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[MAS RipCity]

Unless we get something for Mase at the deadline, that trade could come back to haunt us. RHJ had the defensive potential that this team sorely lacks and Mase only had two years left on his deal. Now, with the team struggling mightily, it doesn't make sense to retain Plumlee for 12-15 million and you don't want to let him walk for nothing either.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Unless we get something for Mase at the deadline, that trade could come back to haunt us. RHJ had the defensive potential that this team sorely lacks and Mase only had two years left on his deal. Now, with the team struggling mightily, it doesn't make sense to retain Plumlee for 12-15 million and you don't want to let him walk for nothing either.

Compared to the other large contracts we handed out last summer Plumlee is the only one who earned it. $12-15 mill seems like a bargain. We need to keep him.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Compared to the other large contracts we handed out last summer Plumlee is the only one who earned it. $12-15 mill seems like a bargain. We need to keep him.

With the exception of CJ.

 

[riverman]

I like Plumlee as our Kurt Thomas type big...give you a few points and hustle on defense..not sure he's staying around with our glaring need for a rim protector though....somebody will overpay him just like the Nets offer to Crabbe..

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I've hated the plumlee trade since it happened. But now I really hate it.

I don't.

 

[Minstrel]

Compared to the other large contracts we handed out last summer Plumlee is the only one who earned it. $12-15 mill seems like a bargain. We need to keep him.

Harkless has earned his so far. Of course, part of that was adding a three-point shot and we'll have to see if that sticks.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Compared to the other large contracts we handed out last summer Plumlee is the only one who earned it. $12-15 mill seems like a bargain. We need to keep him.

Gotta disagree here. He doesn't impact the game on either end the way we need him to. Yes, his passing is great and he gets close to triple-doubles on more nights than not, but it's not what this current team needs. We need a big who can score a bucket (on his own) in the post (a reliable 10-12 ft jump shot would do wonders for this offense as well) and protect the paint. Mase is in that weird category where he's probably too good to be coming off of the bench, but you probably don't want him as your starting center. If our guards were better perimeter defenders, then you could probably get away with Mason starting but that's not likely the case for the foreseeable future.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Gotta disagree here. He doesn't impact the game on either end the way we need him to. Yes, his passing is great and he gets close to triple-doubles on more nights than not, but it's not what this current team needs. We need a big who can score a bucket (on his own) in the post (a reliable 10-12 ft jump shot would do wonders for this offense as well) and protect the paint. Mase is in that weird category where he's probably too good to be coming off of the bench, but you probably don't want him as your starting center. If our guards were better perimeter defenders, then you could probably get away with Mason starting but that's not likely the case for the foreseeable future.

I'd rather have Plumlee come off the bench than Meyers. Plumlee brings effort and fight every night.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'd rather have Plumlee come off the bench than Meyers. Plumlee brings effort and fight every night.

If Plums would be a soldier and sign for 10-12 mill as a backup it would help us with the finances immensely to improve this team.

 

[riverman]

Plumlee will get overpaid next season....big time

 

[JDC]

Plumlee will get overpaid next season....big time

If he does, I think we are the only team that's going to do it. Not a lot of teams around the league that need a center and Plumlee has been around long enough for teams to know that he's an effective, but limited center.

 

[riverman]

If he does, I think we are the only team that's going to do it. Not a lot of teams around the league that need a center and Plumlee has been around long enough for teams to know that he's an effective, but limited center.

He's putting up career numbers....

 

[JDC]

He's putting up career numbers....

His assists are up, but I'm not sure many other teams value his playmaking enough to use him as Stotts' does.

 

[jlprk]

Plumlee will be offered $20 million per year this summer. You guys have just never seen what I see in him. The only improvement his next coach needs to teach him is to dunk instead of finessing those bobbling layups. That will convert all of his missed shots into made shots for a FG% of 100%.

Wow. I just looked it up. I can't believe that he shoots 4.3 for 8.1 attempts (.534). It seems like he tries a lot more than 8.1. You don't think that dunking would make those 3.8 misses?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/plumlma01.html

 

[Nate]

Plumlee will be offered $20 million per year this summer. You guys have just never seen what I see in him. The only improvement his next coach needs to teach him is to dunk instead of finessing those bobbling layups. That will convert all of his missed shots into made shots for a FG% of 100%.

Wow. I just looked it up. I can't believe that he shoots 4.3 for 8.1 attempts (.534). It seems like he tries a lot more than 8.1. You don't think that dunking would make those 3.8 misses?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/plumlma01.html

He really confuses me. It always seems like he could throw down a nasty dunk, while drawing a foul, and then he try's to lay it in....

 

[SlyPokerDog]

He really confuses me. It always seems like he could throw down a nasty dunk, while drawing a foul, and then he try's to lay it in....

 

[Hobbesarable]

I didn't know Jerryd Bayless went into animation with his likeness!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I didn't know Jerryd Bayless went into animation with his likeness!

That was Bayless, now we use it for Plumlee.

#KnowYourBlazerMemes

 

[Hobbesarable]

That was Bayless, now we use it for Plumlee.

#KnowYourBlazerMemes

Don't we usually save that kind of smack down for ex-Blazers?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Don't we usually save that kind of smack down for Meyers?

FTFY

 

[Sarni]

Compared to the other large contracts we handed out last summer Plumlee is the only one who earned it. $12-15 mill seems like a bargain. We need to keep him.

We cannot keep him unless someone gets traded for a player significantly cheaper. We handed $100M to our backcourt and Meyers.

