Zombie Fire Olshey

[SIeepwalker]

It's just the nature of this forum. There are some very negative people here who LOVE to see the team and certain players fail. That way they can feel superior and spend years gloating about perceived failures, even ones that never even happened. They are so invested in their own negative agenda, they blindly assume moves that didn't happen would have been catastrophic failures. Because they LOVE to see the team fail, they just automatically assume players who don't succeed elsewhere would have also failed here.

They just look for failure and revel in it when it happens. If I didn't find them so fucking annoying and hate the way they love to shit all over anything or anyone positive in this forum, I'd almost feel sorry for them. But, I don't. They choose to behave in this manner.

After re-signing with IND, Hibbert was an absolute stud. He was the best defender on the best defensive team - and at the time the team with the best overall record in the league. He was definitely playing up to and exceeding that contract. Then Paul George banged Hibbert's girlfriend and the wheels fell off. Hibbert lost all desire to play and it showed. That would not have happened here. We would have had defensive stud Hibbert and no one would have banged his girl. But, the negative nancies completely ignore that and just blindly assume Hibbert would have failed here, too. We got Robin Lopez instead and won 54 games that year and advanced to the second round. Lopez was a good fit next to Aldridge, but Hibbert, pre-betrayal, would have been WAY better. Shit, in spite of how much his performance tailed off after that he still has the 13th highest career BLK% in NBA history. Imagine a happy, motivated Hibbert playing next to Aldridge. We would have easily had the best front court in the league at that time.

The ironic thing is these same negative, buzz kill, douchebags are seeing right now, right before there very eyes, how much the mental/emotional aspect of a situation can impact player performance. After just a couple games in a Blazer uniform, Jusuf Nurkic was widely touted in this forum as the best Blazer big man since Sabonis. The same Jusuf Nurkic that was viewed as a pouting failure in DEN just a couple weeks earlier. I'm just glad none of these know-it-all negative nancies aren't our GM. With their overall negative world view, they would have never considered trading for Nurkic. They love to point out Neil's failures, but he just spit right in their collective eye with the Nurkic trade. And the fact that he got Nurkic AND a 1st round pick is a big fuck you to all those here who are constantly tearing him, and the team, down with their constant negativity.

Nurkic was pouting in DEN and it was effecting his performance. But look at him now. He's in a much better situation and he's balling his ass off. All it took was a change of team, coach and teammates. Kudos to Neil for recognizing that and basically stealing Nurkic and a 1st round pick from DEN. Given how quickly Nurkic turned it around here, it's not all all inconceivable, or even improbable, Hibbert would have been happy here and would have continued to play the way he did in IND before his teammate and his woman betrayed him. But, the negative nancies are having none of that. They won't even consider it. It just doesn't fit their agenda.

Fuck them. Go Blazers!

BNM

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[Mediocre Man]

Henderson last season
15.7pts, 5.3reb, 1.9ast (Per 36) PER 12.9, ORTG 104, DRTG 109

Turner this season
13.3pts, 5.2reb, 4.6ast (per 36) PER 12.2, ORTG 102. DRTG 113

So by those measurables, Henderson was better....right?

Better stats across the board sans assists on a better team.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I've never understood the Hibbert hate. He would've been amazing next to Aldridge.

Hibbert would have helped us take another step forward, for sure

 

[Natebishop3]

Henderson last season
15.7pts, 5.3reb, 1.9ast (Per 36) PER 12.9, ORTG 104, DRTG 109

Turner this season
13.3pts, 5.2reb, 4.6ast (per 36) PER 12.2, ORTG 102. DRTG 113

The assists were why we brought him in. Not the scoring. The DRTG is disappointing though. He used to be a solid defender.

 

[Scalma]

Turner is our most consistent defender, I don't care what the stats say. There's no one stat that can quantify an individual's defensive ability. Defensive rating included.

