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dviss1 said:
Man really, stop telling me how to feel.

All of the things I said need to happen. Jody needs to sell this team. Plain and simple. She was the one who didn't want to go into the tax. Cronin (who never had any competition for his job) is the one who WASTED money on GP2 only to trade him back to the team he left FOR NOTHING. I could go on and on about the ineptitude of Joe Cronin BECAUSE of Jody.

Frankly, I don't need to be told how to feel or how to react to this.
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Don't confuse me telling you how I feel with telling you how to feel......that was unnecessary...I could care less how you react to this dviss. My post had nothing to do with yours her other than we disagree about Cronin and Jody...big deal...no it's not. Feel free to not watch the team all you like. I don't blame anybody for those choices.
 
riverman said:
Don't confuse me telling you how I feel with telling you how to feel......that was unnecessary...I could care less how you react to this dviss. My post had nothing to do with yours her other than we disagree about Cronin and Jody...big deal...no it's not. Feel free to not watch the team all you like. I don't blame anybody for those choices.
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My statement wasn't a "meltdown"...
 
It doesn’t matter if we fire Cronin now or he stays, nor does it matter who we hire as a new GM because the little negative nancys will just create new thread saying Fire the new GM,

This place is going down the tubes fast man.
 
James lamphear said:
I think some of you guys over value ours guys. Yes Simons can go out get you 18-24 points majority of the nights but he can't play defense and teams are looking for two way players. But he might get you a first and 2nds. Nurk his injuries had caught up to him and did get traded he probably be backup center on good team. Majority is not dumb this probably Nurk last contract. Sharpe your still finding out how good he will be. Dame not going anywhere until he requested it. Grant he probably one your pieces going forward. Everyone else is throw in on trade. What I am saying is there really not there other teams wants.
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good post, and I agree

IMO, last season, people calling for trades were significantly overrating the value, outside of Portland, of CJ, Powell, RoCo. They were limited players with big flaws and questionable contracts who don't fit on many rosters. The same was true for Blazers players this deadline. Again, limited players on neutral to negative contracts who don't fit well into more than a few rosters

the only player that has some wide appeal was Hart, and the rumors seem to be he had indicated to the Blazers he'd be unlikely to re-sign. I was hoping for a little better player coming back for Hart, but I wasn't expecting a 1st round pick
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Still hard capped, but it doesn't matter. There is no way Portland can get anywhere remotely close to the hard cap (currently sitting ~$10M below).

There is enough room that if Portland wanted to, they could cycle through a bunch of minimum contract guys and still be below the lux tax line.
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you seem to know more about the CBA than I do, so maybe you can answer this:

as I understand it, because the Blazers used the full-MLE they still have the BAE available. That is for up to 4.1M. So then, is a player is bought out or waived by another team and clears waivers, the Blazers could offer that full BAE amount for the rest of the season; it wouldn't have to be pro-rated for a partial season. That would allow them to make a fairly competitive offer. Assumption there and I'm looking for some confermation

obviously, the cap to the full BAE will pivot on the margin Portland has under the tax line. Still, they might be able to land a decent player for the balance of the season. IIRC, that would mean they wouldn't have the BAE nest season
 
wizenheimer said:
you seem to know more about the CBA than I do, so maybe you can answer this:

as I understand it, because the Blazers used the full-MLE they still have the BAE available. That is for up to 4.1M. So then, is a player is bought out or waived by another team and clears waivers, the Blazers could offer that full BAE amount for the rest of the season; it wouldn't have to be pro-rated for a partial season. That would allow them to make a fairly competitive offer. Assumption there and I'm looking for some confermation

obviously, the cap to the full BAE will pivot on the margin Portland has under the tax line. Still, they might be able to land a decent player for the balance of the season. IIRC, that would mean they wouldn't have the BAE nest season
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Portland still has the BAE available. I'm not sure if it has to be prorated or not, but it is a 2-year contract. You are correct that if they use it this season, it is not available for the following season.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers//cap

