Felton and Crawford's shooting %

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B-Roy said:
That's a piss poor excuse for the guards, but nice try.
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No worries, I'm not the one upset to no end on their performance. I like knowing that these guards, that were notorious for lackluster D, are now playing some of the best D in PDX. I will trade guard D for higher % shots any day of the week. We went from being one of the worst perimeter defending teams last season to one of the best this season. I like where we are heading.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Now you've got me saying "huh."

Zero correlation with the argument.
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Has 100% of my original response. Saying Felton and Crawford use a lot of their energy on the defensive end; which effects their game. Saying they aren't like Wallace; who can spend considerable amount of energy defensively; yet still give you good offensive production. Basically, that type of player is a very rare breed.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Yeah "less concerned" as in "hide your women and children" when Crawford is shooting and just "cover your eyes" when Felton is guessing on his layups (the three point % I've got no defense for, he shouldn't be this bad). I'm certainly not "happy" with Felton's regression when it comes to finishing, I just think it's something that should (could?) improve as his conditioning gets better and as he settles in. At least he's got the right idea, even if the execution is mostly crap right now.
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Well, Crawford is drawing more free throws than Felton, and his PER is 15, whereas Felton's PER is south of 10.
 
magnifier661 said:
No worries, I'm not the one upset to no end on their performance. I like knowing that these guards, that were notorious for lackluster D, are now playing some of the best D in PDX. I will trade guard D for higher % shots any day of the week. We went from being one of the worst perimeter defending teams last season to one of the best this season. I like where we are heading.
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B-Roy and Nik's concerns don't appear to be Felton/Crawford's FG% itself so much as the quantity and quality of the shots that they're taking. If they don't have the legs for great outside shooting because they're expending so much energy on the defensive end, that's fine, and that could be a valid and legitimate explanation for the poor percentage, but that doesn't explain or excuse their poor shot selection or their propensity to call their own number so often.

If they don't have the energy to take/make good shots, then they need to be looking to create shots for others rather than for themselves.
 
magnifier661 said:
Has 100% of my original response. Saying Felton and Crawford use a lot of their energy on the defensive end; which effects their game. Saying they aren't like Wallace; who can spend considerable amount of energy defensively; yet still give you good offensive production. Basically, that type of player is a very rare breed.
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Yes. Gerald Wallace is a great two-way player which has absolutely nothing to do with Felton and Jamal's struggles. Here's why I don't buy this.

Felton has always been an "active" player on defense (if not a good one) and still managed to shoot around 42% and play a much more efficient brand of basketball on offense, why he looks so out of control on drives and is struggling to finish is anybody's guess, but I'm wagering that it has something to do with still not being in shape.

Crawford has never been much of a defensive player, but he's not exactly wearing himself out guarding people this year either. He's shooting more poorly this year than at any point in his career and the only thing that appears to have changed is that his usage rate is almost 50% above his career average; he's calling his own number at a ridiculously high rate and the volume is coming mostly outside the flow of the offense -- basically he needs to reign it in a little bit and be more judicious, taking higher percentage shots and cut out the "hero" bullshit, unless it's to break a stagnant stretch of offense or at the end of the quarter.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
B-Roy and Nik's concerns don't appear to be Felton/Crawford's FG% itself so much as the quantity and quality of the shots that they're taking. If they don't have the legs for great outside shooting because they're expending so much energy on the defensive end, that's fine, and that could be a valid and legitimate explanation for the poor percentage, but that doesn't explain or excuse their poor shot selection or their propensity to call their own number so often.

If they don't have the energy to take/make good shots, then they need to be looking to create shots for others rather than for themselves.
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Ahhhh I see. Okay I was going on the OP topic. If that is truly what they were saying, then I would agree 100%. If you can't make a shot, then find someone who can.
 
Crawford currently has the 4th highest AST% of his career

KTHX

Once the shots starts falling he'll once again be one of the top 3 bench players in the NBA
 
magnifier661 said:
Ahhhh I see. Okay I was going on the OP topic. If that is truly what they were saying, then I would agree 100%. If you can't make a shot, then find someone who can.
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Yes, this is mostly what we're saying. I (and I suspect B-Roy) want Felton and Crawford to take "better" shots instead of forcing the issue.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Yes, this is mostly what we're saying. I (and I suspect B-Roy) want Felton and Crawford to take "better" shots instead of forcing the issue.
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I can 100% agree on that as well. I think Crawford has it in his brain that he wants to replace Roy. And that is never going to happen.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Yes, this is mostly what we're saying. I (and I suspect B-Roy) want Felton and Crawford to take "better" shots instead of forcing the issue.
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Yes, exactly. Awful shot selection deserves to be called out.
 
B-Roy said:
Yes, exactly. Awful shot selection deserves to be called out.
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There were times against Cleveland that I just posted LOLs on the blown layups by Felton and crazy shots by Crawford. I was just wondering why they think somehow it will go in.
 
I will now gladly accept rep from all of you for clarifying that confusion.