It's like when someone throws a +/- at me to argue about an individual player. Swat that shit. Get it out of my face.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

The assists were why we brought him in. Not the scoring. The DRTG is disappointing though. He used to be a solid defender.

I think his DRTG is bad because he hasn't played with a true center yet with us. I bet Nurk has raised everyone's DRTG.

 

[ripcityboy]

Turner is our most consistent defender, I don't care what the stats say. There's no one stat that can quantify an individual's defensive ability. Defensive rating included.

It's like when someone throws a +/- at me to argue about an individual player. Swat that shit. Get it out of my face.

I agree I think he's been effective, esp on the perimeter. I'm salivating to see Turner, Nurkic and Aminu out there at the same time. That might actually be an effective defensive trio.

 

[Schilly]

This teams defense as a whole is so bad even good defenders look bad.

 

[BBert]

The assists were why we brought him in. Not the scoring. The DRTG is disappointing though. He used to be a solid defender.

How much of that defensive rating is due to the fact that our overall defense sucked for most of this season?

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think his DRTG is bad because he hasn't played with a true center yet with us. I bet Nurk has raised everyone's DRTG.

Exactly. Didn't we established that DRTG was more of a team stat than an individual stat since the formula is based on matchups that can change (i.e defenses that switch)

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

I love how there's always an excuse when Olshey makes a good move (he lucked into it! BUCHANAN picked him! Who else was he going to pick!?! He had no choice!), but all the "bad" moves are 100% on him

Fuck
Out
Of
Here

Exactly.

How long have we heard about how Olshey let Barton go for nothing. We get the best center our team has seen in awhile and gets zero credit for it.

 

[jlprk]

zero credit for it.

He did? No one has mentioned it...I didn't know. You'd think there would be several threads about Nurkic already. I wonder what Olshey's second acquisition of any substance in 20 months will be.

 

[Voodoo]

Nurkic was the first thing Olshey had done in 20 months of vacation. Winning one game doesn't change those 20 months.

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/4101738/
http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/4101795/

Were you one of those guys that helped run obamagolfs.com while he was President? A question for you, why do the quantity of trades matter? Isn't it the quality of trades that truly matter? I remember Isaiah Thomas making tons of Trades for the Knicks, and Khan for the Wolves too, and how'd those work out for them again?

If one analyzes pretty much every trade that Olshey has made as the Blazers GM, they've all been well reasoned and measured trades. He's conservative by nature, what I have noticed with his MO is picking diamond in the rough kinds of players that are under achieving on another team. There's so many examples of this in his history that it seems a pretty obvious strategy as this point. He's a very low risk, moderate to high reward kind of guy, you can see it in the DNA of how he operates, and to me that is a very wise thing that makes a lot of sense for a team like Portland, very moneyballesque.

Sometimes it pans out really well, sometimes not, some examples I can immediately think of that worked our are Rolo, Nurk, Harkless, and probably others too. And then other times it doesn't, the two obvious examples I can think of late on a Wednesday (I am sure the Olshey haters will have a legion of other examples) are Afflalo, Ezeli and TRob, and in all of those situations I do not remember us losing much in terms of real value. Frankly anyone that says Olshey is a bad GM IMO feels that way because they prefer GM's that are more willing to take substantial risks, such as say trading for Cousins or something. Olshey doesn't operate that way unless it's pretty sure fire, think CP3 trade when he was in LAC, and frankly I think that would be a very foolish way to run a small market franchise like the Blazers.

I am happy with him and hope he sticks around for a while, I dig the relative stability and his measured approach to managing the Blazers.

 

[Scalma]

He did? No one has mentioned it...I didn't know. You'd think there would be several threads about Nurkic already. I wonder what Olshey's second acquisition of any substance in 20 months will be.

Ok the first few times I saw this post of yours I ignored it but nah u ain't getting off that easy pal.

Tell me SPECIFICALLY what he should've done instead. I want SPECIFIC names and SPECIFIC moves.

