office.

For all republicans' bashing of Obama, "illegal" immigration is at its lowest in 20 years and about 1M fewer immigrants are still here.
 
There are more jobs in Mexico. I am not speaking of a special immigration court.

We have laws.
We have elected officials elected to make new laws and enforce current laws.
We have a system of government that dictates how laws are determined and if they have been written properly.

If you say that this issue is outside of our laws then why should anyone follow any law they disagree with?

I could pretty much take anything I want from 95 percent of our population through force, I don't refrain from that because my instincts tell me not to. I don't do it because it is illegal. Why should others get to do whatever they want?
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
There are more jobs in Mexico. I am not speaking of a special immigration court.

We have laws.
We have elected officials elected to make new laws and enforce current laws.
We have a system of government that dictates how laws are determined and if they have been written properly.

If you say that this issue is outside of our laws then why should anyone follow any law they disagree with?

I could pretty much take anything I want from 95 percent of our population through force, I don't refrain from that because my instincts tell me not to. I don't do it because it is illegal. Why should others get to do whatever they want?
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It appears the people of Baltimore are in the process of seeing how they like the system where anything goes.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
There are more jobs in Mexico. I am not speaking of a special immigration court.

We have laws.
We have elected officials elected to make new laws and enforce current laws.
We have a system of government that dictates how laws are determined and if they have been written properly.

If you say that this issue is outside of our laws then why should anyone follow any law they disagree with?

I could pretty much take anything I want from 95 percent of our population through force, I don't refrain from that because my instincts tell me not to. I don't do it because it is illegal. Why should others get to do whatever they want?
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We have lots of laws that are bullshit that aren't enforced. This one is no more important than those that aren't enforced.

If you ever drive 56 in a 55 MPH zone, you're breaking the law. The cops should pull everyone doing 56 over and ticket them, right? They're breaking the law!

(I don't think so)
 
And the median income in Mexico is $4500/year. That means half the people make more than that, and half make less.

Plenty of jobs. Good paying ones, right?
 
Denny Crane said:
No, I don't want the court abolished. The court is the normal appeals court, not some special court related to immigration laws.

It will end up at the Supreme Court, just not before the next president takes office.

For all republicans' bashing of Obama, "illegal" immigration is at its lowest in 20 years and about 1M fewer immigrants are still here.
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LOL.

Oregon has roughly 90,000 unemployed job seekers, while roughly 120,000 illegal aliens are currently employed in Oregon.

The US has roughly 8 million unemployed jobseekers, while roughly 10 million illegal aliens are currently employed in the US.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-aliens-taking-u-s-jobs
 
MARIS61 said:
LOL.

Oregon has roughly 90,000 unemployed job seekers, while roughly 120,000 illegal aliens are currently employed in Oregon.

The US has roughly 8 million unemployed jobseekers, while roughly 10 million illegal aliens are currently employed in the US.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-aliens-taking-u-s-jobs
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There are 34,000+ jobs in Oregon listed on Indeed.com alone.

I see you're complaining about the brown skinned folks having jobs that the white skinned ones should take instead, right?
 
Denny Crane said:
And the median income in Mexico is $4500/year. That means half the people make more than that, and half make less.

Plenty of jobs. Good paying ones, right?
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When you figure the cost of living in Mexico is a tiny fraction of living in the US, so cheap that Americans retire there in large numbers, yes.
 
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