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Natebishop3 said:
The success of the team last year threw everything out of whack.

The Batum trade, the signings, letting Wes/Rolo walk.... it was all with an eye to the future. I imagine if Olshey had known we would be that good last year, he wouldn't have traded Batum.
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Agreed, and probably would have tried to re-sign Rolo. If you pencil those guys into the roster and bring Harkless and Plumlee off the bench, this team would be a threat.
 
e_blazer said:
If you sat down with Olshey over a beer, I'd bet he'd tell you that the roster we have today is not the roster he sees the Blazers having when they get to the point of contending. What we have now is a collection of young guys with signed contracts that can be used in making the trades that are going to be needed to get the team to the point of contention.
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Like that prima dona would have a beer with one of us, LOL. ;)

:cheers:
 
blue9 said:
Precisely. I do fault Neil for past FA targets, but I can't really fault him with what he did this summer. The money was gone, and it's better to have Crabbe/Meyers than to not have them and also not have money to play with. Crabbe/Meyers will be trade assets - maybe not this season, but at some point. And Harkless is an amazing asset - very valuable to us both as a contributor and as a bargain contract for a starting SF helping to offset the money being used on Dame/CJ/Crabbe/Turner.
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A point that is lost on many. :cheers:
 
BBert said:
Like that prima dona would have a beer with one of us, LOL. ;)

:cheers:
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I forgot to mention the photos I was able to dig up on him from his soap opera days. I think he'll be compliant. ;)
 
Natebishop3 said:
I want someone to tell me what moves they would have done differently this summer.
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Nobody is perfect, everyone has at least a couple of skeletons in their closet. Olshey should have hired top investigators

and then blackmail Durant and Whiteside into signing with the Blazers.
 
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Minstrel said:
Those who think he's doing a good job believe that the players on the roster (outside of Lillard, McCollum and Harkless) are good trade assets.
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I don't even think we're saying they are good trade assets, just that they are trade assets. Better to have assets - even ones with limited value - than no assets at all. Regardless of what you think about Crabbe, Turner, Meyers, they are all tradeable. We might not get a good player back in return, but maybe a different player will work better. We at least have the ability to shuffle different mediocre players through the roster to see if any of them stick.

Beyond the "overpaid" Crabbe/Turner/Meyers, we have the "value" contracts of Aminu/Davis/Plumlee, the "expiring" contract of Ezeli, and then the toss-ins like Vonleh/Napier/Layman/Quarterman. And the winning lotto ticket CJ! It's that wide range of assets that gives us flexibility. Without Crabbe/Turner/Meyers we'd have less flexibility. But that doesn't mean I/we think Crabbe/Meyers/Turner are necessarily GOOD trade assets.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
No body is perfect, everyone has at least a couple of skeletons in their closet. Olshey should have hired top investigators

and then blackmail Durant and Whiteside into signing with the Blazers.
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MY BODY IS PERFECT! HOW DARE YOU!
 
blue9 said:
I don't even think we're saying they are good trade assets, just that they are trade assets. Better to have assets - even ones with limited value - than no assets at all. Regardless of what you think about Crabbe, Turner, Meyers, they are all tradeable.
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There's pretty wide disagreement about that, though. Quite a few of us think they have negative trade value--that is, they weaken the trade package, not strengthen it. You can get away with overpaid stars--teams will pay a premium for players who can do things few other players can do, even if it's technically an overpay. Very few teams are interested in overpaid mediocrities (or worse than mediocre, in the case of Leonard). You don't have to take on a salary albatross to get a Crabbe or a Turner, generally. There are players who are similar or better with far lower salary hits.
 
blue9 said:
I don't even think we're saying they are good trade assets, just that they are trade assets. Better to have assets - even ones with limited value - than no assets at all. Regardless of what you think about Crabbe, Turner, Meyers, they are all tradeable. We might not get a good player back in return, but maybe a different player will work better. We at least have the ability to shuffle different mediocre players through the roster to see if any of them stick.

Beyond the "overpaid" Crabbe/Turner/Meyers, we have the "value" contracts of Aminu/Davis/Plumlee, the "expiring" contract of Ezeli, and then the toss-ins like Vonleh/Napier/Layman/Quarterman. And the winning lotto ticket CJ! It's that wide range of assets that gives us flexibility. Without Crabbe/Turner/Meyers we'd have less flexibility. But that doesn't mean I/we think Crabbe/Meyers/Turner are necessarily GOOD trade assets.
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either way you look at it these 'assets' have massively reduced in value.

scarce options > panic > overpaying weak talent > regression of signings > ridic contract > albatross contract > stuck with meyers.
 