And use reality. the cards he was dealt. So obviously not something like "he should've signed whiteside."

 

[jlprk]

Apparently it's very, very, very important to Olshey backers to control this thread. The thread is titled Fire Oslhey so that people can state their complaints about him. But megalomaniac Olshey backers want silence in the thread. It's important to their threatened egos that they hear no disagreement with their few voices, echoed as if in a cave to sound more numerous than they are.

So I think I'll keep posting to it, just to bother the dictators. I love to be a thumbtack underfoot of self-proclaimed authorities, watching the pompous windbags turn red in the face.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Turner is our most consistent defender, I don't care what the stats say. There's no one stat that can quantify an individual's defensive ability. Defensive rating included.

It's like when someone throws a +/- at me to argue about an individual player. Swat that shit. Get it out of my face.

Better to use cause I say so?

I don't completely disagree about the stats thing, but at some point, they have to mean something.

I also think Aminu has been our best defender....until Nurkic, anyway.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Ok the first few times I saw this post of yours I ignored it but nah u ain't getting off that easy pal.

Tell me SPECIFICALLY what he should've done instead. I want SPECIFIC names and SPECIFIC moves.

And use reality. the cards he was dealt. So obviously not something like "he should've signed whiteside."

That'll show him.

 

[Scalma]

Apparently it's very, very, very important to Olshey backers to control this thread. The thread is titled Fire Oslhey so that people can state their complaints about him. But megalomaniac Olshey backers want silence in the thread. It's important to their threatened egos that they hear no disagreement with their few voices, echoed as if in a cave to sound more numerous than they are.

So I think I'll keep posting to it, just to bother the dictators. I love to be a thumbtack underfoot of self-proclaimed authorities, watching the pompous windbags turn red in the face.

Didn't think so.

 

[Scalma]

Bob: "He hasn't done anything in 20 months!"

"What should he have done?"

B: "You can't control me!"

 

[HailBlazers]

Apparently it's very, very, very important to Olshey backers to control this thread. The thread is titled Fire Oslhey so that people can state their complaints about him. But megalomaniac Olshey backers want silence in the thread. It's important to their threatened egos that they hear no disagreement with their few voices, echoed as if in a cave to sound more numerous than they are.

So I think I'll keep posting to it, just to bother the dictators. I love to be a thumbtack underfoot of self-proclaimed authorities, watching the pompous windbags turn red in the face.

So let me ask you this, do you think Olshey should be fired?

 

[Sinobas]

I don't understand why people keep using Hibbert as some kind of black mark. The guy was a central piece for Indy making some deep playoff runs. He was an All Star. He had at least two really good seasons after Neil made the offer and then something happened to him. One rumor was that Paul George slept with his girlfriend. I don't know. But if he had come here instead of Indy, maybe he never falls off?

Jamal Maglore was an all-star....doesn't mean shit. Hibbert has been average if you're being generous, during the time he'd be playing for us with a max contract.

 

[jlprk]

So let me ask you this, do you think Olshey should be fired?

Not yet. But I think we should be dissatisfied with his bringing us from 54 wins to the ~35 we'll get this year. His performance should not be praised, as the saps in this thread are doing. We should be giving him a 1-year deadline before we all get down on him. Since others aren't preparing the board for 1 year from now (if he continues to fail), I will. I hope he'll make a couple more Nurkic-like moves in that time, but his history here says otherwise.

To repeat: After he lost Aldridge, he has done nothing since about July 2015, except Nurkic. One good move in 20 months is below average for NBA GMs.

To improve the team: He should have brought in at least one other Nurkic-quality player to return us to 50 wins. That was the plan after the quickie halfway rebuild of July 2015, to make a move every chance he got, but he went to sleep for 20 months.