I think the bigger question/point is which FA is out there that makes sense for the Blazers to use this BAE on? I'm not seeing who that player is... All the rumored buy-out players are fairly 'meh'.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Portland still has the BAE available. I'm not sure if it has to be prorated or not, but it is a 2-year contract. You are correct that if they use it this season, it is not available for the following season.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers//cap

I think the bigger question/point is which FA is out there that makes sense for the Blazers to use this BAE on? I'm not seeing who that player is... All the rumored buy-out players are fairly 'meh'.
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yeah, it was more a theoretical point than a practical one

but every season, there do seem to be a couple of buyouts/waivers that are a bit surprising
 
maxiep said:
At least the "keep Cronin" threads will cease.
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I went back to bring this back. So all the one's who are licking Joe's sack now, can see where they were when this came out. I was one of the one's who said , give him time to prove what he says is the plan. I'm frustrated, but still giving him time to actually add some quality veterans.
 
Titan said:
There are plenty that would take the job. The point is the team needs someone with experience and/or is someone that is actually being groomed to be a lead GM. Figuring out what is best move(s) for the team should not be decided by a greenhorn. Plenty of legit assistance that would love to take the job because it’s still a dream job. You can tell Cronin doesn’t have “it”.
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And another.
 
tykendo said:
Please explain why. He had to clear cap space, get beneath the tax threshold, and move the team into a position where it may be able to draft a top talent in this years draft. Seems like check, check, check. We haven't seen what he can do in Free Agency, or the Draft yet. So it's quite premature to say ,"He has to go".
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Here's my usual take on Joe.
 
I fed this thread to my friend ChatGTP...This is the response.

Delusional fans, caught up in the whirlwind of their own fantasies, are once again storming social media platforms to vent their frustrations about the general manager of their beloved team. With disingenuous arguments veiled in passive-aggressive comments, these armchair critics spare no effort in blaming the GM for every setback, real or imagined. Their irrationality becomes evident as they weave a tangled web of exaggerated claims and misinterpreted statistics, conveniently ignoring the complexities of running a sports franchise. It seems they are more interested in fulfilling their own ego-driven desires for instant success rather than understanding the intricacies of team management. Their complaints may be loud, but their ignorance and lack of genuine analysis expose the hollowness of their arguments.
 
Owners don't fire a GM that makes the franchise a ton of money. Portland can't fire the owner.
 
FlashWad said:
I have a sulking pit in my stomach thinking of the horrendous return got in those trades.. it gets even worse thinking Cronin might actually Be the permanent gm. His performance as gm has been a disgrace. We are the laughing stalk of the league. Might be many years before we pull our self out of this. There is no way we build a contender with dame now with how little assets we got back in our fire sale.
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Here's a fun one
 
I think he's a man of his word. So i expect him to bring in some quality veterans to help immediately.
 
FlashWad said: ↑
I have a sulking pit in my stomach thinking of the horrendous return got in those trades.. it gets even worse thinking Cronin might actually Be the permanent gm. His performance as gm has been a disgrace. We are the laughing stalk of the league. Might be many years before we pull our self out of this. There is no way we build a contender with dame now with how little assets we got back in our fire sale ]

It's beginning to look like the 2 year "re-tool" was a 2 year tear down all along. It's unfortunate the Blazers had to lie to the fanbase throughout this process. I do think Cronin half-assed attempted to build a decent team around Lillard, but he's on a very strict budget, and wasn't getting much help from other GM's.

Selling the Blazers to a new owner with a start from scratch open pallet, is much easier then a team loaded with hard to move contracts and zero future picks. Cronin's time as general manager will probably be up, if & when the Blazers get a new owner that actually understands the game of basketball.

Joe is a numbers man, not a leader, not a wheeler & dealer. He can step back into his cubicle and crunch numbers. Give him a assistant vice president job title or something.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have actually been happy with what he has done so far. I guess we will see what happens over the next couple months.
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I was not a fan of the initial trades, nor of acquiring Grant, and HATED signing Payton... but other than that, I dig it. Getting stuff as he got rid of Payton was excellent.

