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Just before anyone else endorses him, don't even fucking THINK about claiming Chauncey "no experience or connections" Billups should replace Olshey.

He sounds dumb as SHIT when giving player evaluations.
 
dviss1 said:
Just before anyone else endorses him, don't even fucking THINK about claiming Chauncey "no experience or connections" Billups should replace Olshey.

He sounds dumb as SHIT when giving player evaluations.
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No experience might be just what we need though. A guy like Billups or Charles Barkley. A high risk taker. Someone who isn't afraid to swing for the fances. What could it hurt? Portland obviously can't attract star free agents.
 
BigGameDamian said:
No experience might be just what we need though. A guy like Billups or Charles Barkley. A high risk taker. Someone who isn't afraid to swing for the fances. What could it hurt? Portland obviously can't attract star free agents.
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Lol Sounds like the rationale people made when they voted for this president.
 
dviss1 said:
Just before anyone else endorses him, don't even fucking THINK about claiming Chauncey "no experience or connections" Billups should replace Olshey.

He sounds dumb as SHIT when giving player evaluations.
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That could be why he's been passed over a couple times?
 
dviss1 said:
Just before anyone else endorses him, don't even fucking THINK about claiming Chauncey "no experience or connections" Billups should replace Olshey.

He sounds dumb as SHIT when giving player evaluations.
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Who do you suggest?
 
All I know if he can't see this crap not working anymore it then it time to make changes. I see people trashing Zach all the time on D but if that the case you should be trashing everyone on D. Due to Zach is one of our better defenders.
 
BonesJones said:
Who do you suggest?
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If I was running the Blazers I would bring in Mike Dunleavy Jr in a front office role. Maybe Brent Barry. I didn’t have a problem with Chad Buchanan, who is in Indiana. Buchanan is ready for the GM role (he is in Indiana now as GM). I’m a big believer in grooming a guy to take over. The current assistant GMs I’m not sure are GM candidates. Good guys but maybe not GM material. Too bad Phoenix nabbed James Jones. They need a young guy who knows today’s NBA surrounded but a veteran who knows the NBA inner workings. I personally like Olshey. But I wouldn’t mind him relinquishing some of the responsibilities to another guy who is aggressive. The balance between the two would be good - as I think Neil is good with parts of the job.
 
dviss1 said:
Just before anyone else endorses him, don't even fucking THINK about claiming Chauncey "no experience or connections" Billups should replace Olshey.

He sounds dumb as SHIT when giving player evaluations.
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I dont think Billups is a great talent evaluator, but Id be surprised if he doesnt have any connections.

Im not endorsing chauncey, but I think a respected ex-player is Portlands best way of ever getting FA’s to come to Portland. I think a middle-aged or old white guy with little to no playing experience has almost no shot of convincing a high profile NBA player to come to Portland. The Blazers at the very least should make more of an attempt to bring in ex-players in adminstrative roles.
 
calvin natt said:
If I was running the Blazers I would bring in Mike Dunleavy Jr in a front office role. Maybe Brent Barry. I didn’t have a problem with Chad Buchanan, who is in Indiana. Buchanan is ready for the GM role (he is in Indiana now as GM). I’m a big believer in grooming a guy to take over. The current assistant GMs I’m not sure are GM candidates. Good guys but maybe not GM material. Too bad Phoenix nabbed James Jones. They need a young guy who knows today’s NBA surrounded but a veteran who knows the NBA inner workings. I personally like Olshey. But I wouldn’t mind him relinquishing some of the responsibilities to another guy who is aggressive. The balance between the two would be good - as I think Neil is good with parts of the job.
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Not trying to be snarky - but what is Olshey actually that good at?

Payroll/cap management? Nope
Draft? Hit-or-miss. He either hires mediocre scouts, or he has good scouts he doesn't listen to. I find him way too willing to trade his picks, but YMMV.
Free agency? His star acquisition is Turner. He can't hide behind the "no cap space" argument, as he is the one responsible for that.
Trades? Outside of Nurk, what trade has he made that had a major, positive impact?

I guess you can say he is a decent dumpster-diver....but that isn't much to hang his hat on. Stauskas and Curry haven't really made an impact. Davis and Vonleh are already gone. Aminu is being asked to take on way too big of a role and will likely be gone next year.
 
Fez Von Savage said:
SAM HINKIE.

His philosophy was to build a powerhouse - not a "nice little team."

Neil is content with being on this treadmill.
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Please remind me why he got fired in Philly?

BonesJones said:
Who do you suggest?
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I was on the Billups bandwagon until I heard him talking at Summer League.

Hinke is intriguing. I'll do more research on him.

I really don't know...
 
dviss1 said:
Please remind me why he got fired in Philly?



I was on the Billups bandwagon until I heard him talking at Summer League.

Hinke is intriguing. I'll do more research on him.

I really don't know...
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Isn't Hinkie the one that had Philly tank for years on end?
 
Hinkie would be great if you’re on team blow it up. He’d probably trade Lillard though.

I’d go with Billups. We need an X factor when recruiting players. Generally speaking, players don’t want to go to Portland. Surround Billups with a strong team he can lean on for things he doesn’t have experience with, and it should be fine. He doesn’t strike me as an ego maniac.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Trades? Outside of Nurk, what trade has he made that had a major, positive impact
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When Neil traded a bowl of steam for Robin Lopez, every Blazer starter had career years in rebounding (look it up). Even TT's soft ass averaged double digits for the first time.

We were 2nd in the West at one point, and I think 3rd in the league when Wesley tore his Achilles.
 
Hoopguru said:
Isn't Hinkie the one that had Philly tank for years on end?
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Exactly. The continued to tank after he left tho.

I'm just wondering why anyone would want the guy. What's he done besides tank?
 