To avoid further degradation: He should have traded one or both of Crabbe and Leonard at trade deadline 2017, simply to escape the salary problem he created last summer.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I see Plums started with Jokic out last night and had 19/10/5 with 4 TO. Nugs lost.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I see Plums started with Jokic out last night and had 19/10/5 with 4 TO. Nugs lost.

1 game back now

 

[Trackjack]

I going to wait for this draft and see if he can unload a big contract before I decide on Neil.

 

[illmatic99]

1 game back now

Tied in loss column.

 

[Voodoo]

Nurkic was the first thing Olshey had done in 20 months of vacation.

To repeat: After he lost Aldridge, he has done nothing since about July 2015, except Nurkic. One good move in 20 months is below average for NBA GMs.

I wonder what Olshey's second acquisition of any substance in 20 months will be.

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Who is being the pompous windbag again? Mind you the quotes I found are just in the last 5 or so pages of this thread alone, I am sure there's even more evidence if I were so inclined to go digging through all the other threads of this forum. Fortunately enough evidence was pretty easy to find without too much effort needed to make my point.

That said, I actually agree with some parts of your last post, it's nice when you put in a bit of effort to put content into your post instead of ad hominems and red herrings.

As you've pointed out, Olshey could do more, and that is probably accurate. But as we both know, Olshey isn't Trader Bob, and Trader Bob sure didn't have the best track record either. If you think objectively, I would think anyone in their right mind would think we're ahead of schedule on our rebuild overall considering the losses we incurred in 2015. This year may be somewhat of a step back record wise compared to last year, but even the Spurs aren't perfect every year and sometimes you need to take one step back before taking two forward.

Now where I strongly agree with you is on his financial management of the team, and I think as you pointed out Crabbe and Leonard were both mistakes to re-sign. I haven't heard a strong argument for why he match Crabbe especially, and I haven't seen much development from either of them either. Olshey is not perfect, but I personally view him as far better than average, but not quite elite.

He's basically like Lillard, he's great, but he's not a Steph Curry level GM.

 

[jlprk]

Many other posters have posted in other threads that they expect Olshey to perform by the next event (draft, summer, trade deadline). Then he doesn't. Then someone notes it. Then guys like you claim that the guy noting it is Olshey's only critic on the board. I see about half the posters on the board making unhappy comments about him because he fails at each event (draft, summer, trade deadline). You try to paint me in the minority, but I don't feel in the minority at all.

But let's say you're right. Olshey's done fine and should continue what he's done. We should win 35 games per year, from now on, forever. He should not try to get starters the caliber of Nurkic, and he should not have in the last 20 months.

Okay, so now we all agree that you're right. We all agree that this team should suck forever. We have no expectations of Olshey doing better than he has. Keep getting us one new good player per 20 months, Olshey! In Olshey I trust.

As you see, it's almost logically impossible to agree with you...and simultaneously be a Blazer fan. Olshey needs to improve, fast.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

$120m and this looks like a treadmill team at best.

His plan was to lock up young talent on "favorable deals" - clearly he overvalued their talent/upside. With Billy King out of the league who in their right mind will take on the contracts of Crabbe and Leonard?

The best way to build a team, ESPECIALLY when top FA wont sign here, is through the draft and for whatever reason this is when Neil is the least aggressive during the off season. He's quick to package first rounders for immediate/moderate upgrades -- Mo Williams (Clippers) and Aaron Afflalo.

He'd look worse if some of his main targets actually signed here -- Parsons, Monroe, Hibbert, etc.

Bump!

Told POR is still interested in attaching a pick to shed a salary, but may need to wait until the draft, pending who is available at time.-KeithSmithNBA

Salary that Neil/Paul gleefully added. If I hear "cuz cap flexibility" one more fucking time!​

 

[Natebishop3]

Bump!

-KeithSmithNBA

Salary that Neil/Paul gleefully added. If I hear "cuz cap flexibility" one more fucking time!​

Two words:

Jusuf.

Nurkic.

Kthxbye