And the draft picks? I'm a fan of all five so far.

Most importantly? He hasn't given away the future in a scramble to build a contender now.

I think we are, though, better now with our current roster and we are SO MUCH BETTER into the future than we were (with Scoot and Sharpe) than before he took over. Tanking sucked but at least it seems like it's gonna pay off.

Kudos to Joe so far.
 
Ed O said:
I was not a fan of the initial trades, nor of acquiring Grant, and HATED signing Payton... but other than that, I dig it. Getting stuff as he got rid of Payton was excellent.

And the draft picks? I'm a fan of all five so far.

Most importantly? He hasn't given away the future in a scramble to build a contender now.

I think we are, though, better now with our current roster and we are SO MUCH BETTER into the future than we were (with Scoot and Sharpe) than before he took over. Tanking sucked but at least it seems like it's gonna pay off.

Kudos to Joe so far.
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Yeah sorry I meant so far THIS summer lol. I hated the LAC trade.
 
I’m impressed with his lack of trades around the draft. The league thought he was desperate to put a star around Lillard and he showed no vulnerabilities. That’s a huge gain in leverage going forward. You can’t tip your hand in the world of sport’s negotiating acting desperate or you’ll get taken advantage of.

I suspect with our unbalanced roster and the thought that Lillard must be on the move that the offers will start pouring in.
 
MickZagger said:
I’m impressed with his lack of trades around the draft. The league thought he was desperate to put a star around Lillard and he showed no vulnerabilities. That’s a huge gain in leverage going forward. You can’t tip your hand in the world of sport’s negotiating acting desperate or you’ll get taken advantage of.

I suspect with our unbalanced roster and the thought that Lillard must be on the move that the offers will start pouring in.
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Yeah. I think the sweet spot is that you want people to respect you but you don't want people to think you're an asshole like Ujiri.
 
bemac said:
I fed this thread to my friend ChatGTP...This is the response.

Delusional fans, caught up in the whirlwind of their own fantasies, are once again storming social media platforms to vent their frustrations about the general manager of their beloved team. With disingenuous arguments veiled in passive-aggressive comments, these armchair critics spare no effort in blaming the GM for every setback, real or imagined. Their irrationality becomes evident as they weave a tangled web of exaggerated claims and misinterpreted statistics, conveniently ignoring the complexities of running a sports franchise. It seems they are more interested in fulfilling their own ego-driven desires for instant success rather than understanding the intricacies of team management. Their complaints may be loud, but their ignorance and lack of genuine analysis expose the hollowness of their arguments.
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I’m starting to really like Chat GTP responses.
 
At this point Joe might have one all star and two future all stars on the team. Not sure the last time the blazers had that kind of talent.
Of course being an all star as a guard is very tough in the west.
I guess we’ll see?
 
tykendo said:
Here's another nice one.
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I stand by that comment, the Blazers lost flexibility in the Clippers trade and many of Joes other moves.

I love the Scoot pick and similarly loved the Sharpe pick on both draft days. I can still hate the Clippers trade. The Clippers trade is when we basically went down the road of eventually likely trading Dame, so I was very frustrated at the time.

I'm content now keeping or trading Dame if we continue to build the team around Scoot/Sharpe which it appears we're doing.

Yeah I was one of Joes biggest critics, but I love his draft. If he makes good moves going forward and doesn't repeat his prior blunders I'll flip my tune of being one of his biggest critics.
 
tykendo said:
Here's my usual take on Joe.
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Your comment was wrong then and wrong today. Joe didn't clear cap space and didn't need to. They were stupid cost cutting moves that reduced the Blazers flexibility to add talent. Maybe that was Jody or Vulcan pressure more than Joe, I don't care I judge a GM performance by all of those dynamics. I'll never know exactly what Jody Bert Joe are discussing so the only judgements I can make are on the GMs moves. Joe made many blunders in these regards, starting with the worthless Clippers trade.
 
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