 

[Sarni]

Plumlee will be offered $20 million per year this summer. You guys have just never seen what I see in him. The only improvement his next coach needs to teach him is to dunk instead of finessing those bobbling layups. That will convert all of his missed shots into made shots for a FG% of 100%.

Wow. I just looked it up. I can't believe that he shoots 4.3 for 8.1 attempts (.534). It seems like he tries a lot more than 8.1. You don't think that dunking would make those 3.8 misses?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/plumlma01.html

Who will offer him $20M? I don't see it. It won't be another Summer of cap going $20M up, will it? Only like $8M from $94M to $102M and a lot of teams will still have terrible contracts from this year on their books. Moreover there will be plenty of good free agents available who will command a lot of money - Paul, Griffin, Millsap etc. Plumlee getting $20M does not seem very likely.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Nate]

Who will offer him $20M? I don't see it. It won't be another Summer of cap going $20M up, will it? Only like $8M from $94M to $102M and a lot of teams will still have terrible contracts from this year on their books. Moreover there will be plenty of good free agents available who will command a lot of money - Paul, Griffin, Millsap etc. Plumlee getting $20M does not seem very likely.

Well when those guys are gonna be getting 30+ million a year. I think plumlee might get 20.

 

[jlprk]

If Leonard got 10, I don't see why Plumlee won't get 20, since he's 5 times as effective. I don't remember my times tables from 4th grade, but I think that's right.

 

[Denny Crane]

So your saying we couldn't find a player out there as equal talent as Crabbe and pay less. To me that hard to believe.

Once you're at the cap, you can only use exceptions to go over. The only exception we had, aside from bird exceptions used to sign Crabbe and the others is the vet minimum. Look around the league at vet minimum guys. That's a huge drop off from the talent we have, such as it is.

You won't really compete if you refuse to sign players when you can.

The space between the cap and LT, if you have players signed, allows you to trade and stay over the cap. That's a huge advantage. If not, you'd be packaging 3-for-1 to meet the trade restrictions, and signing D League guys to fill out the roster.

We wouldn't have guys better than Crabbe, we'd have guys worse than Connaughton, and Connaughton as 6th man. If you think we're bad now, we'd really be bad. With no easy way to get over the cap again.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Once you're at the cap, you can only use exceptions to go over. The only exception we had, aside from bird exceptions used to sign Crabbe and the others is the vet minimum. Look around the league at vet minimum guys. That's a huge drop off from the talent we have, such as it is.

You won't really compete if you refuse to sign players when you can.

The space between the cap and LT, if you have players signed, allows you to trade and stay over the cap. That's a huge advantage. If not, you'd be packaging 3-for-1 to meet the trade restrictions, and signing D League guys to fill out the roster.

We wouldn't have guys better than Crabbe, we'd have guys worse than Connaughton, and Connaughton as 6th man. If you think we're bad now, we'd really be bad. With no easy way to get over the cap again.

Sounds like a plan to do a proper rebuild instead of the half-baked one we got instead?

 

[Denny Crane]

Sounds like a plan to do a proper rebuild instead of the half-baked one we got instead?

It is the plan executed. It makes 100% sense, and a no-brainer. Not half-baked.

No matter how dissatisfied we are, our players all have trade value and could be easily moved.

I'm as sure as sure can be that every one of last season's new contracts for a 2nd round pick (to salary dump), or to trade for players of equal salary.

We are rebuilding the team. This is year 2, and we're not horrible for year 2.

 

[oldfisherman]

It is the plan executed. It makes 100% sense, and a no-brainer. Not half-baked.

No matter how dissatisfied we are, our players all have trade value and could be easily moved.

I'm as sure as sure can be that every one of last season's new contracts for a 2nd round pick (to salary dump), or to trade for players of equal salary.

We are rebuilding the team. This is year 2, and we're not horrible for year 2.

The plan only made sense if the contracts where for one season, this season.
When you extend the contracts out for three more seasons, it was a very dumb move.
Next season, Olshey could be paying luxury tax on his draft picks, before he re-signs Plumlee.

We have a few players with smaller contracts that might net a second round pick, maybe. Given the depth of the draft, why would any GM want to help Olshey out, UNLESS Olshey sweetened the deal by adding a draft pick to move a contract.

Anyway you paint this, Olshey will need help from other GMs just to keep the starters we have. Improving our stating lineup through trades is next to impossible. Improving the team through the draft is a long term project.

 

[Denny Crane]

The plan only made sense if the contracts where for one season, this season.
When you extend the contracts out for three more seasons, it was a very dumb move.
Next season, Olshey could be paying luxury tax on his draft picks, before he re-signs Plumlee.

We have a few players with smaller contracts that might net a second round pick, maybe. Given the depth of the draft, why would any GM want to help Olshey out, UNLESS Olshey sweetened the deal by adding a draft pick to move a contract.

Anyway you paint this, Olshey will need help from other GMs just to keep the starters we have. Improving our stating lineup through trades is next to impossible. Improving the team through the draft is a long term project.

You act like Olshey can't make trades. Since he can, he's not going to be paying the LT if he doesn't want to. It's really obvious. It's not the end of the world if he does pay the tax for a season to keep the guys he wants around.

The questions are if he wants to keep Plums, who has to go to make room for his contract. At least one player is going to be gone as it is, probably two.

To get under the LT next season, we don't re-sign Plums and trade Davis and Leonard for 2nd round picks. A lot of GMs would make those trades.

Improving the roster through trades is trivial. We have salaries to match all sorts of other teams' contracts, and players other teams would most certainly want. Being over the cap doesn't preclude making trades.

Other GMs would trade with us because our players on their roster makes their team better.