You're welcome.
 
magnifier661 said:
There were times against Cleveland that I just posted LOLs on the blown layups by Felton and crazy shots by Crawford. I was just wondering why they think somehow it will go in.
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I don't know ... Those are what I would call "coach-able moments." I hope Nate isn't too close to Crawford that he can reign him in and conversely I hope Crawford has enough respect for Nate to listen. This has got to get cleaned up.
 
blue32 said:
Felton got torched by nash and irving.... he really isn't our answer at PG.
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He has done great vs everyone else. Either way to small a sample size to say either way.

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I've always been under the mindset that I don't really care about a PG's numbers. As long as they are facilitating the offense and not falling in love with the jumpshot I'm okay. Felton is great at keeping the defense on its toes and great in the pick and roll. Were 8 games in, the season should just be starting, chemistry with his new teammates is still a work in progress. Felton's numbers aren't great, but I'm happy with the way he's quarterbacking the team.
 
Felton has been the engine that got this team to play fast. From this perspective - he has been great. Last night - he had a lot of bleh moments - but some bullet passes in traffic that were magnificent. Mostly to Gerald. I suspect that some time getting used to his new team-mates (and vice versa) is in order before we can see him really working well with this group.
 
MickZagger said:
I've always been under the mindset that I don't really care about a PG's numbers. As long as they are facilitating the offense and not falling in love with the jumpshot I'm okay. Felton is great at keeping the defense on its toes and great in the pick and roll. Were 8 games in, the season should just be starting, chemistry with his new teammates is still a work in progress. Felton's numbers aren't great, but I'm happy with the way he's quarterbacking the team.
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I somewhat agree with this sentiment. I don't think Felton looks confused about running the point and I'm sure some of his struggles have to do with no training camp and simple conditioning, but 35%-ish on field goals is just brutal ... still time to turn it around, but if he still looks like this ten games from now, it might be time to break out a big red panic button.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I somewhat agree with this sentiment. I don't think Felton looks confused about running the point and I'm sure some of his struggles have to do with no training camp and simple conditioning, but 35%-ish on field goals is just brutal ... still time to turn it around, but if he still looks like this ten games from now, it might be time to break out a big red panic button.
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If this team keeps winning at a 0.75 clip I could care less what his FG% is. He can come to games in a bikini and high-hill as well, as far as I am concerned.
 
SantaDora said:
If this team keeps winning at a 0.75 clip I could care less what his FG% is. He can come to games in a bikini and high-hill as well, as far as I am concerned.
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I don't think anyone would disagree on that. But remember our 0.75 clip is with the majority of the games at home. Our only two losses came on the road. I think it's imparative that the shooting is consistent when on the road because you need scores to keep the other team's fans out of the game. If we can keep a .55 on the road, I will be happy. If any higher, I will be ecstatic!
 
SantaDora said:
If this team keeps winning at a 0.75 clip I could care less what his FG% is. He can come to games in a bikini and high-hill as well, as far as I am concerned.
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If he continues to shoot 35% I contend that winning 75% of their games won't hold up ... especially when he's getting 10+ FGAs. At some point teams are going to completely sag off of him and clog the paint which makes it very difficult for LMA and Wallace to operate. That will lead to a lot of stagnation and ultimately losses.

Theoretically, the Blazers would like him to solidify the position so they can finally get a semi-longterm solution at the point. Going into yet another off-season with uncertainty is not a recipe for success.
 
Felton has been an acceptable starting PG, but nothing above average. If we can make a run at Deron Williams in the offseason obviously that would be a dream scenario, but outside of that we could consider keeping Felton because at least he's not a bad PG.

If we do keep Felton I want him on no more then a 2 year contract, or something with team options. If he's fat and out of shape in a contract year I cringe to think of how Eddy Curry like he could be if he's on a long-term large salary deal.
 
Draco said:
Felton has been an acceptable starting PG, but nothing above average. If we can make a run at Deron Williams in the offseason obviously that would be a dream scenario, but outside of that we could consider keeping Felton because at least he's not a bad PG.

If we do keep Felton I want him on no more then a 2 year contract, or something with team options. If he's fat and out of shape in a contract year I cringe to think of how Eddy Curry like he could be if he's on a long-term large salary deal.
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I've had a similar thought. But I don't think he's a flat out thief like Curry; he seems to care about basketball and being well regarded and maybe being bounced around like a pinata`the past couple of years kind of took the air out of his sails and possibly hurt his preparation in the off-season ... but this is worrisome.
 
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So, 12 games in and their three point % have dipped even further.

*sigh*

We need someone who can routinely break down the defense. Crawford can do it, but he's more concerned with throwing up bricks or shooting crazy layups. Felton can do it....unreliably, and he's also great at shooting out of control layup prayers.
 
I don't know what people saw, or thought they saw, in Felton that indicated he'd be anything other than exactly what he's been... He's always been an out of shape, iffy shooter.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/189847-Blazers-draft-night-RECAP?p=2633762#post2633762

http://sportstwo.com/threads/189842-tell-me-about-ray-felton?p=2634313#post2634313

You can't be outplayed every single game and still be an above average starter... Felton is good at getting to the rim with a frenetic style and finishing very difficult shots, but that's about all the upside I see. Fourth quarter decision making is Uncle Cliffy bad.
 
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