BlayZa said:
either way you look at it these 'assets' have massively reduced in value.

scarce options > panic > overpaying weak talent > regression of signings > ridic contract > albatross contract > stuck with meyers.
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Meyers contract isn't that bad dude. Seriously, go look at what some of the big men were getting paid over the summer.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Meyers contract isn't that bad dude. Seriously, go look at what some of the big men were getting paid over the summer.
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And if he ever plays for a coach who realizes he's not a PF he might actually live up to his not-that-bad contract.
 
e_blazer said:
No, but I'm most willing to take a look if you share it.
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Edit: Okay, I took a look at BlayZa's avitar. Google says it's a pic of British model Cara Delevingne. BYW, BlayZa's profile says she's from New Zealand, not Australia.
 
e_blazer said:
Edit: Okay, I took a look at BlayZa's avitar. Google says it's a pic of British model Cara Delevingne. BYW, BlayZa's profile says she's from New Zealand, not Australia.
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lol
New Zealand, Australia. Its all down under and shes hot no matter what Island she is from!!!


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Orion Bailey said:
lol
New Zealand, Australia. Its all down under and shes hot no matter what Island she is from!!!


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I long ago learned that people using an avatar like that are apt to more closely resemble Danny Devito in both appearance and gender than the avatar they're using. But, let's hope for our imagination's sake that this isn't a case of false advertising.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Meyers contract isn't that bad dude. Seriously, go look at what some of the big men were getting paid over the summer.
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All big men aren't the same. It's not just what he's paid, it's also his ability on the floor. Right now, you could very easily make the argument that he isn't even NBA-caliber. He's terrible both offensively and defensively (his Offensive Rating and Defensive Rating are both awful). His scoring efficiency is atrocious and scoring is the only thing he can do. Let's boil that down further: the only thing he can do is shoot three-pointers and he's shooting .330 from three-point range. And before you say that's just temporary, his three-point shooting percentage has been trending downwards. In 2015, it was .420. Last year it was .377. This year, as mentioned, it's .330. Maybe .330 is temporary, but it's getting a lot harder to argue that he's a (functionally) elite three-point shooter (even if he has a great shooting motion and swishes twenty a row in practice).

When all you can do it shoot, and you're shooting .330 from three-point range, you're probably not an NBA player. Right now, he's a waste of a roster spot, not merely a backup making $10M/year. $10M/year for someone who may not even be a viable NBA player is a really bad contract.

I realize a lot of people are banking on his "potential," but he's 24 and not improving (in fact, getting worse). I don't think he's somehow being held back by Stotts--I think he's just a bad basketball player (by NBA standards, of course).
 
I'd like to see Zack Addy AKA @KingSpeed do this to Olshey.



"Neil... Neil... the drugs I administered are still very much in your system. We need to talk about your offseason signings, Neil."
 
BBert said:
Haha. In my experience the Aussies and New Zealanders are a fun lot and tend to have a pretty good disposition. Until you confuse one with the other. ;)
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Australia is full of poisonous shit that can kill you and New Zealand is full of sheep.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Australia is full of poisonous shit that can kill you and New Zealand is full of sheep.
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And New Zealand is one of the most geologically hazardous places on the planet.

So, may as well have a good time while they can, eh mate?

:cheers:
 
BBert said:
And New Zealand is one of the most geologically hazardous places on the planet. :cheers:
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Really? We just bought tickets to go there but may have to change up the time of our trip. Any suggestions of places to visit? Starting off in Auckland.
 
TBpup said:
Really? We just bought tickets to go there but may have to change up the time of our trip. Any suggestions of places to visit? Starting off in Auckland.
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Go. Enjoy. I hear it's amazing and beautiful. I mean, what are the odds? ;)

Hell, when the big one hits off the Oregon coast, and it will, those of us who are still around are in a heap of trouble too. (Get it? Heap?) :)

:cheers:
 
BBert said:
Go. Enjoy. I hear it's amazing and beautiful. I mean, what are the odds? ;)

Hell, when the big one hits off the Oregon coast, and it will, those of us who are still here are in a heap of trouble too. (Get it? Heap?) :)

:cheers:
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Didn't you hear? Fracking actually prevents earthquakes because it reduces the pressure that builds up underground. We're saved if there is oil and/or natural gas under the Oregon coast range.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Didn't you hear? Fracking actually prevents earthquakes because it reduces the pressure that builds up underground. We're saved if there is oil and/or natural gas under the Oregon coast range.
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LOL
 
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