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oldmangrouch said:
Not trying to be snarky - but what is Olshey actually that good at?

Payroll/cap management? Nope
Draft? Hit-or-miss. He either hires mediocre scouts, or he has good scouts he doesn't listen to. I find him way too willing to trade his picks, but YMMV.
Free agency? His star acquisition is Turner. He can't hide behind the "no cap space" argument, as he is the one responsible for that.
Trades? Outside of Nurk, what trade has he made that had a major, positive impact?

I guess you can say he is a decent dumpster-diver....but that isn't much to hang his hat on. Stauskas and Curry haven't really made an impact. Davis and Vonleh are already gone. Aminu is being asked to take on way too big of a role and will likely be gone next year.
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If we place all the blame for the failures during Neil’s time I am fine with that. That also means he gets all the credit for any good thing. He drafted Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum and got Nurk and a pick for Plumlee. He got Mo for nothing. He drafted Will Barton when no one thought he was going to be good coming out of college. So I would say he drafts well. He as you said dumpster dives well which this team needs. He revamped the practice facility - he played a major role and made sure the place was a location players wanted to hang out in. I’ve been there a few times and it’s awesome. It’s top notch. Again - he has failed and made mistakes. No question. My thing is they should add to the current team not blow it up.
 
dviss1 said:
When Neil traded a bowl of steam for Robin Lopez, every Blazer starter had career years in rebounding (look it up). Even TT's soft ass averaged double digits for the first time.
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The Stotts system inflates stats at non-Forward positions. Once Lopez and Plumlee left, they settled back into reality.
 
dviss1 said:
Exactly. The continued to tank after he left tho.

I'm just wondering why anyone would want the guy. What's he fine besides tank?
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Im happy for Elton Brand!
Always seemed like a good guy and he deserved his shot more than Colangelo did, Colangelo always came off as taking credit for everyone else’ work and lucky that his Dad was rich and well connected.
 
Here's my kind of random idea for an ex-player who I think would rep portland well (he always has), Ime Udoka. He's been in the spurs system for a long time. I think of him more of a coach than an GM type role, but if the Blazers could pry him away to Portland in some capacity I'd be in favor of that.
 
dviss1 said:
Please remind me why he got fired in Philly?



I was on the Billups bandwagon until I heard him talking at Summer League.

Hinke is intriguing. I'll do more research on him.

I really don't know...
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Nah, Hinkie would trade Dame for peanuts.
 
dviss1 said:
Please remind me why he got fired in Philly?



I was on the Billups bandwagon until I heard him talking at Summer League.

Hinke is intriguing. I'll do more research on him.

I really don't know...
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Go read that novel "resignation letter" he wrote after leaving the 76ers. The guy is insane.
 
calvin natt said:
If we place all the blame for the failures during Neil’s time I am fine with that. That also means he gets all the credit for any good thing. He drafted Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum and got Nurk and a pick for Plumlee. He got Mo for nothing. He drafted Will Barton when no one thought he was going to be good coming out of college. So I would say he drafts well. He as you said dumpster dives well which this team needs. He revamped the practice facility - he played a major role and made sure the place was a location players wanted to hang out in. I’ve been there a few times and it’s awesome. It’s top notch. Again - he has failed and made mistakes. No question. My thing is they should add to the current team not blow it up.
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The organization had pretty much made up their mind on Dame though, and he read the obvious pick. So was McCollum. At 16 and 17 years old, those were my #1 options at that point in the draft (of course, I wanted Meyers at #11 too, but oh well). Many fans wanted the same guys. If you cant be better at being a GM than you're average fan, then that's not a good look.

He had a good find in Barton but obviously didnt believe in him enough to not trade him and a pick away for a half-year rental.

Since June of 2013 (4 and a half years ago), he's done nothing good other than trade for Plumlee for Nurkic and a pick.
 
BonesJones said:
The organization had pretty much made up their mind on Dame though, and he read the obvious pick. So was McCollum. At 16 and 17 years old, those were my #1 options at that point in the draft (of course, I wanted Meyers at #11 too, but oh well). Many fans wanted the same guys. If you cant be better at being a GM than you're average fan, then that's not a good look.

He had a good find in Barton but obviously didnt believe in him enough to not trade him and a pick away for a half-year rental.

Since June of 2013 (4 and a half years ago), he's done nothing good other than trade for Plumlee for Nurkic and a pick.
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not only had the Blazers identified Lillard as a primary target, it was Chad Buchannen, IIRC, who traded for that 6th pick with Brooklyn. Dame was gift-wrapped for Olshey

and as for the Plumlee for Nurkic deal, there's some substantial circumstantial evidence that Olshey was ready to pull the trigger on a Plumlee for Jahlil Okafor deal till Denver ponied up that 20th pick. If the Nuggets hadn't done that, it's a pretty good chance Portland wouldn't have Nurkic and Collins. That trade kept Olshey afloat and it's entirely possible he stumbled into it
 
Really people?

I think it is extreme hindsight to say that Lillard was the obvious choice. He would've went higher than 6th if that was the case. For most people (of course there are exceptions) they only started to believe in Lillard as the pick after it became obvious that is who the Blazers were targeting. In fact some people actually believed that Kendall Marshall would be the better PG.

Then when it came time to pick most people weren't expecting Harrison Barnes to still be available either. There was also Andre Drummond who could've been taken there and we needed a C just as bad as a PG because JJ Hickson was our starting C that following year. You can say it was a logical pick but to call it obvious or a no-brainer isn't remembering the situation fully.
 
There is literally nothing more annoying than finding reasons to not give someone credit for things and then quickly assigning blame. It is so hypocritical. Unless you are IN THE ROOM you don’t know.
 
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